The Mueller Report. BREAKING NEWS: AG’s Summary Report Released. NO COLLUSION!

[Koko78]

6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

So you shifted from: "Anyone who doubts there was treasonous collusion between Trump and Putin is a Russian spy or willfully ignorant" to "Barr is covering up the truth". 

 

 

 

You've learned nothing from the past two years. Nothing. 

 

C'mon man, you know he's waiting for the next NPC update. So far, he's doing a great job following the current programming to ignore previous statements and now cry 'Coverup!!!!' and 'Ignore the law and release the unredacted report now, so that we can invalidate everything in the released unredacted report by pointing out that you ignored the law to release the unredacted report now!!!!!!'

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Just now, Foxx said:

i thought you came out and admitted you were wrong when Barr issued his summary. you backed away from the ledge. don't tell me you have been sucked back in by the same prostitutes that have lied to you repeatedly for the last three years.

 

Hahaha...dude, you must be high. If you thought that memo fooled anyone you must have come down with TDS. I hear it's catching

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Ok...fair. 

But

 

1) if that is the case, why the ever loving hell was it a good idea to shout an entirely incomplete report from the rooftops if not to cover for his boss. If anything, it made sense to wait longer to ensure that the conclusions could be backed up, rather than come out with a conclusion that couldn't. Unless, you know...he was going for a coverup?

 

 

This is a nonsense point, given to you by the same folk who have lied to you repeatedly for years on this subject. 

 

The demand for the report was EVERYWHERE. Barr had to issue a statement, and he did so with the Special Counsel assisting him. He had three weeks to come to terms with the report's contents before he delivered his bottom line summary. 

 

2 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

2) Barr got his job by publishing a memo about how wrongheaded he thought the investigation was. You know, the independent one he was asked to summarize? Where he himself injected his own opinion, while the independent investigator had wanted to have the facts displayed...sounds like...a coverup.

 

 

Barr got the job by being highly qualified. He did not interject his own opinion in those four pages, no matter how many times you claim he did. He wrote that along side RR and the SCO. He used their words and findings to create his summary. And as promised, he's going to deliver the report to the public within the week. 

 

3 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Again, if Hillary did this, ya'll would have stroked out.

 

...Whataboutism is old and tired.

 

I'd say get something new, but you're still relying on the same people who lied to you for two plus years on this topic. That's a shame.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Just now, Koko78 said:

 

C'mon man, you know he's waiting for the next NPC update. So far, he's doing a great job following the current programming to ignore previous statements and now cry 'Coverup!!!!' and 'Ignore the law and release the unredacted report now, so that we can invalidate everything in the released unredacted report by pointing out that you ignored the law to release the unredacted report now!!!!!!'

 

I didn't day "criminal"

 

In fact, my fact post (which I can drag up if you like) was that even if it wasn't criminal, collusion happened. I stand by that. It is what I said. I am sorry that your NPC mind has taken a case of TDS.

 

I hear it's terminal

[3rdnlng]

8 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Ok. Let us say, for the sake of argument, that you are right. Let's drag this out a bit.

 

Starr report. Out in days. 

 

Barr "summary": 4 pages on a 300-999 page document: out on March 24th

Redacted version available for the Judiciary committee: ...mid April...maybe? -ish?

Unredacted version given to people with security clearance: According to Barr, never

Unredacted version to the public: Hahahahaha no

 

so, either Barr did such a supremely piss poor job in rushing out his findings that he wasn't able to properly parse the contents (which Donald Trump has assured us is full exoneration) OR he is participating in a coverup.

You are so wrong in so many ways that I must conclude that you're not keeping up on the news. Barr stated today that the report would be out within a week. He also reviewed the different reasons that he legally (and I might say morally) has to redact certain things in the report. The decision on redacting has been already made for Barr. He's following the law and just because that doesn't meet up with your feelings is just too ***** bad.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

This is a nonsense point, given to you by the same folk who have lied to you repeatedly for years on this subject. 

 

The demand for the report was EVERYWHERE. Barr had to issue a statement, and he did so with the Special Counsel assisting him. He had three weeks to come to terms with the report's contents before he delivered his bottom line summary. 

