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Look at the Patriots (what do they know?).  Last year they took a RB in the 1st round and they took another in the 3rd this year.  They rode the run game heavily late last year.  It is possible that it is transitioning to a balanced offense league as defenses may have over-corrected to pass heavy offenses.

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20 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I dunno what "run first" means exactly, but Seasnakes and Ravens tend to break about even on rush attempts vs pass attemps, or even rush a bit more than they pass.

Seasnakes have won and played in a SB and had consistent playoff appearances 6 of last 7 seasons (looks like success might be fading though?)

Ravens won a SB what, 7 years ago? and prior to that enjoyed good success with a rush-heavy offense.

 

A number of teams would never be described as "run first" but they noticeably improve their success when they balance their passing attack with a better rushing game.  Rams, N'Orleans, and Da Bears would all be  examples.

 

It's been said that a successful rushing attack is a young QB's best friend, and I do believe it.  So I hope our plan is balance.  Somewhere between 45% - 48% rush attempts/(rush+pass) would be about right.

 

 

I'll wait to discuss a change in philosophy to becoming a passing team, when it's seen to be changed.

One can find equal evidence that we're trying to upgrade our rush game as well.

i am more excited than i've been since the sb years. we have got the horses up front and with bobbie johnson, hopefully they'll jell quickly. we are loaded at rb and looking at the wr corp they built, we could have the best show on tundra.  brown / beasley,jones /duke / foster. i hope they keep 7 with mckenzie and sills making the roster. WE ARE BUILT TO SCORE!

 

add to that...knox / kroft and croom. i think sweeney becomes our next nick oleary and i don't see fisher making the cut.

 

and our defense should be giving us the chance to be on the offense a lot. i believe daboll is gonna unleash some stuff that is gonna be unstoppable!

 

edit: i know my math was off with wrs, but the first 5 and roberts are a lock so we'll have to wait and see....

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22 hours ago, VW82 said:

FWIW I think this is probably smart. We gave up a king's ransom to draft Allen, and even though there have been some giant red flags to date he clearly has talent.

 

There has been lots of talk about the new receiver group and how that will help, but the new Oline is really well built to pass protect (and not as much to run block). Morse and Ford, in particular, are well above average pass protectors, though perhaps not as great in the running game. Singletary adds a jolt of excitement to our RB group but the main guys are well past their prime and the overall talent level at this stage isn't something we can probably lean on.

 

There's going to be a lot of pressure on the passing game to take a big step forward this year. McBeane appear to have designed it that way. Buffalo usually builds with their run game in mind as you need to be able to get tough yards in Dec/Jan when the weather turns.

 

Was it smart to build our offense this way or should we have gone after road graders and a world class RB to pair with Allen, and take pressure off him using play action? Overall I like what we've done and I think the change in team building strategy is interesting.  

 

Edited the title so it doesn't sound so negative.

 

I will believe it when I see it. However the OL signing (all solid pass blockers) have me hopeful that we will finally see a Modern NFL Offense in Buffalo. 

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7 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

This, and apologies for the long post.

 

We all hear it is a passing league, but a solid run game is still essential and NE put on a clinic last year that a strong run game coupled with short possession passing can still be pretty effective - added bonus of preserving Brady's 40+ year old noodle arm while keeping that other team's high-flying offense cooling their heels on the sideline too. Their defense, like ours was also good at limiting opponent TOP and creating turnovers.

 

They rushed for 1st downs an average of 131 to opponents 93, passing attempt for 1st down averages were too close to call which tells you that NE was able to possess the ball and run more rushing plays on average than their opponents. Now their average rushing plays (and this is where the contrast with the rest of the league can be seen) NE rushed 478 times while the average for the rest of the league was 367. Sony Michel was their workhorse for most of that. Passing they only attempted 574 to the league average of 605, BUT NE completed 378 to the league average of 370. So on average teams try 30 or so passes more than NE, but they have nearly 40 more fall incomplete. They were 10+ in turnover ratio. 

 

Not to be Captain Ahab tilting at whales with my NE comparisons, but it seemed fitting when folks get so enamored with high flying offenses that you look at the team that has been able to bring those teams down and learn something from that.

