keepthefaith Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: I'll start a Trump lies thread! Too late, just did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: He's not a pathological liar. Isn't that better than Trump's criminal dishonesty? Oh, so you are saying Hillary isn't a Socialist, but all the Dems now are? ? can you please show me the arrest records showing Trump is a criminal? Or Is it in the same drawer as the files that show he colluded with Russia? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Brown Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 6 hours ago, row_33 said: it's hard to dislodge a one term President unless he's a total disaster (Carter) or faced a solid opponent (Papa Bush), not sure James Baker did a thing to help Papa's campaign, it was just as well... Even W won re-election, my only standard was if he really wanted it and could pull off a good acceptance speech at the convention. yes and yes Very hard. It's only been done three times in the last 100 years (Hoover, Carter, Bush Sr.) and they were all during a struggling economy. I don't count Ford because he was never elected president. A reelection loss by Trump would be embarrassing in a booming economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Very hard. It's only been done three times in the last 100 years (Hoover, Carter, Bush Sr.) and they were all during a struggling economy. I don't count Ford because he was never elected president. A reelection loss by Trump would be embarrassing in a booming economy. It would be much more embarrassing for the country if he was "reelected." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: It would be much more embarrassing for the country if he was "reelected." Still haven’t heard your reasoning as to why Hillary lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Still haven’t heard your reasoning as to why Hillary lost. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Still haven’t heard your reasoning as to why Hillary lost. Thanks for asking, because I'd like to write about it. Busy at the moment but I'll give a relatively long reply in a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: Still haven’t heard your reasoning as to why Hillary lost. Such a close election that every factor can be taken as a big thing. So first, what mistakes, in my opinion, did Hillary make: 1) Tim Kane as VP was a huge mistake. The guy is dry white bread. Boring. He brought nothing to the table (Yes, I know Virginia was seen as a battleground, but it's not). VP does matter A LOT, because the Democrats are a wide coalition of groups and people and should have shown that diversity. Not getting the black vote out cost her. A different VP could have accomplished more. 2) She didn't tweet. That's like FDR not using the radio. Trump was masterful in playing the media from twitter and her guns were silent. She could and should have been using it herself to counter his lies, bombast, racism and everything else. Should have been on the attack! Always try and attack! 3) She should have been all over Trump U. It was open fraud. Every other word out of her mouth should have been about the criminal activity he was openly part of. So easy to mock, so easy to attack with, yet she let that all slip away. Fraud! Side note: Hillary was attacked for not campaigning in upper Mississippi valley and all that, but I don't agree with that. She was literally in Arizona trying to capture that now swing state when Comey had his pro-Trump news conference accusing her of using emails. So the FBI damaged her campaign strategy in that way. I'll do the Trump side next 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 President Trump's twitter feed always contains a few nuggets of what will eventually become public - if people care to look at it as more than #OrangeManBad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: President Trump's twitter feed always contains a few nuggets of what will eventually become public - if people care to look at it as more than #OrangeManBad. President Trump's twitter feed contains a lot of bull sh it, too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Such a close election that every factor can be taken as a big thing. So first, what mistakes, in my opinion, did Hillary make: 1) Tim Kane as VP was a huge mistake. The guy is dry white bread. Boring. He brought nothing to the table (Yes, I know Virginia was seen as a battleground, but it's not). VP does matter A LOT, because the Democrats are a wide coalition of groups and people and should have shown that diversity. Not getting the black vote out cost her. A different VP could have accomplished more. 2) She didn't tweet. That's like FDR not using the radio. Trump was masterful in playing the media from twitter and her guns were silent. She could and should have been using it herself to counter his lies, bombast, racism and everything else. Should have been on the attack! Always try and attack! 3) She should have been all over Trump U. It was open fraud. Every other word out of her mouth should have been about the criminal activity he was openly part of. So easy to mock, so easy to attack with, yet she let that all slip away. Fraud! Side note: Hillary was attacked for not campaigning in upper Mississippi valley and all that, but I don't agree with that. She was literally in Arizona trying to capture that now swing state when Comey had his pro-Trump news conference accusing her of using emails. So the FBI damaged her campaign strategy in that way. I'll do the Trump side next Quite simply Hillary pictured herself in some future utopia (dystopia for the rest of us) where anybody away from the coasts did not matter. Her delusions were very evident to middle America. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Such a close election that every factor can be taken as a big thing. So first, what mistakes, in my opinion, did Hillary make: 1) Tim Kane as VP was a huge mistake. The guy is dry white bread. Boring. He brought nothing to the table (Yes, I know Virginia was seen as a battleground, but it's not). VP does matter A LOT, because the Democrats are a wide coalition of groups and people and should have shown that diversity. Not getting the black vote out cost her. A different VP could have accomplished more. 2) She didn't tweet. That's like FDR not using the radio. Trump was masterful in playing the media from twitter and her guns were silent. She could and should have been using it herself to counter his lies, bombast, racism and everything else. Should have been on the attack! Always try and attack! 