Operation Boomerang AG Barr's Investigation of Acts of Treason by Federal Employees

[transplantbillsfan]

Geez.

 

This place really just is a cesspool of conspiracy theories.

 

I have a question... if/when Trump loses the election in 2020 (said "if" for your sakes... sadly the broader pronoun "your" is necessary in this case considering, despite the fact that some of you might protest this, you're nearly all clearly in this same boat over here at PPP), will you accept the fact that the American public woke up in a "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" moment?

 

Or...

 

Will you hope Trump not merely resists the peaceful passing of power but goes even further and actively resists in the manners a sitting President could do so?

 

I worry the latter is the case. And I fear you'll get your wish.

[Deranged Rhino]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Geez.

 

This place really just is a cesspool of conspiracy theories.

 

I have a question... if/when Trump loses the election in 2020 (said "if" for your sakes... sadly the broader pronoun "your" is necessary in this case considering, despite the fact that some of you might protest this, you're nearly all clearly in this same boat over here at PPP), will you accept the fact that the American public woke up in a "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" moment?

 

Or...

 

Will you hope Trump not merely resists the peaceful passing of power but goes even further and actively resists in the manners a sitting President could do so?

 

I worry the latter is the case. And I fear you'll get your wish.

 

 

Maybe they'll just invent a boogeyman like Russia and claim the election was stolen for two years -- then when the facts show that never happened, they'll accuse the other side of not being able to let go.... 

[4merper4mer]

5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Geez.

 

This place really just is a cesspool of conspiracy theories.

 

I have a question... if/when Trump loses the election in 2020 (said "if" for your sakes... sadly the broader pronoun "your" is necessary in this case considering, despite the fact that some of you might protest this, you're nearly all clearly in this same boat over here at PPP), will you accept the fact that the American public woke up in a "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" moment?

 

Or...

 

Will you hope Trump not merely resists the peaceful passing of power but goes even further and actively resists in the manners a sitting President could do so?

 

I worry the latter is the case. And I fear you'll get your wish.

I've seen statements about the following presidents stating they would invent a crisis to stay in office:

 

Reagan

Clinton

Bush2

Obama

And now Trump

 

I may have missed one about Bush 1.  Try to be original.

 

The only people I've seen try to create a crisis to be president thankfully never were.  Those are Gore and to a lesser extent Hillary as her's seems more about disruption than replacement.

[snafu]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Geez.

 

This place really just is a cesspool of conspiracy theories.

 

I have a question... if/when Trump loses the election in 2020 (said "if" for your sakes... sadly the broader pronoun "your" is necessary in this case considering, despite the fact that some of you might protest this, you're nearly all clearly in this same boat over here at PPP), will you accept the fact that the American public woke up in a "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" moment?

 

Or...

 

Will you hope Trump not merely resists the peaceful passing of power but goes even further and actively resists in the manners a sitting President could do so?

 

I worry the latter is the case. And I fear you'll get your wish.

 

I don’t hope anyone “resists the peaceful passing of power”, peacefully or otherwise. I don’t like that it’s been going on since November, 2016. As Hillary Clinton once said, it is a threat to our democracy. 

 

Is it okay to resist the peaceful passing of power?

Can I keep my #resist bumper sticker on my car?

Should I sell all my Antifa gear on ebay, or will I still need it?

Can we keep investigating the President endlessly (now for things he might have done as a private citizen)?

Because if it’s not okay, then what has this country been doing for 2.5 years, and especially since the midterm elections?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 24, 2019 by snafu

[Bray Wyatt]

6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Geez.

 

This place really just is a cesspool of conspiracy theories.

 

I have a question... if/when Trump loses the election in 2020 (said "if" for your sakes... sadly the broader pronoun "your" is necessary in this case considering, despite the fact that some of you might protest this, you're nearly all clearly in this same boat over here at PPP), will you accept the fact that the American public woke up in a "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" moment?

 

Or...

 

Will you hope Trump not merely resists the peaceful passing of power but goes even further and actively resists in the manners a sitting President could do so?

 

I worry the latter is the case. And I fear you'll get your wish.

 

First, as if those are the only two options lmao. If Trump loses in 2020 it wont be some great awakening on the American public. He won big in the electoral vote, but the margins were very slim in those swing states, and that was the worst candidate in history he was going up against. Second, the democrats, by not having Hillary run, by default should do better. The real question is, how many people has Trump been able to sway since he has been in office and with this booming economy?