 

 

Barr got the job by being highly qualified. He did not interject his own opinion in those four pages, no matter how many times you claim he did. He wrote that along side RR and the SCO. He used their words and findings to create his summary. And as promised, he's going to deliver the report to the public within the week. 

 

 

...Whataboutism is old and tired.

 

I'd say get something new, but you're still relying on the same people who lied to you for two plus years on this topic. That's a shame.

 

...you know, it's cute when you try to adopt liberal talking points to your own.

 

But I'll continue to pick apart your argument while you look like a sad TDS man like usual for you.

 

1) Well good, golly gee BARR IS THE ***** AG. HE HAS DISCRETION. But if he had three weeks to issue the statement, then why isn't he ready to issue a redacted report. Immediately?

 

2) I am not doubting Barr's legal qualifications. But he absolutely DID inject his own analysis about the obstruction charge.

 

3) whataboutism? Cute. So, you have a problem when it's used against you, instead of all the times when you use it?

 

Sad.

 

I mean, mostly because you are pitiful.

[Koko78]

2 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

I didn't day "criminal"

 

In fact, my fact post (which I can drag up if you like) was that even if it wasn't criminal, collusion happened. I stand by that. It is what I said. I am sorry that your NPC mind has taken a case of TDS.

 

I hear it's terminal

 

Oh, a 'double dumbass pork chop on you' retort! Man you lefties are really original with your comebacks!

 

So, genius, please point out where I said anything about 'criminal' in my response to DR. Or where he referenced criminality.

 

However, it's nice to see that you're being the good little lemming and carrying forward the talking point that Barr's "summary" of Mueller's conclusions are somehow invalid because you idiots quite disingenuously spun what the document was into somehow being a 4 page summary of the entire report.

 

Hell, did you even read the thing? Or are you just going on what your media masters told you to believe? (Rhetorical - we already know that you didn't, and that you are.)

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

That depends: Do I believe that established facts conclude that the Trump campaign had collusion with Russian intelligence assets, and coordination with parties that brought about his election? I think that it's irrefutable at this point.

 

SCO does not agree with you. Nor does the evidence. It's only "irrefutable" because you have not done your homework and instead are relying on proven liars and propagandists because they conform to your preformed conclusions. 

 

That's not honest. That's not accurate. It's dishonest and a shame. 

2 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

Is it criminal? I think that exhaustive independent investigation was unable to provide a criminal case. 

 

You promised us, from the start, that this was real and happened. 

 

How do you explain that there's no evidence of criminality after two years of promising there's fire beneath all the smoke? Do you just brush that off as unimportant? Or are you going to hold accountable the folks that lied to you and convinced you this was fact when it was really fiction? 

 

3 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Is it shady as *****? Hell yes.

 

The lies and spin were done to create this illusion. It's not real. It's not backed by evidence. Yet it's "shady". 

 

That's propaganda, not reality. Be better. Think for yourself. 

 

4 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Did the President obstruct justice in trying to hide how shady it was? Well, let's see the report. You know, the one that "totally exonerates" the president, in his own words. Unless he's scared. I would think that it proved him innocent, he wouldn't be so scared. Like a little B word.

 

He's not going to be charged with obstruction. This was left to Barr to decide (because that's his role) and Barr has ruled. 

 

It's over. 

 

Done. 

 

There's nothing there. 

 

Not because it's being covered up, but because you were lied to (along with millions of others) by proven liars and propagandists. 

 

What you choose to do next will show us all how much you've learned - if anything - about what really happened. What happened was a coup attempt. Led by the US intel community with an assist from the media and corrupt politicians. You don't have a problem with this because you hate Trump and whatever gets him out of office if fine by you. 

 

But that's a short sighted way to see this. You have to look beyond Trump. Because if they can do this against a president you don't like, what's to stop them from doing it to a president you do like? 

 

You're in for a really rough 2019 if you're still this lost on this subject.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

You are so wrong in so many ways that I must conclude that you're not keeping up on the news. Barr stated today that the report would be out within a week. He also reviewed the different reasons that he legally (and I might say morally) has to redact certain things in the report. The decision on redacting has been already made for Barr. He's following the law and just because that doesn't meet up with your feelings is just too ***** bad.

