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Joe Marino (Locked on Bills): Two names he is hearing in 1st for Bills: Jonah Williams, DK Metcalf

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29 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

That is why I don't buy it, last year everything was very close to the vest and nothing seems to leak from OBD.

 

You cannot rule him out though as he does fit the "athleticism" and potential that we went for last year in RD1 (very high ceiling and an outstanding athletic profile). 

They have been pretty good with leaks. But all the Josh Allen smoke last year was much more than a lot of lucky guesses imo. There were media members who specifically said they knew the Bills were all in on Allen. 

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2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I personally think Jonah W is worth the 9th pick and Metcalf is a risk at 9. But there is a ton of smoke on metcalf to Bills. Can’t ignore that. I tried to ignore the smoke on Allen last year but it was all true.

 

Wouldn't mind the Alabama O-lineman at #9... there are actually a couple of other tackles who'd be fine there as well.  I'd also be OK with the Bills taking Metcalf... only with pick #40 rather than #9... and he could potentially fall that far.  Then again, there always seems to be a least one team that completely ignores 2 or 3 seasons of game film... and goes with the numbers from the combine.

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52 minutes ago, dlonce said:

The notion that anyone inside the Bills is going to allude to who they are drafting is absurd.

 

Any name dropping at this point is fodder. Also, there’s no way the Bills are using 9 to draft Metcalf.

 

How many guys had Edmunds going to the Bills last year? I’d say there’s a better chance the Bills trade up this year to get who they really desire.

Allen was linked to the Bills though by many.

Thursday can’t come quick enough.

 

So...

 

No one can possibly know...But there is no way they are taking DK?...Even though no one inside will ever let the info out?...

 

I will tell you this...DK is being dinged by people who either A) Did not bother to watch him, dig in and grind, and are over-concentrated on cone drill times...Or...B) People who watched him and don't know what the hell they are watching, or refuse to consider the many, many factors that contributed to what they are watching...

 

Translation...Do not take my word...I know for certain The Draft Network is stacked with Scouts that DO watch...Multiple games..They understand the nuances of the position...They know what they are seeing and they also know the areas where a prospect can improve through NFL Coaching...DK is the #5 overall Prospect on their consensus board...That can't be overstated...The Bills pick 9th...He's a top 5 prospect on many boards...he's CLEAN off the field...He's dedicated and LOVES football...He's a massively hard worker...He's unassuming but super confident...He's 100% a process-type prospect...100%...That is not to say whatsoever that he is a finished project...Or even close to being finished...But anyone  who thinks there are all these things DK cannot do, outside of being a cat-quick Cole Beasley type of slot ...They are just flat wrong...

 

I agree no one knows...I completely disagree that DK is not fully in the conversation at #9 overall...They may very well go another way...But he's in the conversation...😎

 

This is 4 different Scouting Reports on DK...4 different sets of eyes...1 basic conclusion...Stud...https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/d-k-metcalf

 

 

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1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Who was the last “plug and play 10 year pro bowler” available at 9? That isn’t how it works. He has some questions (arm length and athleticism) which make him an option at 9. He isn’t a flawless prospect by any stretch. Williams is an option at 9 but he is absolutely not a “plug and play 10 year pro bowler.” He’s closer to Jake Matthews as a prospect than Quentin Nelson. He’s a guy with a ton of experience that is a safe option. He will be a good player but he isn’t changing the landscape of anyone’s team. That last part, is, in many ways why he’s not an inspiring pick. The DL, or even Hock or Metcalf COULD transform this team. 

 Fine! Agree to disagree. I’ll bet that if either one of us did some research we would find more than a few players were drafted at nine to fit that category. But, that’s actually besides the point. It proves nothing. It’s a relevant.The only question is about the current draft. That’s the only context that is significant here. At nine I would definitely take him over Metcalf if those were the best two options available.

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46 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think Mike Williams is a great comparison. Chargers looked at him as a future #1 due to some dominant traits who would be able to grow alongside KA.

 

There were rumblings a while ago that Allen wants Metcalf as well. I think you have to take that into consideration if you are the FO. They put him in a **** situation last year. McDermott has shown an ability to scheme differently when the run defense becomes a liability. We need guys getting open for Allen more than anything else on the team. Whether drafting an OL or WR will accomplish that can be debated, but IMO we only have a bunch of high-end WR3s right now.