 

As for the second or part, stop being so afraid and stop lumping all the people who support our president into one group. The majority of the people would expect him to do as the others before him did (well minus the spying on the party's opposition and the sabotaging of the incoming admin)

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Yup... and he's head of the intel committee. 

 

Terrifying. 

 

AND Gang of 8.

Btw, it still amazes me that President Trump has the liberals in a froth over oversight and transparency of secretive agencies like the FBI & CIA. The people who bring you the notion that law enforcent is generally populated by jack-booted storm troopers who hide in the shadows and need to be dragged into the light....are themselves screaming about bringing these issues into the light to let the people decide.

 

It's like they have no value system, and it reminds me of a line from the Charlie Daniel's song "Uneasy Rider".  "I had 'em all out there steppin and fetching like their heads were on fire and their asses were catching". Perfect analogy for Trump v libs.

 

[3rdnlng]

17 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

First, as if those are the only two options lmao. If Trump loses in 2020 it wont be some great awakening on the American public. He won big in the electoral vote, but the margins were very slim in those swing states, and that was the worst candidate in history he was going up against. Second, the democrats, by not having Hillary run, by default should do better. The real question is, how many people has Trump been able to sway since he has been in office and with this booming economy?

 

As for the second or part, stop being so afraid and stop lumping all the people who support our president into one group. The majority of the people would expect him to do as the others before him did (well minus the spying on the party's opposition and the sabotaging of the incoming admin)

If California was recounted the popular vote might be turned around completely.

[Koko78]

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Maybe they'll just invent a boogeyman like Russia and claim the election was stolen for two years -- then when the facts show that never happened, they'll accuse the other side of not being able to let go.... 

 

I'll have to wait for the movie adaptation of Trump's book about it: "The Art of What Happened"

[Buffalo_Gal]

7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Geez.

 

This place really just is a cesspool of conspiracy theories.

 

I have a question... if/when Trump loses the election in 2020 (said "if" for your sakes... sadly the broader pronoun "your" is necessary in this case considering, despite the fact that some of you might protest this, you're nearly all clearly in this same boat over here at PPP), will you accept the fact that the American public woke up in a "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" moment?

 

Or...

 

Will you hope Trump not merely resists the peaceful passing of power but goes even further and actively resists in the manners a sitting President could do so?

 

I worry the latter is the case. And I fear you'll get your wish.

You need to start reading the source documents. You do not have to agree with anyone here, anyone on TV, anyone in print... simply read the source documents (with an open mind if possible). There are thousands of 'em out there. And the declassification will add even more to the story. 

While this may sound like a conspiracy theory to many, the sad facts are the Obama administration was spying on a whole lot of American citizens.  Our "friends" at 5-eyes were spying on a whole lot of American citizens.  There was an attempt to overturn an American election - from within and without (forget those pesky Russians, it was out "friends" in the UK who were the most "helpful" in this endeavor). There was a soft-coup attempt on a duly elected American President.

Outlandish? Crazy? Unbelievable?  You betchya. Yet it all happened. 

There are people who are still attempting to hide and distract from these facts, for political purposes. And, it ain't the Trump administration doin' it.

So ask yourself why the top Democrats want so badly to hide what happened under the Obama Administration, and among Obama holdovers? (We're not even going into the slow-walk for Trump administration approvals so those Obama-people could stick around after election.)  

Oh, and one last piece of advice... you may want to buy popcorn stock if you haven't already!  The show has just begun. 

[3rdnlng]

36 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

You need to start reading the source documents. You do not have to agree with anyone here, anyone on TV, anyone in print... simply read the source documents (with an open mind if possible). There are thousands of 'em out there. And the declassification will add even more to the story. 

While this may sound like a conspiracy theory to many, the sad facts are the Obama administration was spying on a whole lot of American citizens.  Our "friends" at 5-eyes were spying on a whole lot of American citizens.  There was an attempt to overturn an American election - from within and without (forget those pesky Russians, it was out "friends" in the UK who were the most "helpful" in this endeavor). There was a soft-coup attempt on a duly elected American President.

Outlandish? Crazy? Unbelievable?  You betchya. Yet it all happened. 

There are people who are still attempting to hide and distract from these facts, for political purposes. And, it ain't the Trump administration doin' it.

So ask yourself why the top Democrats want so badly to hide what happened under the Obama Administration, and among Obama holdovers? (We're not even going into the slow-walk for Trump administration approvals so those Obama-people could stick around after election.)  