 

Running the ball is still effective strategy, but you have to keep the sticks moving and maintain possession of the ball (as one can see with the increased number of plays on average NE was able to run). They are efficient in the passing game having far fewer passes fall incomplete, but not in the traditional sense of having a clear #1 WR diva-type that some on this board seems so determined to find; rather the ball is spread around to guys who do not drop it with the average yards around 15 - Gordon was their guy for stretching the field but only by a bit... note White who had the most reception but averaged 8.6 yards - evidence of that short possession game that the coaches want Allen to master over time.

 

James White 87 751 8.6 42 7
Julian Edelman 74 850 11.5 36 6
Rob Gronkowski 47 682 14.5 42 3
Josh Gordon 40 720 18.0 55 3
Chris Hogan 35 532 15.2 63 3

 

All this being said I don't think there should be any specific offensive philosophy the Bills fall into, rather being proficient running and passing and tailoring game plans for the next opponent. The only guiding principal that I think they stay committed to is working strategies into the game plan to wean Allen away a bit from the "hero ball" he plays to leaning a bit more on his team mates. That means having some patience with the short high-percentage game and working the running game that did not exist last year. 

 

This does not mean that Allen will not take his deep shots, if he sees Brown or Foster singled up or uncovered he is going to use his cannon arm - as he should. His arm strength is an advantage that the Bills should not ignore. Also does not mean that Allen will not take off some times, he was pretty dangerous with his legs and gradually was learning to head for the sidelines or slide to avoid the big hits. If a defense gives up 15 yards of green in front of them, Allen is going to take off (and should) if he is confident he can get a 1st down or more.

 

More effective balance in our offense (rushes and short high-% passes) less turnovers or "3 and outs", just means it is going to be a nightmare for defensive coordinators to game plan the Bills. Of course we also need a defense that does not bend so much that teams can simply eat up the clock moving slowly down the field keeping our offense off the field (the flaw of that bend-don't-break nonsense) - statistically we have a very good defense, but teams with a good rushing attacks were able to move the sticks on us while we feasted on teams with poor offensive lines and passing attacks. I think those feasting games inflated our defensive averages and ranking enough to create some misleading assumptions. Lastly the wild card that cost us a few games where the offense and defense played tough, we need a Special Teams unit that can kick the ball, notch field goals when needed, cover to protect field position, or tilt field position a bit in our favor which was largely missing last year. 

 

A lot needs to come together this year and not just the offense, and maybe Vegas is right, but they lean on metrics so much and can be blind to teams that are on the crux of breaking out. The Bills could be that team this year and I can't wait to see what the coaching staff is able to do.

 

 

 

 

wow...good job and i think they built this roster to do exactly what you said. daboll will game plan week to week ...opponent to opponent. when we need to rely on the run we will be able to do so and against guys like greggo....bombs away.

 

fwiw, greggo may be satan when it comes to a headhunting defense, but last year he led the league in giving up the biggest chunk plays.  everything i see so far tells me these guys are planning their roster by looking at who they'll be playing. for once we have some active brain cells running this team. thank God.

 

i am expecting 10-6/11-5  ed oliver is gonna be dpoy! 

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On 5/10/2019 at 9:20 PM, VW82 said:

FWIW I think this is probably smart. We gave up a king's ransom to draft Allen, and even though there have been some giant red flags to date he clearly has talent.

 

There has been lots of talk about the new receiver group and how that will help, but the new Oline is really well built to pass protect (and not as much to run block). Morse and Ford, in particular, are well above average pass protectors, though perhaps not as great in the running game. Singletary adds a jolt of excitement to our RB group but the main guys are well past their prime and the overall talent level at this stage isn't something we can probably lean on.

 

There's going to be a lot of pressure on the passing game to take a big step forward this year. McBeane appear to have designed it that way. Buffalo usually builds with their run game in mind as you need to be able to get tough yards in Dec/Jan when the weather turns.

 

Was it smart to build our offense this way or should we have gone after road graders and a world class RB to pair with Allen, and take pressure off him using play action? Overall I like what we've done and I think the change in team building strategy is interesting.  

 

Edited the title so it doesn't sound so negative.

 

Considering the run blocker we drafted and the no WRs we drafted i would say we are building around the run game.

 

 

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13 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Considering the run blocker we drafted and the no WRs we drafted i would say we are building around the run game.