3) She should have been all over Trump U. It was open fraud. Every other word out of her mouth should have been about the criminal activity he was openly part of. So easy to mock, so easy to attack with, yet she let that all slip away. Fraud! Side note: Hillary was attacked for not campaigning in upper Mississippi valley and all that, but I don't agree with that. She was literally in Arizona trying to capture that now swing state when Comey had his pro-Trump news conference accusing her of using emails. So the FBI damaged her campaign strategy in that way. I'll do the Trump side next Oh she was on the attack. She (and her vocal coastal elite backers) attacked his supporters and those on the right instead of him. THAT is why she lost. It's really that simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Oh she was on the attack. She (and her vocal coastal elite backers) attacked his supporters and those on the right instead of him. THAT is why she lost. It's really that simple. One comment she made that was amplified by Fox and company? Nope. The Russians hacking personal accounts and using the information to maximum affect was a really big factor. Really big! Criminal act by foreign nation to help Trump. Why do the Russians love this guy? Russian propaganda flooding social media was a factor. They love him! The FBI announcing the investigation into nothing was a huge factor. Trump's racist appeal not turning off the "decent" Republican voters who obviously just didn't care about that, or his criminality or incompetence (For shame!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 the last thing i could possibly give a rat's ass about is Tibs analysis of an election it's over!! move on with your life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media,..... — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 30, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 50 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media,..... — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 30, 2019 This time they've got him! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, Hedge said: This time they've got him! Well, that's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: the last thing i could possibly give a rat's ass about is Tibs analysis of an election it's over!! move on with your life. In fairness, he was asked to give his opinion. I respect that he answered. He's completely wrong, of course, but he gave an actual answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 This fact will always be a thorn in the side of those who say the FBI investigation began to protect the election, not to target the political opposition. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 On 5/29/2019 at 11:53 AM, Tiberius said: So which Democrat would you vote for over Trump? Don't dodge the question...again Not a single one. They are all Commies. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: In fairness, he was asked to give his opinion. I respect that he answered. He's completely wrong, of course, but he gave an actual answer. right? the poster whom's schtick you quoted is getting a bit old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, B-Man said: Lots of gems in here -- including Huber revelations (he passed off FISA to focus on Clinton matters). On Foreign Election Interference: CRAWFORD: Right, because its hard to understand why it wasn't taken more seriously (by the Obama administration). BARR: Right. CRAWFORD: Why do you think it was not? BARR: I have no idea. That's one of the things I'm interested in looking at. Surely the response should have been more than just, you know, dangling a confidential informant in front of a peripheral player in the Trump campaign. BARR: (On the dangers of Government spying) It's just as dangerous to the continuation of our self-government and our republican system, republic that we do not allow government power, law enforcement or intelligence power, to play a role in politics, to intrude into politics, and affect elections. There's a tendency that they know better and that, you know, they're there to protect as guardians of the people. That can easily translate into essentially supervening the will of the majority and getting your own way as a government official. Edited May 31, 2019 by Deranged Rhino added quotes 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 40 minutes ago, B-Man said: There's a lot of lawyer-speak and careful word parsing in that interview, but I found this interesting and/or informative: </snip> WILLIAM BARR: Well the inspector general at the department, Mike Horowitz, who you know is a superb government official he has limited powers. He doesn't have the power to compel testimony, he doesn't have the power really to investigate beyond the current cast of characters at the Department of Justice. His ability to get information from former officials or from other agencies outside the department is very limited </snip> WILLIAM BARR: Right, so Huber had originally been asked to take a look at the FISA applications and the electronic surveillance but then he stood back and put that on hold while the Office of Inspector General was conducting its review, which would've been normal for the department. And he was essentially on standby in case Mr. Horowitz referred a matter to him to be handled criminally. So he has not been active on this front in recent months and so Durham is taking over that role. The other issues he's been working on relate to Hillary Clinton. Those are winding down and hopefully we'll be in a position to bring those to fruition </snip> WILLIAM BARR: Because I think the activities were undertaken by a small group at the top which is one of the- probably one of the mistakes that has been made instead of running this as a normal bureau investigation or counterintelligence investigation. It was done by the executives at the senior level. Out of head quarters-- </snip> WILLIAM BARR: Well it's hard to read some of the texts with and not feel that there was gross bias at work and they're appalling. And if the shoe were on the other-- JAN CRAWFORD: Appalling. WILLIAM BARR: Those were appalling. And on their face they were very damning and I think if the shoe was on the other foot we could be hearing a lot about it. If those kinds of discussions were held you know when Obama first ran for office, people talking about Obama in those tones and suggesting that "Oh that he might be a Manchurian candidate for Islam or something like that." You know some wild accusations like that and you had that kind of discussion back and forth, you don't think we would be hearing a lot more about it? </snip> JAN CRAWFORD: So did you ask the president for authority to declassify? WILLIAM BARR: Yes. JAN CRAWFORD: You asked the president? WILLIAM BARR: Yes and also you know, the direction of the intelligence agencies to support our efforts. JAN CRAWFORD: So did you discuss this with the DNI and head of the CIA? WILLIAM BARR: Yes. JAN CRAWFORD: And what's their response? WILLIAM BARR: That they're going to be supportive. </snip> This made me laugh: WILLIAM BARR: Well the media reaction is strange. Normally the media would be interested in letting the sunshine in and finding out what the truth is. And usually the media doesn't care that much about protecting intelligence sources and methods. But I do and I will. </snip> 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 ? 