Oh, and one last piece of advice... you may want to buy popcorn stock if you haven't already!  The show has just begun. 

Responding to that poser is definitely:

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Responding to that poser is definitely:

 

Very true -- but it was a well done response. Hopefully more will read it and consider, even some of the more die hard "BUT RUSSIA" folks could learn a thing or two. 

 

 

 

**************************************

 

 

Asha -- the "FBI Agent" (whose career in the FBI was short and without distinction) is trying her best to cover up what's coming. But Chuck points out the obvious. 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Very true -- but it was a well done response. Hopefully more will read it and consider, even some of the more die hard "BUT RUSSIA" folks could learn a thing or two. 

 

 

Yes, you're right. Buffalo_Gal is a good poster and I appreciate her postings. The only good that could possibly come out of her post would be that someone else may get something from it. Transplant, by whatever name he goes by is still an idiot and her good post will certainly fall on deaf ears there.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

Yes, you're right. Buffalo_Gal is a good poster and I appreciate her postings. The only good that could possibly come out of her post would be that someone else may get something from it. Transplant, by whatever name he goes by is still an idiot and her good post will certainly fall on deaf ears there.

 

I still harbor hope for some of the vocal "BUT RUSSIA!" crowd that they'll come around. Not sure Transplant is going to make that cut... but some, who have been understandably silent in the past three months, are intelligent enough to know they were conned. Whether they will come down to rejoin the discussion about it is probably hoping for too much. 

 

 

[DC Tom]

13 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Here's Schiff's spin

 

 

 

Declassifying information and making it public is a cover-up?

 

He literally just went full "obfuscating with facts and details" gatorman. 

11 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That's really not the hill to die on, CBS. A full declass would only be worse for the people they're trying to protect. They're just desperate to spin right now. 

 

"It's dangerous because they might tell only part of the story, and bury the rest, and that's our job!"

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Geez.

 

This place really just is a cesspool of conspiracy theories.

 

I have a question... if/when Trump loses the election in 2020 (said "if" for your sakes... sadly the broader pronoun "your" is necessary in this case considering, despite the fact that some of you might protest this, you're nearly all clearly in this same boat over here at PPP), will you accept the fact that the American public woke up in a "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" moment?

 

Or...

 

Will you hope Trump not merely resists the peaceful passing of power but goes even further and actively resists in the manners a sitting President could do so?

 

I worry the latter is the case. And I fear you'll get your wish.

Interesting approach.  It's like going to someone's newly purchased home, stating emphatically "Man, this place smells like crap!" and quickly following up with "How do you like the neighborhood!". I'm thinking you skipped Dale Carnegie seminar day at school? 

 

Be that as it may...I think your question reflects your own limitations on this issue. 

 

First, the decision on your part to accept the first "conspiracy theory" (Trumpavonavich is a Russian asset), and maybe the second "conspiracy theory" (Trump may not be Russian asset  but he's a real douche for the way he went about disproving conspiracy #1) or even conspiracy theory #3 (his decision to allow the American people to know the ins/outs of the investigation is "un-American") is fine, but understand it's the same conspiracy cesspool as anything you might read here. The only difference is your position has been discredited.  

 

As for your second question, I'll respond based on what seems to be human nature:

 

The past couple years have outlined the path that political leaders must now tread.  If the other team will accuse you of treason, and shake everyone down in your inner circle, and weaponize intelligence, what choice do you have other than to respond in kind?  When the actions of the other side are revealed to be based on fraud and political animus designed to neutralize the vote of an Anerican citizen, and once revealed, the allegation is that attempting to investigate how the whole thing got started to begin with is "unAmerican", I don't know how a political party does not respond as forcefully and directly as possible. When the political operatives on the other side accuse your supreme court nominee of sexual assault and being a serial rapist, and attempt to crush the nominee and destroy his life, it seems naive to think there will not be some equal and in-kind reaction. 

 

I'd prefer to see our political leaders be as above board as possible, but seriously, if you, for example, cast your vote in support of these dirty politicians, it takes a special kind of innocence to pray that we all suddenly get along for the good of the country.  If it goes as you would hope, I'd pray DJT lawfully declassifies everything necessary to reveal wrongdoing by anyone in the mix. Obama. Biden. Clapper. Comey. Clinton. Pelosi. Bush. Bush. McCain. Nadler. Brennan. Schiff. And so on. And if there was nothing further to reveal, that's fine too.