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42 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

 

I agree.  I think the OL only has 1 starter at this point and that is Morse.  I don't think Dawkins spot at LT is safe, especially after showing up looking like ButterBean

 

Strange... almost all of the analysis I've read on the Bills free agent signings strongly disagrees with you. I'm guessing they cobble together a pretty good O-line... even if they don't draft anyone that plays there.

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People are going to lose their minds if we take Metcalf at 9 but I love the gamble and the belief that they can coach him up.

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14 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

 Fine! Agree to disagree. I’ll bet that if either one of us did some research we would find more than a few players were drafted at nine to fit that category. But, that’s actually besides the point. It proves nothing. It’s a relevant.The only question is about the current draft. That’s the only context that is significant here. At nine I would definitely take him over Metcalf if those were the best two options available.

Sure, there are perennial pro-bowlers drafted there (and even later). The point is they weren’t surefire, decade long pro-bowlers, prior to the draft. They all had some holes which made them fall. Guys that are absolute, can’t miss stars, don’t see pick 9. That’s guys like Andrew Luck, AJ Green, Orlando Pace, Patrick Peterson, etc..

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Just now, FeelingOnYouboty said:

People are going to lose their minds if we take Metcalf at 9 but I love the gamble and the belief that they can coach him up.

 

Yep...😎

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3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

They have been pretty good with leaks. But all the Josh Allen smoke last year was much more than a lot of lucky guesses imo. There were media members who specifically said they knew the Bills were all in on Allen. 

 

Allbright is tuned in and he nailed Allen and plenty of other moves. I think he was first, how often does the other media actually hear to from the same source or is borrowing info from someone else who already reported it. This close to the draft, if something new pops up, I truly don't buy it.  

 

Like I said from his athletic profile, he fits the criteria. We tried to trade for AB and who knows where we truly were with OBJ - the signs can easily point WR.

 

Daboll is a wild card. The Pats, they don't have a clear #1; Pats love TEs, Panthers with Olsen,  Pats had Moss. It's tough this year to predict and see what we will do. I think it depends on how the draft falls, if ARZ passes on Murray there will be a rush up to #2 and the Jets and OAK and TB will get a ton of calls. 

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15 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 He will be a good player but he isn’t changing the landscape of anyone’s team. That last part, is, in many ways why he’s not an inspiring pick. The DL, or even Hock or Metcalf COULD transform this team. 

We are in a good place to get a transformational player this year and hopefully we won't be in that position again for a while - strike while the iron is hot and it is easier to maneuver around for said player. Personally no I don't want DK at 9, but I can get behind it with his traits and for his potential to transform this team. This is not the year for a meh, safe option player IMO.

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1 minute ago, Jamie Mueller said:

 

Strange... almost all of the analysis I've read on the Bills free agent signings strongly disagrees with you. I'm guessing they cobble together a pretty good O-line... even if they don't draft anyone that plays there.

IMO it looks like they set out to raise the floor at OL and WR during FA because many of our starters were the worst in the league. There was almost no limit to how bad they could be. I think they want to take those units and turn them into strengths during the draft, but depending on how the chips fall they are in a spot now where they can take BPA regardless of position. In essence, they aren’t letting other teams box them into needing to draft a certain player due to position weakness.

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There are legitimate reasons that BOTH guys make sense for the Bills, and reasons they don't.

DK Metcalf -- The Bills LOVE height/weight/speed guys. They've shown under Beane that they're willing to take big swings on supremely physically gifted players, even if they're high risk. Case in point? Both Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds. While they've made nice additions to the WR corps, adding a guy like Metcalf would really elevate it to the next level. He would also be able to ease into the pros, as the Bills don't immediately need him to be a #1, since they already have a Foster/Brown/Beasley starting trio. On the "reasons they wouldn't take him" list? Beane, McDermott, and Daboll have all said at one time or another that they don't necessarily think you need a "true #1" WR.

Jonah Williams -- McDermott mentioned the o-line as one of the team's "identity position groups". He believes that the offensive line should set the tone for his football team. Obviously, the multitude of offensive linemen the Bills have already brought in show that McDermott is serious about this. Well, with Williams' study habits and work ethic and football IQ, he would set the perfect tone in the OL room and be a leader on day 1. He also, as everyone knows, is a guy that Daboll is already quite familiar with. The Bills have more of an "inside look" at this guy than any other team in the draft. As for "reasons they wouldn't take him", I can think of only one: If they don't believe he can be a tackle in the NFL, they won't take him. I doubt they'd take a guy they view as a guard at 9. I just don't buy that. So if the Bills DO take Jonah Williams, you can darn sure bet they view him as a long term LT or, at worst, RT.