So...if the unredacted report comes out, and there is a case for criminal charges or impeachment based on obstruction of justice, you will stand by it?

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

...you know, it's cute when you try to adopt liberal talking points to your own.

 

But I'll continue to pick apart your argument while you look like a sad TDS man like usual for you.

 

Uh... all you've done for two years is say the evidence is overwhelming and promise that Trump would be exposed as a Russian spy. 

 

You've been wrong every step of the way. 

 

I've been correct. I've tried to reason with you. I've shared evidence and primary source material to make the case - you ignored it all because your sources were telling you it was false and you refused to think for yourself. 

 

Now you've been exposed, as well as the narrative, to have been wrong. Bigly. 

 

What you do next is up to you. But a smart man would learn why he was wrong and try to figure out how he got so misled in the first place before doubling down on his position.

3 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

2) I am not doubting Barr's legal qualifications. But he absolutely DID inject his own analysis about the obstruction charge.

 

 

That's his job. Not Mueller's. Per MUELLER. 

 

So is it Mueller who's covering up for Trump or Barr? 

 

This is what happens when you don't understand the issue you're trying to debate. You end up looking uninformed. 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

He's not going to be charged with obstruction. This was left to Barr to decide (because that's his role) and Barr has ruled. 

 

It's over. 

 

Done. 

 

There's nothing there. 

 

Not because it's being covered up, but because you were lied to (along with millions of others) by proven liars and propagandists. 

 

What you choose to do next will show us all how much you've learned - if anything - about what really happened. What happened was a coup attempt. Led by the US intel community with an assist from the media and corrupt politicians. You don't have a problem with this because you hate Trump and whatever gets him out of office if fine by you. 

 

But that's a short sighted way to see this. You have to look beyond Trump. Because if they can do this against a president you don't like, what's to stop them from doing it to a president you do like? 

 

You're in for a really rough 2019 if you're still this lost on this subject.

 

Well, are spinning our wheels here because we seem to not be able to agree on objective reality. 

 

But what I bolded...this is worth seeing.

 

This is the batshit crazy logic that you morons hang onto. A coup? You had to concoct that level of fantasy for yourself? How corrupt does this administration have to get that you pull you head out of your ass?

 

Answer: will never happen.

 

You poor, poor deluded fool.

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

So...if the unredacted report comes out, and there is a case for criminal charges or impeachment based on obstruction of justice, you will stand by it?

 

Per Mueller's own words, and RR's, there is no case for criminal charges on collusion/conspiracy. 

 

That's not Barr saying it. It's Mueller. 

 

Again, things you would know if you bothered to think for yourself and unplug from the MSM network who has lied to you for two plus years. You should be mad at Seth Abramson and the other resistance propagandists you've touted down here for two years - not Trump or the people who have tried to shake you awake. 

 

You're still asleep. And seemingly very very happy to remain that way. 

Shame.

Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

Well, are spinning our wheels here because we seem to not be able to agree on objective reality. 

 

 

We're spinning our wheels because you're not living in reality. You've bought hook line and sinker the lie and instead of being upset to the point of doing self reflection when that narrative has been exposed as lies - you've now decided to double down on ignorance. 

 

The evidence is with me. Not you. As it always has been. I've made the case for the coup time and time again in these threads. There's much more evidence to support that conclusion that there ever has been of Trump/Russia collusion. 

 

You'll see in a few more weeks when the indictments start. Better stock up on depends.

[Foxx]

42 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

Hahaha...dude, you must be high. If you thought that memo fooled anyone you must have come down with TDS. I hear it's catching

you admitted you were wrong.

 

 

shame that you let yourself be sucked back in by the deep staters who have lied to you for over three years. you were on the verge of removing that TDS implant they embedded deep in your psyche. my condolences. 

Edited April 9, 2019 by Foxx

[Albwan]

15 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

Hahaha...dude, you must be high. If you thought that memo fooled anyone you must have come down with TDS. I hear it's catching

So,  you're saying that this Barr guy would be stupid enough to lie about a report that Mueller

and his gang of hillary cronies could easily refute at any time and at the same totally wreck his own career?

As I asked a tds'ed friend over the weekend as he was screaming and arm flapping,

Is that a logical conclusion?