 

Let's get this ship back on track, but as to your suggestion that we heal by moving on because your guy got in and he/she is less of a liar than the other guy-- I vote hells no, and shame on you for asking. 

 

Go in peace, my man. 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

24 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Seriously, these simple but accurate tweets are awesome. Makes me wish I was on twitter...almost. 

[BillsFanNC]

The declassification will add more logs to the fire most certainly,  but there is absolutely no tipping point on the horizon where you'll see the more ardent leftists start to come to grips with what really happened.

 

Comey, Brennan, Clapper et al. could all come out and admit to all of their treasonous actions under oath and it still wouldn't be enough for some. It would all still be justified because Trump. 

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Yes, you're right. Buffalo_Gal is a good poster and I appreciate her postings. The only good that could possibly come out of her post would be that someone else may get something from it. Transplant, by whatever name he goes by is still an idiot and her good post will certainly fall on deaf ears there.

 

by whatever name?

 

Are you implying I'm lurking on this message board under other usernames?

 

That might be the dirtiest shot I've seen anyone take at me on here.

 

No, this is and always will be my ONLY username.

[3rdnlng]

14 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

by whatever name?

 

Are you implying I'm lurking on this message board under other usernames?

 

That might be the dirtiest shot I've seen anyone take at me on here.

 

No, this is and always will be my ONLY username.

No, I was implying that you had other names that you went by in the past. If not, no big deal, you don't owe me an apology.

[LB3]

Thou doth protest too much.

[transplantbillsfan]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

No, I was implying that you had other names that you went by in the past. If not, no big deal, you don't owe me an apology.

 

Definitely not.

 

This is the only username I've ever had, here or at BBMB or over at Billievers.

 

Decade and a half probably now running with the same name.

[Deranged Rhino]

26 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Definitely not.

 

This is the only username I've ever had, here or at BBMB or over at Billievers.

 

Decade and a half probably now running with the same name.

 

So, does it bother you at all that after two years of the media, congress, and political pundits not only calling Trump a traitor but claiming to have seen undeniable evidence of said treason, that it's been revealed that there was in fact no treason committed? 

 

Or, are you so blindly partisan that it's okay if one side lies and smears and cheats and spies so long as that side is the one you support? 

 

Asking honestly...

[Deranged Rhino]

DNI Coats issues statement on the Declass

 

*thread with more: 

 

 

Coats provided the most crucial piece of evidence in this whole saga back in 2017, which is key to remember. 

Edited May 24, 2019 by Deranged Rhino

[transplantbillsfan]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

So, does it bother you at all that after two years of the media, congress, and political pundits not only calling Trump a traitor but claiming to have seen undeniable evidence of said treason, that it's been revealed that there was in fact no treason committed? 

 

Or, are you so blindly partisan that it's okay if one side lies and smears and cheats and spies so long as that side is the one you support? 

 

Asking honestly...

 

I guess we pay attention to different media and political pundits.

 

The whole idea of criminal conspiracy was always a very high bar that I never thought would be undeniably proven.

 

What was undeniably proven was that Russia interfered in our election, trying to tip the scales in Trump's favor, and he knew about it.

 

The obstruction of justice was always the biggest and most visible thing for Trump.  And an incredibly strong case for it was laid out in the Mueller report.  One that would have had the impeachment process begun--and possibly ended--already if we didn't have a Republican Senate so hilariously hypocritical (*ahem*...Lindsay Graham) in their undying loyalty to this President.

 

All that's just the Mueller stuff.

 

Then you have all the investigations into Trump's personal business and background, which are completely warranted and constitutional.

 

Trump broke precedent (and his word) of sharing his taxes the way every single other Presidential candidate has done for the last half century.

 

Are you seriously telling me you aren't the least bit curious as to why he's so ferociously protective of his business dealings?

 

The Emoluments lawsuit going (slowly, of course, because Trump's an obstructionist) through the courts is maybe the most important among the plethora of issues with the guy.

 

The guy is just out in the open corrupt.  He always has been.  I'm one of the silly ones who really thought he didn't stand a chance in the election.  But unlike a number of those other silly people, I actually went out and voted.  

 

Trump won't be impeached and will remain in office for another year and a half, barring some kind of unbelievable and unforseen flip or something so ridiculously and outright in the open illegal that even the Senate can't ignore it.  But again, I don't expect that will happen because Trump has basically had his whole life to build a working knowledge of how to be a crook without getting thrown in jail.  The guy knows how to use the courts, that's for sure.