 

 

 

..I would say this will be a highly diversified offense....only the bloviating Wrecks was dumb enough to publicly advertise "we will be ground and pound".....Daboll (at least on paper so far) has no excuses about lacking talent......he had better be creative and display ability to make quick, in-game adjustments as necessary....depending on what the opposition gives us, 60/40 run/pass works for openers against that opponent.....OR....40/60 run/pass if that is what they'll potentially give us.....take away the long ball and we'll beat you underneath...take away underneath and I think (COUGH) we have a QB who may be able to throw the long ball....stack the box to negate our run game and our passing game has the ability to extract a pound of flesh...one thing I will ABSOLUTELY loathe is if we start playing "turtle ball" once we get the lead....BAD things happen....stay tuned....

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17 hours ago, Logic said:


I wouldn't say "all", but then again, you're ScottLaw, so I'm not surprised that you would. If you're going to ding them for their failures (KB, Peterman, Vlad Ducasse, Anquan Boldin), its only fair to also give them props for their successes. That's called objectivity. And you know what ? Their offenses have been generally poor overall in season 1 and season 2. Let's just put that right out front. It still seems only fair/reasonable, though, to weigh the hits with the misses.

Dion Dawkins is a pretty good tackle. Not elite, but pretty darn good. And after they saw that Andre Holmes and KB weren't working out at WR, and that Allen functioned better with WRs who got better separation, they quickly course corrected and brought up Robert Foster and brought in Ian McKenzie. Now they've also brought in John Brown and Cole Beasley, and while the jury is still out on those two, the odds of them being "flops" seems low, since they're already proven as worthy contributors in this league. Mitch Morse looks unlikely to be a flop, too. And as you stated, Josh Allen seems so far to have been a good decision.

While this staff has made mistakes, they have also been quick to own those mistakes and fix them. Rick Dennison? Not so good, gone after one year. KB and Holmes? Not getting it done, gone and replaced with younger, speedier options. The o-line? Wasn't cutting it, so they signed 6,000 o-linemen (including the best center on the market) and drafted a 1st round caliber offensive tackle.

Robert Foster's a big one that they should get credit for, too, by the way. They basically got #1 or, at worst, #2 WR production out of a rookie UDFA receiver. They found him, acquired him, coached him up on the practice squad, and brought him up to the main roster. He was a game changer down the stretch. That's big. The ability to find that type of game breaking talent in undrafted free agency should count for something.

If you're going to bring up the bad, you should bring up the good, too. Otherwise you're just being a real ScottLaw.

I meant to say basically all their offensive moves last offseason have been flops.

 

For the most part, all of their offensive decisions have been. And as I said, Allen looks like the best decision they made although still early. 

 

Dawkins had a strong rookie year and struggled big time last year. Mills was better than him and he has been the TBD whipping boy on the OLine for several years now and is a borderline starter in this league.  Too early to say if Dawkins is a "good" tackle. 

 

They got lucky with Foster but give them credit for sticking with him and hopefully he doesn't flame out. 

 

Give em credit for admitting the bad right away, but my point was the bad far outweighs the good to this point with their offensive decisions. 

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15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I meant to say basically all their offensive moves last offseason have been flops.

 

For the most part, all of their offensive decisions have been. And as I said, Allen looks like the best decision they made although still early. 

 

Dawkins had a strong rookie year and struggled big time last year. Mills was better than him and he has been the TBD whipping boy on the OLine for several years now and is a borderline starter in this league.  Too early to say if Dawkins is a "good" tackle. 

 

They got lucky with Foster but give them credit for sticking with him and hopefully he doesn't flame out. 

 

Give em credit for admitting the bad right away, but my point was the bad far outweighs the good to this point with their offensive decisions. 

 

your opinion which I will respect (how this place is SUPPOSED to work) but we WIDELY differ.......they had too many fronts on which to fight wars with limited resources and being strapped....water over the dam....substantial gains (at least so far on paper) have been made in 2019 with FA signings, draftees and coaching changes...aggressive to say the least.....will it work?...who knows...do they deserve preliminary credit for addressing offensive weaknesses?...damn right IMO......"bad outweighs the good at this point " is grossly unfounded IMO, but your choice....