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 This one is giving 10 Downing Street panic attacks: BARR: The use of foreign intelligence capabilities (read: MORE THAN ASSETS LIKE HALPER/MISFUD) and counterintelligence capabilities against an American political campaign to me is unprecedented and it's a serious red line that's been crossed. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Lots of gems in here -- including Huber revelations (he passed off FISA to focus on Clinton matters). On Foreign Election Interference: CRAWFORD: Right, because its hard to understand why it wasn't taken more seriously (by the Obama administration). BARR: Right. CRAWFORD: Why do you think it was not? BARR: I have no idea. That's one of the things I'm interested in looking at. Surely the response should have been more than just, you know, dangling a confidential informant in front of a peripheral player in the Trump campaign. BARR: (On the dangers of Government spying) It's just as dangerous to the continuation of our self-government and our republican system, republic that we do not allow government power, law enforcement or intelligence power, to play a role in politics, to intrude into politics, and affect elections. There's a tendency that they know better and that, you know, they're there to protect as guardians of the people. That can easily translate into essentially supervening the will of the majority and getting your own way as a government official. But Trump is saying the attack never even happened. So who isn't taking it seriously??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: But Trump is saying the attack never even happened. So who isn't taking it seriously??? Trump did not order Cybercommand to stand down in the face of the Russian attacks. Obama did. Obama did nothing to put out the fire... because he wanted to inflame the situation since it was beneficial to the narrative he was building with the Clinton campaign re collusion/conspiracy. Or to put it another way: Obama realized there was an issue, and instead of protecting the country he sought to turn the issue into a political advantage for himself. Because he cares more about his legacy than he has ever cared about the country or its well being. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Trump did not order Cybercommand to stand down in the face of the Russian attacks. Obama did. Obama did nothing to put out the fire... because he wanted to inflame the situation since it was beneficial to the narrative he was building with the Clinton campaign re collusion/conspiracy. Or to put it another way: Obama realized there was an issue, and instead of protecting the country he sought to turn the issue into a political advantage for himself. Because he cares more about his legacy than he has ever cared about the country or its well being. Link on this latest "stand down" order please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Nervous Schiffy? Rep. Schiff: Attorney General Barr Should Never Have Been Confirmed In First Place Congressman Adam Schiff is doubling down on his calls for Attorney General William Barr to resign. While speaking at an event Thursday, the Democrat lawmaker said he believes Barr should never have been confirmed to the position in the first place. </snip> 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 CRAWFORD: But you said there's a timeline concern. BARR: Well I won't, I won't confirm that, but I'll just say that, you know, there's some questions that I think have to be answered, and I have a basis for feeling there has to be a review of this. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Trump did not order Cybercommand to stand down in the face of the Russian attacks. Obama did. Obama did nothing to put out the fire... because he wanted to inflame the situation since it was beneficial to the narrative he was building with the Clinton campaign re collusion/conspiracy. Or to put it another way: Obama realized there was an issue, and instead of protecting the country he sought to turn the issue into a political advantage for himself. Because he cares more about his legacy than he has ever cared about the country or its well being. Well, Obama's certainly gonna have some legacy when this is all over, just not the one he'd hoped for... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Link on this latest "stand down" order please https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-cyber-chief-confirms-stand-order-russian-cyberattacks-summer-2016-204935758.html Note the author of the piece too... The Obama White House’s chief cyber official testified Wednesday that proposals he was developing to counter Russia’s attack on the U.S. presidential election were put on a “back burner” after he was ordered to “stand down” his efforts in the summer of 2016. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Obama was building a hotel in Moscow, too! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: Obama was building a hotel in Moscow, too! That's your response? Really? Come on, you're better than that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Barr's really got some gems in that interview. I foresee a lot of bags being packed this morning, or at the very least, affairs being put into order. ? WILLIAM BARR: The idea of resisting a democratically elected president and basically throwing everything at him and you know, really changing the norms on the grounds that we have to stop this president, that is where the shredding of our norms and our institutions is occurring. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's your response? Really? Come on, you're better than that. I'm reading it now, give me a second, gees! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Here's a gem -- and why he's the Honey Badger BARR: I realize we live in a crazy hyper-partisan period of time and I knew that it would only be a matter of time if I was behaving responsibly and calling them as I see them, that I would be attacked because nowadays people don't care about the merit and the substance. Any Attorney General in this period is going to end up losing a lot of political capital and I realize that and that is one of the reasons that I ultimately was persuaded that I should take it on because I think at my stage in life it really doesn't make a difference. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Nervous Schiffy? Rep. Schiff: Attorney General Barr Should Never Have Been Confirmed In First Place Congressman Adam Schiff is doubling down on his calls for Attorney General William Barr to resign. While speaking at an event Thursday, the Democrat lawmaker said he believes Barr should never have been confirmed to the position in the first place. </snip> According to Democrats, if you demand the resignation of someone investigating you, that is obstruction. So, by their very definition, Schiff is obstructing justice. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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