 

However, when it's Biden (almost certainly the Democratic candidate, I believe) vs. Trump, I believe Trump will not only lose the popular vote by millions of votes AGAIN, that he'll also lose the electoral vote this time.

[DC Tom]

2 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

The declassification will add more logs to the fire most certainly,  but there is absolutely no tipping point on the horizon where you'll see the more ardent leftists start to come to grips with what really happened.

 

Comey, Brennan, Clapper et al. could all come out and admit to all of their treasonous actions under oath and it still wouldn't be enough for some. It would all still be justified because Trump. 

 

What's more, this will justify their "Trump is literally Hitler!" insanity.  Because he's had control of the DoJ and the intel community for two years, more than enough time for him to have them fabricate fake evidence against his political enemies and slow-roll it with a "declassification" scheme.  

 

As a side note, I'm highly amused that the same people decrying Assmange's charges for leaking secrets as the end of the Constitution are also decrying Trump's declassification of secrets as the end of the Constitution. 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

7 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I guess we pay attention to different media and political pundits.

 

 

 

?

 

That much is obvious. It seems as though you've thoroughly paid attention to the bulk of the media who have lied to you for the past 2+ years.  While DR relied on himself to do his own research and filter through publicly available documents to connect the dots. He was so far out in front of this whole thing that there really weren't any media or political pundits talking about this, conservative or otherwise. Yet here we are.

[Deranged Rhino]

Taking this a piece at a time, not to be combative but to stoke a real conversation with you

 

8 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I guess we pay attention to different media and political pundits.

 

I pay the most attention to facts and evidence which can stand up on their own. What I do not do is rely on the media to tell me what to think or how to think when I analyze said evidence. But I do pay attention to the entire media spectrum, it's too important not to when you're talking about a story as explosive as this. 

 

10 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

The whole idea of criminal conspiracy was always a very high bar that I never thought would be undeniably proven.

 

You can't just brush this aside. This was THE CLAIM made by not only members of the media, but members of Congress, President Obama's cabinet members, and Hillary Clinton herself. They not only said this conspiracy was real and resulted in Trump stealing an election which he actually lost, many of those same people and media members said they had undeniable evidence that the crime happened. 

 

We now know, without question, this did not happen. There was no Trump/Russia connection. There was no conspiracy or collusion to work together. There was no being "soft" on Russia to get their help. Not a single American was indicted by the SCO for anything relating to the 2016 election or collusion conspiracy. Not one. 

 

Doesn't that bother you at all? Do you just give them a pass because "your" media tells you something else? The same media, I bet, who lied to you for two years not only about Trump/Russia but years earlier about WMD in Iraq. 

 

13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

What was undeniably proven was that Russia interfered in our election, trying to tip the scales in Trump's favor, and he knew about it.

 

Incorrect. "Interference" and "Meddling" are not synonymous the way they've been used by the media since 2016. The Russians did not change a single vote. They did not hack any systems which tabulated votes. What they did was purchase a bunch of facebook ads (for 10k, not even enough money to move the needle in a two horse town let alone the country) -- AND WORK WITH HILLARY CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN TO SPREAD INTENTIONAL DISINFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC in the form of the Steele dossier. 

 

Does that not bother you? Is that news to you? Do you deny this is the reality? If you do, you need to go back through this whole saga with fresh eyes because you've been lied to.

 

Trump did not "know about it" -- he was running for office and had no connections to Russia per Mueller's own report, the House committee and the Senate. But you know who did know about it? Obama. And despite knowing about it, he did nothing to prevent it, in fact he ordered US Cyber command to STAND DOWN. Why? Because they wanted to push and sell the Russia/Trump story to the public. 

 

Because Trump/Russia was an invention of the Obama Administration, the Hillary campaign, and the USIC. 

 

17 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

The obstruction of justice was always the biggest and most visible thing for Trump. 

 

This is revisionist history and completely incorrect. The biggest charge was TREASON and colluding with a foreign government to STEAL AN ELECTION. 

 

Obstruction only became "the biggest" thing once those promises of Treason turned out to be frauds. 

 

18 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

And an incredibly strong case for it was laid out in the Mueller report.  One that would have had the impeachment process begun--and possibly ended--already if we didn't have a Republican Senate so hilariously hypocritical (*ahem*...Lindsay Graham) in their undying loyalty to this President.