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16 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Considering the run blocker we drafted and the no WRs we drafted i would say we are building around the run game.

 

 

 

Statistically Ford was a better pass protector than run blocker, though let’s hope he’s just a stud period. I think he was 4th overall for draft prospects in lowest number of pressures given up per snap last year.

 

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, we paid wrs in FA, with the Beasley signing being the most notable as he typically plays in the slot. That tells me we probably plan on rolling with more three wr sets, and less full back. Whether we run or pass, we’ll be doing it more from passing formations.

 

The Gore signing is another clue. For an old guy,  he’s still pretty adept at picking up the blitz and catching out of the backfield even if he isn’t a 20 touch guy anymore. 

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14 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

your opinion which I will respect (how this place is SUPPOSED to work) but we WIDELY differ.......they had too many fronts on which to fight wars with limited resources and being strapped....water over the dam....substantial gains (at least so far on paper) have been made in 2019 with FA signings, draftees and coaching changes...aggressive to say the least.....will it work?...who knows...do they deserve preliminary credit for addressing offensive weaknesses?...damn right IMO......"bad outweighs the good at this point " is grossly unfounded IMO, but your choice....

Well it's not really arguable.

 

They tore down a formidable offense who was 10th(technically 7th before Tyrod was benched for Manual in week 17)in scorinng in 2016 and  were responsible for a substantial drop to 22nd in 2017 and 30th in 2018 when McDermott took over. 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Well it's not really arguable.

 

They tore down a formidable offense who was 10th(technically 7th before Tyrod was benched for Manual in week 17)in scorinng in 2016 and  were responsible for a substantial drop to 22nd in 2017 and 30th in 2018 when McDermott took over. 

 

 

 

...which is where we differ and I'm fine with that....we're good IMO......

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On 5/11/2019 at 2:31 PM, K-9 said:

Per the bold text, what do you imagine McD’s role is in creating the offensive game plan? How do you envision his discussions with Daboll unfold on a week to week basis? 

 

I take it you're one of those who thinks McD is telling Daboll to do whatever the heck he wants to do regardless of their defensive plan.  Correct?

 

McD is aligning what they're doing on offense with defense.  He's not telling the OC go with a pass first attack that risks more 3 and outs which places the defense on the field more.  

 

How hard is it to understand both sides of the ball are related to HCs like McD?  And, is it that difficult to understand McD isn't all of a sudden gonna be a pass first guy?  

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7 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

I take it you're one of those who thinks McD is telling Daboll to do whatever the heck he wants to do regardless of their defensive plan.  Correct?

 

McD is aligning what they're doing on offense with defense.  He's not telling the OC go with a pass first attack that risks more 3 and outs which places the defense on the field more.  

 

How hard is it to understand both sides of the ball are related to HCs like McD?  And, is it that difficult to understand McD isn't all of a sudden gonna be a pass first guy?  

Pretty obnoxious response to an honest question. Maybe you need to put a little cream in your coffee?

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4 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Pretty obnoxious response to an honest question. Maybe you need to put a little cream in your coffee?

 

You think that's obnoxious?  I tone it down on Mother's Day.  

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6 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

You think that's obnoxious?  I tone it down on Mother's Day.  

I think if you default to such belittling comments at what appeared to be an honest question from someone who was asking your opinion, you'll likely get fewer people interested in your opinions.

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18 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I meant to say basically all their offensive moves last offseason have been flops.

 

For the most part, all of their offensive decisions have been. And as I said, Allen looks like the best decision they made although still early. 

 

Dawkins had a strong rookie year and struggled big time last year. Mills was better than him and he has been the TBD whipping boy on the OLine for several years now and is a borderline starter in this league.  Too early to say if Dawkins is a "good" tackle. 

 

They got lucky with Foster but give them credit for sticking with him and hopefully he doesn't flame out. 

 

Give em credit for admitting the bad right away, but my point was the bad far outweighs the good to this point with their offensive decisions. 

 

 

 

Don't you get tired repeating the same old nonsense again and again?

 

You say that "basically all their offensive moves last offseason have been flops," and that's clearly and absolutely wrong. The problem wasn't that they made a lot of bad decisions on offense. The problem was that they put very few resources into the offense due to the horrible cap situation they have now fought their way through. They brought in a bunch of guys at very low cost and many to most of those guys played pretty well for how little they were paid.