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2 hours ago, dlonce said:

The notion that anyone inside the Bills is going to allude to who they are drafting is absurd.

 

Any name dropping at this point is fodder. Also, there’s no way the Bills are using 9 to draft Metcalf.

 

How many guys had Edmunds going to the Bills last year? I’d say there’s a better chance the Bills trade up this year to get who they really desire.

Allen was linked to the Bills though by many.

Thursday can’t come quick enough.

 

 

Leaks happen. So do smokescreens and polite evasions. But leaks do happen.

 

As for how many guys had Edmunds going to the Bills last year ... the Bills didn't have Edmunds going to the Bills last year, as Beane has said many times. They never ran that scenario.

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4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

We are in a good place to get a transformational player this year and hopefully we won't be in that position again for a while - strike while the iron is hot and it is easier to maneuver around for said player. Personally no I don't want DK at 9, but I can get behind it with his traits and for his potential to transform this team. This is not the year for a meh, safe option player IMO.

I tend to agree. Free Agency raised the quality of starters and in turn the 2 deep. Outside of Morse they didn’t really add any stars. They added good NFL players. This draft is about getting a couple of stars. It’s about getting guys that teams have to gameplan for. Oliver is my 1st choice but it doesn’t look like he will make it. I think pass rush or a skill player is most likely to do that. Metcalf comes with risk but also comes with potential reward. Hockenson is going to be a good and versatile player. Fant in a trade down is a potential match-up problem. The pass rushers both inside and out can have a similar impact. Devin White could make for an ELITE group of young LBs. The Bills have some options. They shouldn’t be looking for another solid starter. Those guys you find in FA.

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Between a blue-chip WR and a blue-chip OL/DL/LB, you take the later all the time.  No team wins a SB because of a "disruptive" WR.  You can win because you have a disruptive OL.   The difference between DK and a WR who is available even in round 3 is not that great, IMO.   The OL/DL "elite" pickings go down after Rd. 1.   IMO

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If the top 8 teams bail on QBs then its likely that Oliver is gone.  Wouldn't be opposed to Jonah, but DK's limited route tree concerns me.   Prefer TJH.....

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This regime has been very stingy at leaking information.  I doubt anyone outside the front office's inner circle knows more than 2-3 weeks ago.

I'm a believer that actions speak louder than words.  And what I've been seeing from One Bills Drive makes me doubt OL or WR at #9.

 

When free agency started last month, Brandon Beane already knew what this draft class looked like.  He and the scouts had been studying it for over 12 months.  He knew which positions were deep.  He knew which positions were strong.  He knew which positions were weak.  And yes, he already had a pretty good idea which 4-5 guys may be BPA at the #9 slot.

 

With that in mind, he signed a whopping SIX offensive linemen - any of whom could end up in the starting lineup.  He signed FOUR wide receivers, including two who are expected to get significant offensive snaps.  He signed TWO potential starting corners to play opposite Tre White.  At the same time, he made absolutely no effort to address the 3-Tech position despite losing Kyle Williams to retirement.  Although he showed clear interest in upgrading the pass rush (specifically Ezekiel Ansah), he never actually signed anyone.  And after releasing Charles Clay, neither of his tight end signings can be considered dependable starters.

 

All signs point to us targeting a DT, TE and Edge rusher in the early rounds. 

 

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36 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If he were a plug and play pro bowler for 10 years he wouldn’t be an option at 9. He isn’t Quentin Nelson. 

 

 

 

Gurley went at #10. Zack Martin at #16. Kuechly at #9. Tyron Smith at #9.

 

They're out there. Not every year but reasonably often.

 

Not sure I see one this year unless Oliver somehow falls.

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2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

I also think both at last one will be there at 12-15 once the Bills slide down and pick up an extra second.

Yep.  I see the Skins trading up for Lock.  Bills take Williams/Dillard at 15.  Trade back into first and grab DK/AJ/Fant/Wilkins in 20s.

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3 hours ago, dlonce said:

The notion that anyone inside the Bills is going to allude to who they are drafting is absurd.

 

Any name dropping at this point is fodder. Also, there’s no way the Bills are using 9 to draft Metcalf.

 

How many guys had Edmunds going to the Bills last year? I’d say there’s a better chance the Bills trade up this year to get who they really desire.