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

A whole lot of us know what we see.

 

You know what you want to see. You don't even have to look any farther than this weekend to realize where the divisiveness remains.

 

Since last Friday, countless politicians, news orgs and celebrities have been writing about, reporting on, and tweeting about Trump calling asylum-seeking immigrants as 'animals.' I even have a friend on Facebook show a photo of herself and kids at the Statue of Liberty on April 1, and underneath it writes, "Five days later, Trump calls immigrants 'animals.' "

 

They all ran with a story even they KNEW it was not only a year old video, but he was specifically referring to MS-13 gangbangers.

 

There is literally no denying this happened..

 

Trump undoubtedly pokes the bear, but the bear got him elected, and it's pissing its pants because they made Hillary lose to a giant, orange, peanut-shaped marshmallow. 

[3rdnlng]

8 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

So...if the unredacted report comes out, and there is a case for criminal charges or impeachment based on obstruction of justice, you will stand by it?

Why wouldn't I? This isn't partisan with me like it is with you. This has been a 2 1/2 year search for truth initiated by DR and initially disbelieved by a lot of us here. Between DR's information and some independent research, I finally came around to the conclusion that there was some illegal deep state shenanigans and a coup attempt. Next time you come down here you should do it with something more than foolish MSM and Leftist talking points to make your case. You've come down here several times and started a shitstorm based on ignorance. Is your memory so bad that you don't recognize that you'll be made a fool of if you come down here again unarmed?

[Deranged Rhino]

On 7/7/2018 at 10:28 AM, Deranged Rhino said:

As predicted, two years ago almost now, Russian Collusion is dead. Deader than dead, it's already been autopsied and buried. 

 

From the most recent SC filings regarding the Manafort case: 

 

"The Government does not intend to present at trial evidence or argument concerning collusion with the Russian government and, accordingly, does not oppose the defendant's motion in that respect."

 

 

So, if there was no collusion... what has this whole thing been about since November 9th, 2016?

 

A COVER-UP OF A PALACE COUP AND ELECTION RIGGING BY THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION AND IC. All those people who have been up in arms over "Russian interfering in the election" and working with Trump to do so, should look inwards now. And see who your true enemy is/was. It was never Russia and Trump. It was always the last administration and IC who said you, the American public, don't get to pick their leadership or have a say in our foreign policy agenda. 

 

 

 

That look when you realize you've been lied to for two years by Obama, Clinton, Brennan, Clapper, the NYT, CNN, MSNBC, the Washington Post, the LA Times, NBC, ABC, CBS, and the AP: 

 

 

 

... NPCinPhilly - still almost three years behind the curve. 

 

All he needed to do to see the truth was read the primary source information for himself rather than outsource his critical thinking skills to Seth Abramson and others in the MSM who have proven to be liars and propagandists. 

[Bob in Mich]

17 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

You know what you want to see. You don't even have to look any farther than this weekend to realize where the divisiveness remains.

 

Since last Friday, countless politicians, news orgs and celebrities have been writing about, reporting on, and tweeting about Trump calling asylum-seeking immigrants as 'animals.' I even have a friend on Facebook show a photo of herself and kids at the Statue of Liberty on April 1, and underneath it writes, "Five days later, Trump calls immigrants 'animals.' "

 

They all ran with a story even they KNEW it was not only a year old video, but he was specifically referring to MS-13 gangbangers.

 

There is literally no denying this happened..

 

Trump undoubtedly pokes the bear, but the bear got him elected, and it's pissing its pants because they made Hillary lose to a giant, orange, peanut-shaped marshmallow. 

 

Did you quote me by mistake?  Day drinking can be fun.  I think it is time enough here too.  Thanks for the idea.  BRB

 

If you are in any way saying that Trump is not divisive, you have been drinking for a long time already, haven't you ?

Edited April 9, 2019 by Bob in Mich

[keepthefaith]

45 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Ok...fair. 

But

 

1) if that is the case, why the ever loving hell was it a good idea to shout an entirely incomplete report from the rooftops if not to cover for his boss. If anything, it made sense to wait longer to ensure that the conclusions could be backed up, rather than come out with a conclusion that couldn't. Unless, you know...he was going for a coverup?