 

Incorrect. 

 

Mueller punted on his decision and Barr ruled the way he did. Mueller's report is completely unchallenged, it's not "proven" by any stretch of the imagination as none of the witness accounts were cross examined. Saying obstruction is proven, or strong, is just factually wrong. 

 

Legally, obstruction was decided. It didn't happen. 

 

It's entirely political now -- and again I have to ask, doesn't that bother you? Two years ago, everyone in "your" media and Congress were screaming that Trump was a traitor and they had evidence to prove it. Yet now they've shifted completely to obstruction of justice without acknowledging or accepting the fact that their earlier claims were proven to be lies. They lied to you, over and over again. Knowingly. They did this because they think you're too stupid to think for yourself. Doesn't that offend you? 

 

Or do they get a pass because Orange man bad? 

 

21 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

All that's just the Mueller stuff.

 

The result of the Mueller "stuff", the same "stuff" which the left and "your media" had built up as sacred and unimpeachable concluded the following: 

1) Trump/Russia was never real. It did not happen, it was fiction. 

2) Obstruction of justice did not happen. 

 

That's "The Mueller stuff". 

 

Which is a far cry from what you were promised by "your media", is it not? 

 

23 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Then you have all the investigations into Trump's personal business and background, which are completely warranted and constitutional.

 

Do you understand what a FISA warrant is and the powers it holds? Because this statement leads me to believe you do not. 

 

When the government got a FISA warrant on Carter Page in October of 2016, that allows the investigators to use the massive powers of our surveillance state against not only Carter Page but anyone he EVER had contact with. And not only them, but also anyone THOSE PEOPLE ever had contact with. That's what two hops mean. It means they have the ability to comb through every inch of everyone's life whom Carter Page has ever said hello to. Every email. Every call. Every text. Every draft of a text. Every financial record. Every court record (even expunged ones). Everything. 

 

When they got the FISA on Page, he had already left the campaign. So why did they want to target Page? Because they wanted to get those powers of surveillance on Trump. And they did. "Legally" through this FISA. 

 

The Carter Page warrant was renewed 4 times -- through 2017. 

 

That means candidate Trump AND President Trump were under the most intense and powerful surveillance in the history of mankind. They went through his entire life, and the lives of everyone he ever said hello to, hoping to find ANYTHING they could to use against him. They knew they wouldn't find Russian connections (because the FBI invented that and knew it), but they KNEW Trump had to be dirty. He's Trump after all, there's no way he wouldn't end up being every bit as dirty as the other DC politicians, right? 

 

Guess what? 

 

After almost two years under the most intense and all reaching surveillance known to man, you know what they found? Nothing. 

 

He's clean. 

 

If he wasn't, they would have leaked/charged/buried him with innuendo. But they didn't find a single crime. Not one. 

 

That matters, does it not? Or are you supporting a system of justice that doesn't care about due process or presumption of innocence?

 

29 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Trump broke precedent (and his word) of sharing his taxes the way every single other Presidential candidate has done for the last half century.

 

Are you seriously telling me you aren't the least bit curious as to why he's so ferociously protective of his business dealings?

 

This is window dressing for the simple minded. It's a trick. 

 

The government has had access to his tax records and financial records this entire time. As noted above, they dug into EVERYTHING. If there was anything untoward in his taxes, it would have been brought up long ago. If there was anything criminal, he would have been exposed BEFORE he was allowed to select two Justices, let alone be sworn in as POTUS. 

 

You have to think a little bit here. The only ones who think his taxes are hiding something are the ones who are lying to you. The same ones who lied to you about Trump/Russia. The same ones who are still lying to you today. 

 

Again, I ask you, when do you say enough is enough with the lies? Or does it not matter because Orange Man bad?

 

31 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

The Emoluments lawsuit going (slowly, of course, because Trump's an obstructionist) through the courts is maybe the most important among the plethora of issues with the guy.

 

The SDNY answers to one man: 

 

Nothing is going to come from those investigations -- because of what I said above. He's clean. He's been given a rectal exam by the United States Intelligence Community - that's the FBI, CIA, NSA - not to mention the IRS and I'm sure a dozen other alphabet agencies, and he came back clean. 

 

You're dreaming here because you've chosen to believe "your media" rather than actual first hand evidence. 

 

34 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

The guy is just out in the open corrupt.  He always has been. 

 

Again, this is a stale talking point after the FISAs Trump was under. 