Allen was linked to the Bills though by many.

Thursday can’t come quick enough.

The Bills draft two incredibly raw, but immensely high ceiling players in the first last year. They liked the potential so much they even traded up. Hence why not many people linked Buffalo to Edmunds, it was assumed Edmunds would be going higher than where our second first rounder was.

 

Back to the original point, if you gauge Beane based on last year, its evident a player like Metcalf is exactly the type hed gamble on.

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2 hours ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

The most explosive WR with a run defense that ranks toward the bottom of the league.  BRILLIANT!

The run D REALLY seems to worry you huh?

It was actly kinda funny at first but now id actly like to take a time out and make sure youll be ok if things dont swing your way on Thursday? (Doomsday??) Just asking as a concerned fellow board member!

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29 minutes ago, Logic said:

There are legitimate reasons that BOTH guys make sense for the Bills, and reasons they don't.

DK Metcalf -- The Bills LOVE height/weight/speed guys. They've shown under Beane that they're willing to take big swings on supremely physically gifted players, even if they're high risk. Case in point? Both Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds. While they've made nice additions to the WR corps, adding a guy like Metcalf would really elevate it to the next level. He would also be able to ease into the pros, as the Bills don't immediately need him to be a #1, since they already have a Foster/Brown/Beasley starting trio. On the "reasons they wouldn't take him" list? Beane, McDermott, and Daboll have all said at one time or another that they don't necessarily think you need a "true #1" WR.

Jonah Williams -- McDermott mentioned the o-line as one of the team's "identity position groups". He believes that the offensive line should set the tone for his football team. Obviously, the multitude of offensive linemen the Bills have already brought in show that McDermott is serious about this. Well, with Williams' study habits and work ethic and football IQ, he would set the perfect tone in the OL room and be a leader on day 1. He also, as everyone knows, is a guy that Daboll is already quite familiar with. The Bills have more of an "inside look" at this guy than any other team in the draft. As for "reasons they wouldn't take him", I can think of only one: If they don't believe he can be a tackle in the NFL, they won't take him. I doubt they'd take a guy they view as a guard at 9. I just don't buy that. So if the Bills DO take Jonah Williams, you can darn sure bet they view him as a long term LT or, at worst, RT.

 

Great post. I really hope Metcalf is the pick. Saying that, the Bills have the best intel in the league on Williams. If the Bills take him I will be confident he becomes a franchise LT and if the Bills pass on him I think it’s likely he is only a quality guard.

15 minutes ago, purple haze said:

Yep.  I see the Skins trading up for Lock.  Bills take Williams/Dillard at 15.  Trade back into first and grab DK/AJ/Fant/Wilkins in 20s.

 

I would be shocked if Metcalf fell out of the top 15. I still think he is pretty much a lock for top 10.

24 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

This regime has been very stingy at leaking information.  I doubt anyone outside the front office's inner circle knows more than 2-3 weeks ago.

I'm a believer that actions speak louder than words.  And what I've been seeing from One Bills Drive makes me doubt OL or WR at #9.

 

When free agency started last month, Brandon Beane already knew what this draft class looked like.  He and the scouts had been studying it for over 12 months.  He knew which positions were deep.  He knew which positions were strong.  He knew which positions were weak.  And yes, he already had a pretty good idea which 4-5 guys may be BPA at the #9 slot.

 

With that in mind, he signed a whopping SIX offensive linemen - any of whom could end up in the starting lineup.  He signed FOUR wide receivers, including two who are expected to get significant offensive snaps.  He signed TWO potential starting corners to play opposite Tre White.  At the same time, he made absolutely no effort to address the 3-Tech position despite losing Kyle Williams to retirement.  Although he showed clear interest in upgrading the pass rush (specifically Ezekiel Ansah), he never actually signed anyone.  And after releasing Charles Clay, neither of his tight end signings can be considered dependable starters.

 

All signs point to us targeting a DT, TE and Edge rusher in the early rounds. 

 

 

You could be right. I wouldn’t sleep on the Khalen Saunders and Maxx Crosby predraft visits though, they might address those needs in the third and fourth. 

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3 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

Wouldn't mind Jonah Williams at LG and if Dawkins struggles we bump him out to LT. Miles Sanders in RD2 followed by a trade up for Dalton Risner. Championship. 

What do we do with Spain?

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1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

What do we do with Spain?

Backup.

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