 

As you point out, Foster was a great move. Leaving Allen out of it, there were a bunch more good ones. They signed Derek Anderson, he worked out well and cheap. They should have brought him in sooner, as they have already admitted, but it was a good move, as was Barkley for almost nothing. They drafted Dawkins, and he looks very good so far. Teller looked excellent for a 5th rounder, though he may not even make the team with how much they have

 

Bodine was cheap and without him Groy would have made the O-line look considerably worse than they finally did. Isaiah McKenzie was a terrific pickup for $555 K for the year. He traded for Jordan Matthews who unluckily got injured but has been on rosters since and performed decently. Philly took him right back when they had the chance. He's been signed by SF for next year for a bit more than the Bills paid for him for his injured year.

 

Croom did very well for a guy we’re paying $480K for. Ivory did a solid job for his $1M salary. Marcus Murphy was a real bargain for a guy making $630K. Sirles looked good for a $650K guy. Other than Allen, who they bent their drafts around, they went heavily defense those first two years.

 

Are there no huge successes there? Yeah, that's correct, but it's largely because they simply didn't put almost any resources towards the offense.

 

Did they make some bad decisions? Yeah, absolutely. More solid and good ones worth the very small amounts of money they were paid, though.

 

Now that they've got money they're obviously handling things in a totally different way this year.

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17 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Well it's not really arguable.

 

They tore down a formidable offense who was 10th(technically 7th before Tyrod was benched for Manual in week 17)in scorinng in 2016 and  were responsible for a substantial drop to 22nd in 2017 and 30th in 2018 when McDermott took over.

 

 

 

 

It's very arguable.

 

That 2016 offense was in no way "formidable." They just weren't. Not that bad? Yeah, fair enough.

 

They were 16th in the league in yards. And yards are how you measure an offense, separating their performance from the rest of the team. That offense was average, at best. Did they get worse the next two years? Yup, that's what happens when you rebuild ... worse yet when you rebuild with a horrible cap situation. They traded Sammy Watkins to save cap and get build up draft capital to bring in a QB. They traded Cordy Glenn for the same reasons. They cut Tyrod to save cap, and there was a bunch more.

 

Scoring is much more how you measure the team as a whole, as scoring depends a whole ton on field position where you receive the ball. In scoring offense, if you get the ball on the one after a long kickoff return and just barely manage to squeeze it in on fourth down ... even if you lost 28 yards and kick a field goal ... the offense looks good. Hell, in 2016, the Bills defense had a pick-six and two TD fumble runbacks. Only a slowcoach would think that means the offense was good, but if you look at scoring that's exactly how it presents itself. Three extra TDs ... way to go offense for the cheering on the pick six and the runbacks. Totally made the difference.

 

The other units were a lot of the reason they scored a bunch in 2016. The offense got the 11th best field position overall in terms of their drive starts. Made so few yards that they consistently put the defense in bad field position to start drives, 23rd in the league to be specific. Few turnovers per drive. That, the offense did well, but they weren't all that productive. Pretty much average.

 

 

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8 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

I take it you're one of those who thinks McD is telling Daboll to do whatever the heck he wants to do regardless of their defensive plan.  Correct?

 

McD is aligning what they're doing on offense with defense.  He's not telling the OC go with a pass first attack that risks more 3 and outs which places the defense on the field more.  

 

How hard is it to understand both sides of the ball are related to HCs like McD?  And, is it that difficult to understand McD isn't all of a sudden gonna be a pass first guy?  

No, I’m not one of those that thinks McD is giving total autonomy to Daboll. Not at all. Was just interested in getting your perspective on how a weekly game plan is assembled, by whom, and how you think those discussions unfold. 

 

While I could offer my own insights, I’ll just say that the level of HC involvement on either side of the ball varies greatly from team to team and coach to coach. I honestly don’t know where McD lands on the spectrum. When it comes to assembling game plans, the process usually involves input from a myriad of people in the building. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

Don't you get tired repeating the same old nonsense again and again?

 

You say that "basically all their offensive moves last offseason have been flops," and that's clearly and absolutely wrong. The problem wasn't that they made a lot of bad decisions on offense. The problem was that they put very few resources into the offense due to the horrible cap situation they have now fought their way through. They brought in a bunch of guys at very low cost and many to most of those guys played pretty well for how little they were paid.