 

2) Barr got his job by publishing a memo about how wrongheaded he thought the investigation was. You know, the independent one he was asked to summarize? Where he himself injected his own opinion, while the independent investigator had wanted to have the facts displayed...sounds like...a coverup.

 

Again, if Hillary did this, ya'll would have stroked out.

 

We really don't need the report at all.  Mueller and several Trump haters spent almost 2 years investigating Russian interference and they charged people with crimes along the way.  Those indictments, their nature, the court filings supporting them and the lack of prosecutions related to the broadly reported suspicions tell us everything we should know and none of that is filtered through the media or elected officials. 

Edited April 9, 2019 by keepthefaith

[IDBillzFan]

3 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Did you quote me by mistake?  Day drinking can be fun.  I think it is time enough here too.  Thanks for the idea.  BRB

 

If you are in any way saying that Trump is not divisive, you have been drinking for a long time already, haven't you ?

 

Sorry. I responded to someone I thought could think for themselves and have a conversation.

 

My bad. I won't make that mistake twice.

 

Carry on.

[row_33]

13 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

We really don't need the report at all.  Mueller and several Trump haters spent almost 2 years investigating Russian interference and they charged people with crimes along the way.  Those indictments, their nature, the court filings supporting them and the lack of prosecutions related to the broadly reported suspicions tell us everything we should know and none of that is filtered through the media or elected officials. 

 

no leaks either, anything close to evidence would have been leaked to the media in a nanosecond the last 2 years

 

 

[Albwan]

Yahoo breaking news ...BARR STONEWALLING CONGRESS

wait wait "Kim Kardassian is wearing whaaaaaaaat, Oh no she didn't!"

[Buffalo_Gal]

34 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Why wouldn't I? This isn't partisan with me like it is with you. This has been a 2 1/2 year search for truth initiated by DR and initially disbelieved by a lot of us here. Between DR's information and some independent research, I finally came around to the conclusion that there was some illegal deep state shenanigans and a coup attempt. Next time you come down here you should do it with something more than foolish MSM and Leftist talking points to make your case. You've come down here several times and started a shitstorm based on ignorance. Is your memory so bad that you don't recognize that you'll be made a fool of if you come down here again unarmed?

You know, when I came down here I was shocked, truly shocked. I expected it to be a bunch of TDS lefty loons who believed that "Mueller will provide" the means to "get Trump!". I was hesitant to even look in PPP nevermind post down in this dungeon. And I got called an alter ego of @Deranged Rhino almost immediately (I should be so well informed!) because I knew what scummy shitbags Hillary Clinton, the Obama administration, the DNC,  the MSM, and the  collaborative deep staters were, and I hopped in quickly with my opinion expressing that with a few supporting articles and facts (well, I've always tried to be nicer than a name-caller). 

For me, it has always been about exposing the swamp and the MSM for the partisan hacks they are - and my very real belief that the United States "as we know it" was done if this cronyism was not exposed (I never, ever expected what has been found!). Treason is not a term to be used loosely, and yet that is exactly what appears to have happened... but not by President Trump.  This really was a soft-coup attempt. And now it is time-up for the conspirators. 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

I did provide an example.  The opioid crisis remains unaddressed and is now supposedly because 'drugs are pouring over the southern border'.  Certainly much supply is coming in there but the problem of hooking new users belongs squarely here.  Trump has vilified immigrants for this problem.  Demand is what needs to be addressed, imo.  Trump's administration has failed here.

 

Yes, I agree Trump is all about business succeeding.  While businesses drive our economy and their success is hugely important for all of us, in the minds of many of us, business concerns should not always rise above all other concerns.  Many Americans think that climate change should be a concern, the environment should be a concern, our moral high ground should be a concern, caring for the elderly, refugees, and the less fortunate should be a concern, etc.  'Run like a business', yes to an extent though cutting the dead wood is essentially cutting Americans or their causes that are slowing us down.  This has resulted in many Americans thinking that Trump does not care about them or their wishes.

 

The president needs to take care of all Americans.  He should cast no Americans overboard in the name of streamlining.

 

Wait so Trump is blaming our opioid crisis on Mexicans?  So Trump in blaming people becoming hooked on Mexicans?  Quite the leap there Bob. Who is Trump blaming for not addressing the demand?  Would that be the Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Muslims?  