 

If he was "out in the open corrupt" let alone closeted corrupt, it would have been flagged by this investigation immediately. 

 

You're badly misinformed by people who think you're too stupid to question their lies -- even after they've been exposed as liars. You must do better. 

 

35 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Trump won't be impeached and will remain in office for another year and a half, barring some kind of unbelievable and unforseen flip or something so ridiculously and outright in the open illegal that even the Senate can't ignore it.  But again, I don't expect that will happen because Trump has basically had his whole life to build a working knowledge of how to be a crook without getting thrown in jail.  The guy knows how to use the courts, that's for sure.

 

So lost... see all the reasons above. 

 

36 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

However, when it's Biden (almost certainly the Democratic candidate, I believe) vs. Trump, I believe Trump will not only lose the popular vote by millions of votes AGAIN, that he'll also lose the electoral vote this time.

 

Biden has zero chance to win. He's deeply involved in the illegal spying on Trump (and Cruz, and Sanders, and every political campaign), not to mention his corruption issues in the Ukraine and China with his kids. 

 

For a guy who seems to care about corruption so much, backing Biden seems disingenuous at best. 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Trump tweeted this during his flight to Japan  

 

 

 

Brennan is packing a bag for his bolt hole from what I'm hearing. Clapper's got the goods on him and isn't afraid to use it (per my master of whispers), there's a negotiation going on between both sides right now. 

 

Comey is apparently still in the woods looking for that perfect selfie light... he's resigned to what's coming, or oblivious to it.

 

ADDED: 

 

Right on cue: 

 

Unpopular and difficult -- like treason, sedition, and murdering US journalists in Los Angeles, right, John? 

Edited May 24, 2019 by Deranged Rhino

[Foxx]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Taking this a piece at a time, not to be combative but to stoke a real conversation with you

 

 

I pay the most attention to facts and evidence which can stand up on their own. What I do not do is rely on the media to tell me what to think or how to think when I analyze said evidence. But I do pay attention to the entire media spectrum, it's too important not to when you're talking about a story as explosive as this. ....

you do yeoman's work my man.

 

time and time again i see you attempt to offer inescapable logic in the most rational way possible to those who have been hoodwinked and simply can not fathom that they are/have been wrong about everything. yet time and time again, unfortunately the #orangemanbad/#TDS is so pronounced and embedded in the cadaver that no amount of rational discussion can be had because to do so would cause their paradigm to crumble and leave them drooling in the streets. these are what could truly be called zombies because no amount real information is ever going to kill the undead.

 

i hope @transplantbillsfan is not one of these but i have my doubts that there is any hope for him. carry on and keep fighting the good fight soldier, universe favors the sacrifice. 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Hedge]

4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Brennan is packing a bag for his bolt hole from what I'm hearing. Clapper's got the goods on him and isn't afraid to use it (per my master of whispers), there's a negotiation going on between both sides right now. 

 

Is correct to assume that you mean Clapper is in talks with the DOJ to flip?

[/dev/null]

21 minutes ago, Hedge said:

 

Is correct to assume that you mean Clapper is in talks with the DOJ to flip?

 

If that is the case, what happens first?  Clapper flips or has a double tap heart attack?

[Deranged Rhino]

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/former-cia-director-barr-investigation-an-outrageous-move-60303941876?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ai

 

Holy framing, Batman. The opening of this segment  

1 hour ago, Hedge said:

 

Is correct to assume that you mean Clapper is in talks with the DOJ to flip?

 

I haven't heard DOJ (yet), but their attorneys are sending angry letters to one another rather than forming a unified front  

[DC Tom]

Well here's the funny thing I just realized about Trump's declassification order and delegation of it to Barr.

 

It's under Obama's classification rules.  Trump never wrote a classification EO when he came in to office, as presidents usually do.  So Obama's EO 13526 is still in effect.

 

And that would be the one that says you can't classify something to hide an illegal act and prevent embarrassment to someone, and mandates declassification if it's in the public interest.

 

This is what's called "getting hoist on your own petard." 

[Doc Brown]

I think all this just leads Pelosi to call for impeachment to make it look like a political wash.  The average American who's more concerned about who will win reality voice competitions will just make it look like typical Democrat/Republican fighting for political gain.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

AKA WHY THE LEFT IS PANICKING:  

 

 

Russia hoax origins to be exposed as Trump authorizes AG Barr to declassify Russia probe documents.

 

 

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[Foxx]