 

As you point out, Foster was a great move. Leaving Allen out of it, there were a bunch more good ones. They signed Derek Anderson, he worked out well and cheap. They should have brought him in sooner, as they have already admitted, but it was a good move, as was Barkley for almost nothing. They drafted Dawkins, and he looks very good so far. Teller looked excellent for a 5th rounder, though he may not even make the team with how much they have

 

Bodine was cheap and without him Groy would have made the O-line look considerably worse than they finally did. Isaiah McKenzie was a terrific pickup for $555 K for the year. He traded for Jordan Matthews who unluckily got injured but has been on rosters since and performed decently. Philly took him right back when they had the chance. He's been signed by SF for next year for a bit more than the Bills paid for him for his injured year.

 

Croom did very well for a guy we’re paying $480K for. Ivory did a solid job for his $1M salary. Marcus Murphy was a real bargain for a guy making $630K. Sirles looked good for a $650K guy. Other than Allen, who they bent their drafts around, they went heavily defense those first two years.

 

Are there no huge successes there? Yeah, that's correct, but it's largely because they simply didn't put almost any resources towards the offense.

 

Did they make some bad decisions? Yeah, absolutely. More solid and good ones worth the very small amounts of money they were paid, though.

 

Now that they've got money they're obviously handling things in a totally different way this year.

Talk about reaching.

 

Derek Anderson? While better than Nate Peterman(how hard is that?) he was still bad and looked like the old ma he is out there.

 

Marcus ***** Murphy? 😂 Croom? These are fringe NFL players. How are you giving a GM credit for these type of players???

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

It's very arguable.

 

That 2016 offense was in no way "formidable." They just weren't. Not that bad? Yeah, fair enough.

 

They were 16th in the league in yards. And yards are how you measure an offense, separating their performance from the rest of the team. That offense was average, at best. Did they get worse the next two years? Yup, that's what happens when you rebuild ... worse yet when you rebuild with a horrible cap situation. They traded Sammy Watkins to save cap and get build up draft capital to bring in a QB. They traded Cordy Glenn for the same reasons. They cut Tyrod to save cap, and there was a bunch more.

 

Scoring is much more how you measure the team as a whole, as scoring depends a whole ton on field position where you receive the ball. In scoring offense, if you get the ball on the one after a long kickoff return and just barely manage to squeeze it in on fourth down ... even if you lost 28 yards and kick a field goal ... the offense looks good. Hell, in 2016, the Bills defense had a pick-six and two TD fumble runbacks. Only a slowcoach would think that means the offense was good, but if you look at scoring that's exactly how it presents itself. Three extra TDs ... way to go offense for the cheering on the pick six and the runbacks. Totally made the difference.

 

The other units were a lot of the reason they scored a bunch in 2016. The offense got the 11th best field position overall in terms of their drive starts. Made so few yards that they consistently put the defense in bad field position to start drives, 23rd in the league to be specific. Few turnovers per drive. That, the offense did well, but they weren't all that productive. Pretty much average.

 

 

The other units?

 

They had one pick 6 and one fumble return against the Rams and Jets very early in the year, outside of that the defense did absolutely no favors to the offense. They were awful. In fact I think they forced the least amount of turnovers for a defense that year. 

 

The 2016 offense was slightly above average I'd say.... still a lot better than what we've seen with McBeane in charge the past two years. 

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This is the deal... Dawkins and Ford are maulers... Morse is not a Maulers but can basically do what Wood did. Nsekhe can provide enough and same with Waddle. Long is a backup. Feliciano is a mauler and has very heavy feet so he'll get exposed I pass pro. Spain can get to a spot and shield... hes big but he doesn't have great core strength and he's not going to maul guys. Teller I think has some mauler I him and has the most upside on the interior. 

 

 

That's the deal.

 

Nsekhe-Dawkins-Morse-Ford-Waddle 

For president.

 

Mike drop.

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Our WR corpse [sic] is still a huge question mark.  Perhaps improved on paper, but not one of these guys is a true #1.  We got blocking TE's out the ying.  We drafted Warrick Dunn.  Bills be runnin' da football a lot, mon!

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