 

Regarding the highlighted.   Just because a lot of people think that Trump doesn't care for them or their wishes doesn't mean that it's true.  It's not the Presidents job to "take care" of all Americans. Again, what does that even mean?  

[Albwan]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

Why wouldn't I? This isn't partisan with me like it is with you. This has been a 2 1/2 year search for truth initiated by DR and initially disbelieved by a lot of us here. Between DR's information and some independent research, I finally came around to the conclusion that there was some illegal deep state shenanigans and a coup attempt. Next time you come down here you should do it with something more than foolish MSM and Leftist talking points to make your case. You've come down here several times and started a shitstorm based on ignorance. Is your memory so bad that you don't recognize that you'll be made a fool of if you come down here again unarmed?

Holy &^%^ing ^%$^ batman

[DC Tom]

 

[Bob in Mich]

12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Wait so Trump is blaming our opioid crisis on Mexicans?  So Trump in blaming people becoming hooked on Mexicans?  Quite the leap there Bob. Who is Trump blaming for not addressing the demand?  Would that be the Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Muslims?  

 

Regarding the highlighted.   Just because a lot of people think that Trump doesn't care for them or their wishes doesn't mean that it's true.  It's not the Presidents job to "take care" of all Americans. Again, what does that even mean?  

 

Yes, Trump is trying to blame our problems and his failures on others.  Not a leap at all.  Trump is now blaming our opiate problem on drugs pouring over the southern border.

 

Well, just to refresh, this is where the discussion with you began.  

 

Jim asked:

1. What majority of Americans does Trump hate?

2.  Why does he hate them?

3.  What are you basing that statement on?

[Deranged Rhino]

6 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Yes, Trump is trying to blame our problems and his failures on others.  Not a leap at all.  Trump is now blaming our opiate problem on drugs pouring over the southern border.

 

Well, just to refresh, this is where the discussion with you began.  

 

Jim asked:

1. What majority of Americans does Trump hate?

2.  Why does he hate them?

3.  What are you basing that statement on?

 

Actually he asked for specifics:

 

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Ok so let's address some of this:

 

1. You say that Trump blames others when HE fails.  I think he's blaming others when WE as a country fail or more to the point have challenges succeeding.  Please point out a Trump failure that he has  blamed on:

        A. Mexicans

        B.  Puerto Ricans

        C. Muslims

        D. Other foreigners

 

2.   Explain who Trump has "cast off in life boats"? What does that even mean?  All those examples you site were done to help the country and improve the economy not hurt people.  Were people hurt by some of those?  Likely but these are being done or considered, in my opinion and I'm assuming Trump's, for the greater good of the country.  It's how business works and we need to look at this country more as  a business.  The old addition by subtraction.  Cut costs and streamline.  It's how you succeed.  The US has a P&L statement just like any company but it's the most ugly P&L statement ever created in the history of P&L's statements.  Yes, yes I know the US is not a for profit company but damn unless we cut costs we are so screwed.  

 

 

 

You wont provide specifics... Wonder why?

 

(no I don't)

[Chef Jim]

12 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Yes, Trump is trying to blame our problems and his failures on others.  Not a leap at all.  Trump is now blaming our opiate problem on drugs pouring over the southern border.

 

Well, just to refresh, this is where the discussion with you began.  

 

Jim asked:

1. What majority of Americans does Trump hate?

2.  Why does he hate them?

3.  What are you basing that statement on?

 

Yes and you responded by saying Trump blames his failures on Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Muslims and Other Foreigners.  When I asked for specific instances you gave some story about him blaming our opioid addition on the border.  First question.  Is the opioid epidemic HIS failure?  If so how? Next who is he blaming for this failure?   Would that be Mexicans, Salvadorans, Hodurans, Nicaraguans.......?   And if so please point out where he SPECIFICALLY blamed the opioid epidemic on those.  You're so bunged up about our national addiction to prescribed narcotics that it is the root of every problem.   

 

So other than the opioid epidemic what other failures is he blaming on others?  

Edited April 9, 2019 by Chef Jim

[Deranged Rhino]

Special counsel Robert Mueller has settled the collusion issue, concluding (like House and Senate Intelligence committee Republicans before him) that there was no Trump-Russia conspiracy.

 

But Barr used a question from Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-Ala.) to signal that he wants to go further than Mueller or the IG to determine whether the counterintelligence probe was legit from the start.

 

“The Office of the Inspector General has a pending investigation of the FISA process in the Russia investigation. I expect that will be complete in probably May or June, I am told,” Barr explained, giving the first concrete timetable for the IG probe to wrap up. “So hopefully we'll have some answers from Inspector General Horowitz on the issue of the FISA warrants.”

 

Then Barr volunteered his bigger news: “More generally, I am reviewing the conduct of the investigation and trying to get my arms around all the aspects of the counterintelligence investigation that was conducted during the summer of 2016.”

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

(It can't be stopped)

[njbuff]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

(It can't be stopped)

 

How will the conspiracy theorists at MSNBC and CNN cover this up and/or totally ignore it?

[whatdrought]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

 

How will the conspiracy theorists at MSNBC and CNN cover this up and/or totally ignore it?

 

Don't you know? Barr was cherry picked by Trump, whose only in the White House because he colluded with Putin- which is true and will remain true until I see the Mueller report in it's full, at which point I will demand to see the Mueller report that wasn't doctored by Trump, Don Jr. and Barr. It's all fruit from the poison tree and Hillary won the Presidency and the Electoral College is racist and I hate white people. 

[Nanker]

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

Things gonna get interesting... very interesting. 

[Deranged Rhino]

And now the NYT is in panic mode: 

 

(worth the time for the whole thread)

[Deranged Rhino]

And the spin begins: 

 

She should be worried. This won't fly. Gonna have to do better. 

 

Can't wait to see which buzzword is repeated in tomorrow morning's media drops... 

 

(if only there was some way to have seen this coming)

[Nanker]

NYT did a crappy job of following up beyond the testimony Barr dropped on the panel today. 

It wasn’t just wiretapping Page. They completely ignore the 2-deep circle that would allow them to wiretap everyone in the Trump camp. And, not for the last time, I’ll ask: If Carter Page was a “Russian Spy,” then why was he never apprehended and charged and imprisoned? 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Nanker said:

NYT did a crappy job of following up beyond the testimony Barr dropped on the panel today. 

It wasn’t just wiretapping Page. They completely ignore the 2-deep circle that would allow them to wiretap everyone in the Trump camp. And, not for the last time, I’ll ask: If Carter Page was a “Russian Spy,” then why was he never apprehended and charged and imprisoned? 

 

Both are key questions to ask/be reminded of. 

 

The most infuriating part of this whole saga for me has been the complete abandonment of principles on the left/independent circles with regards to mass surveillance over reach. I'm talking about the honest, well intentioned minds in those crowds, not the pundits. They were rightfully outraged in 2013 when Snowden revealed what many had already known about the powers and abuses in the mass surveillance apparatus. Whether or not you like Trump or despise him, what happened in the 2016 election (or almost happened) was the absolute worst case scenario in terms of abusing that system. A handful of intelligence officials and politicians abused the system to spy on their political opposition, and when that failed, to overturn the results of a legal election. 

 

I really thought (and still have some hope) that as those people start to wake up to the lie that's been foisted upon them over the past two years this would become a unifying issue. It still may, we're still in the early days of the boomerang/disclosure of how egregious these abuses were to the general public. 

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

I really thought (and still have some hope) that as those people start to wake up to the lie that's been foisted upon them over the past two years this would become a unifying issue. It still may, we're still in the early days of the boomerang/disclosure of how egregious these abuses were to the general public. 

 

And I've always thought you've been delusional in that regard.  The whole history of this is people choosing what they want to believe.  Not any objective truth.  There is no indication that's changing.

[row_33]

18 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

And I've always thought you've been delusional in that regard.  The whole history of this is people choosing what they want to believe.  Not any objective truth.  There is no indication that's changing.

 

They were ready to steal everything their grubby hands could carry away under 8 years of Hillary’s Administration

 

and it’s all gone and they can’t deal with it

 

So they are going to piss on everything they can imagine to try to destroy

 

Edited April 10, 2019 by row_33