Tommy Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) The $45M remaining in current cap space per Spotrac.com isn't currently accounting for Frank Gore, Kevin Johnson, or Ty Nsekhe, nor is it accounting for the money needed to sign draft picks or sign free agents throughout the year as injuries occur. I'd guess we have more like $20-25M or so at the moment in available cap space if we're talking about signing new free agents right now. Edited March 12, 2019 by Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Tommy said: The $45M remaining in current cap space per Spotrac.com isn't currently accounting for Frank Gore, Kevin Johnson, or Ty Nsekhe, nor is it accounting for the money needed to sign draft picks or sign free agents throughout the year as injuries occur. I'd guess we have more like $20-25M or so at the moment in available cap space if we're talking about signing new free agents right now. Looking at about $10 million for picks and about $10ish for the remaining three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Get me Ziggy Ansah and a couple more special team players and we are good to go till the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 Only waiting on contracts for : 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) Does this include NY state filing fees? If not we are broke.. Edited March 14, 2019 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 55 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Only waiting on contracts for : Almost no risk with that contract. And first round talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 So more then enough to sign Ziggie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Can we double check the maths? 45 mil -10 for rooks - 10 carry into the season - 7 for Ty - 2 for Gore - 4 for feliciano - 2 for roberts. Thats 7 left for a contract. Without cuts to Ivory and Ducasse. I think enough to get one big contract done but not much more. The cover 1 guys think its a DL or DE. I think they are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 minute ago, YattaOkasan said: Can we double check the maths? 45 mil -10 for rooks - 10 carry into the season - 7 for Ty - 2 for Gore - 4 for feliciano - 2 for roberts. Thats 7 left for a contract. Without cuts to Ivory and Ducasse. I think enough to get one big contract done but not much more. The cover 1 guys think its a DL or DE. I think they are right. There are lots of ways to maneuver around the cap - we have plenty of room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: There are lots of ways to maneuver around the cap - we have plenty of room Agreed we can maneuver. But based on the available cap and the front loaded contracts we've given; do you see us giving out more than one big contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 Just now, YattaOkasan said: Agreed we can maneuver. But based on the available cap and the front loaded contracts we've given; do you see us giving out more than one big contract? Hell no - we will do 1 if it is right. I don't see us giving up picks My guess is that we will look to see who gets cut in the coming days/weeks and sign a few value contracts if there is anything worth going after. After that we go into the draft, grab players, make some cuts based on the draft and sign sign other teams post draft cuts. Then we will make sure we have enough numbers for camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Just now, Reed83HOF said: Hell no - we will do 1 if it is right. I don't see us giving up picks My guess is that we will look to see who gets cut in the coming days/weeks and sign a few value contracts if there is anything worth going after. After that we go into the draft, grab players, make some cuts based on the draft and sign sign other teams post draft cuts. Then we will make sure we have enough numbers for camp. Agreed. I just saw some wild numbers being thrown around in the thread. Wanted to pump the brakes a bit. As I said I think they can maneuver. Also thanks for putting this together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 minute ago, YattaOkasan said: Agreed. I just saw some wild numbers being thrown around in the thread. Wanted to pump the brakes a bit. As I said I think they can maneuver. Also thanks for putting this together. As of now it is about $10 million for rookies, and I think you are damn close on the other contracts ($7 mill for Ty + $2 mill for Gore + $4mill for feliciano +$2 for Roberts) = is $25 mill projected to be spent. $43 mill - $25 mill = $18 million left. I would expect that we want to roll money forward as well, but everything is dependent on who we want to go after; there is plenty to go around if need be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) It is truly incredible what Beane has accomplished in this UFA period. The "pay as you go" model he has employed has given us incredible flexibility in the coming years, with the "worst" cap hit we'd have next year if we were to cut a newly-signed player (aside from Morse) being Cole Beasley at $4.5m, netting a savings of $2.6m. If John Brown were to bust, for example, his dead cap number would be $3.2m and net us $6.5m in savings. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2020/ Amazing... Edited March 14, 2019 by N.Y. Orangeman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) On 3/12/2019 at 2:05 PM, Foxx said: we need to save some for next year... BILLS 2020 CAP TOTALS Maximum Salary Cap:$188,200,000 Active Contracts:$101,447,498 Total Cap:$101,447,498 Est. Cap Space:$86,752,502 yup they are down to $98 Mil for 2020 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2020/ Edited March 14, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: BILLS 2020 CAP TOTALS Maximum Salary Cap:$188,200,000 Active Contracts:$101,447,498 Total Cap:$101,447,498 Est. Cap Space:$86,752,502 Plenty of cashola 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 How does it make sense to roll over money to next year if we are in fact in a projected great cap situation next year? It is not like you are getting interest on cap roll overs. Spend it now and make this season count. Otherwise a foolish waste of resources needed to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: It is truly incredible what Beane has accomplished in this UFA period. The "pay as you go" model he has employed has given us incredible flexibility in the coming years, with the "worst" cap hit we'd have next year if we were to cut a newly-signed player (aside from Morse) being Cole Beasley at $4.5m, netting a savings of $2.6m. If John Brown were to bust, for example, his dead cap number would be $3.2m and net us $6.5m in savings. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2020/ Amazing... It is outstanding, plus if we really wanted to squeeze other players they can get creative, but if we don't have to they won't. It's nice to have an owner with deep pockets as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Just now, simpleman said: How does it make sense to roll over money to next year if we are in fact in a projected great cap situation next year? It is not like you are getting interest on cap roll overs. Spend it now and make this season count. Otherwise a foolish waste of resources needed to win. I believe it was sarcasm to roll it over but I've been known to be wrong now and then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: BILLS 2020 CAP TOTALS Maximum Salary Cap:$188,200,000 Active Contracts:$101,447,498 Total Cap:$101,447,498 Est. Cap Space:$86,752,502 yup they are down to $98 Mil for 2020 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2020/ Cut Trent Murphy.....$105m... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) Also the site identified about 36 active contracts for 2020 and 17 players under contract for 2021 BILLS 2021 CAP TOTALS Maximum Salary Cap:$188,200,000 Active Contracts:$73,165,633 Total Cap:$73,165,633 Est. Cap Space:$115,034,367 Edited March 14, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 minute ago, simpleman said: How does it make sense to roll over money to next year if we are in fact in a projected great cap situation next year? It is not like you are getting interest on cap roll overs. Spend it now and make this season count. Otherwise a foolish waste of resources needed to win. Don't spend it on crappy players, but you also have to look at expiring contracts such as Jerry Hughes = roll over $10 million next season and that gives you can "extra" $10 million next season to give him as a bonus payable in year one, which cuts down on dead cap if he has to be cut free later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Just now, N.Y. Orangeman said: Cut Trent Murphy.....$105m... the Bills may keep him this season to get over the Leagues Minimum spending cap # 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) Also, we rolled over $8.7 to this cap, which cancels out our dead cap coincidentally Edited March 14, 2019 by Reed83HOF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 It's 12:30 in the afternoon now. No signings announced today yet! What's Beane doing, out playing golf? What a deplorable front office!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: It's 12:30 in the afternoon now. No signings announced today yet! What's Beane doing, out playing golf? What a deplorable front office!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 hour ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: It is truly incredible what Beane has accomplished in this UFA period. The "pay as you go" model he has employed has given us incredible flexibility in the coming years, with the "worst" cap hit we'd have next year if we were to cut a newly-signed player (aside from Morse) being Cole Beasley at $4.5m, netting a savings of $2.6m. If John Brown were to bust, for example, his dead cap number would be $3.2m and net us $6.5m in savings. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2020/ Amazing... Ironically, there’s a good bit of overlap between this new found “pay as you go” and the much maligned “cash to cap” in that you aren’t amortizing big bonuses to reduce cap hit and create space at the expense of flexibility to cut. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: the Bills may keep him this season to get over the Leagues Minimum spending cap # No need to do that....lets trade for Duke Johnson with one of those latter 10 picks and pick up his contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 The next round of activity is likely to be a wait and see who gets cut from other teams situation. Beane does not seem eager to spend every dime available and I would have to guess he is leaving some money available to take actions later. I really can’t wait for the draft because if it is solid camp will be really interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Ironically, there’s a good bit of overlap between this new found “pay as you go” and the much maligned “cash to cap” in that you aren’t amortizing big bonuses to reduce cap hit and create space at the expense of flexibility to cut. Yes.........but of course nowadays most teams have tons of cap space and are no longer pushing cap hits down the road the way they were then. Back then the Bills were basically tying one hand behind their back in a league where you had to pay big signing bonuses because NOBODY was guaranteeing base salaries back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 On 3/12/2019 at 2:04 PM, John from Riverside said: There are guys that can still be released for more savings as well still Which brings up the question: Why hasn't McCoy been cut? Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Just now, first_and_ten said: Which brings up the question: Why hasn't McCoy been cut? Am I missing something? I think the thought process is his down year last year was because our OL was putrid We will see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I think the thought process is his down year last year was because our OL was putrid We will see That is true, but he has a 9 million dollar cap hit. They could get a younger player for more then half that. He looked like he lost a step last year. He was missing holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkep32 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 down to 42.8mil per spotrac, but gore (2mil), roberts (2.5mil), ty(6-7mil???), Feliciano (4mil) are not in yet. Just not sure on what tys contract was should put us around 27mil with 10 going to rookies, gives us still 17mil. I think the bills are done with FA. They made a ton of moves over the last few days. Im really excited about what OBD has done. Team will look totally different next season and we have some nice draft capital coming up. I would have to say bills will be looking at DT/DE at pick 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, bkep32 said: down to 42.8mil per spotrac, but gore (2mil), roberts (2.5mil), ty(6-7mil???), Feliciano (4mil) are not in yet. Just not sure on what tys contract was should put us around 27mil with 10 going to rookies, gives us still 17mil. I think the bills are done with FA. They made a ton of moves over the last few days. Im really excited about what OBD has done. Team will look totally different next season and we have some nice draft capital coming up. I would have to say bills will be looking at DT/DE at pick 9. Unless something changes which it litterly could at any moment, then I would agree that DT / DE look like a need at 9. There are so many possibilities though. A star DT or Pass rusher would all but finish the Defense but a star TE or LT would be so great for Allen. I think I want a TE but my mind says D / O line. Man it's gonna be fun ?. Edited March 15, 2019 by Mark92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkep32 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, Mark92 said: Unless something changes which it litterly could at any moment, then I would agree that DT / DE look like a need at 9. There are so many possibilities though. A star DT or Pass rusher would all but finish the Defense but a star TE or LT would be so great for Allen. I think I want a TE but my mind says D / O line. Man it's gonna be fun ?. TE maybe at 40 but not 9. TE usually dont make an impact til year 2 or 3. I think we can get Fant or the kid from georgia at 40. With all this work in FA it gives us the freedom to do what the regime feels is the BPA. I Cant wait til April 25th the excitement is gunna build til then, my wife is already calling me a weirdo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, bkep32 said: TE maybe at 40 but not 9. TE usually dont make an impact til year 2 or 3. I think we can get Fant or the kid from georgia at 40. With all this work in FA it gives us the freedom to do what the regime feels is the BPA. I Cant wait til April 25th the excitement is gunna build til then, my wife is already calling me a weirdo. Then they arent good TE's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: The next round of activity is likely to be a wait and see who gets cut from other teams situation. Beane does not seem eager to spend every dime available and I would have to guess he is leaving some money available to take actions later. I really can’t wait for the draft because if it is solid camp will be really interesting. Do players oftentimes get cut this time of year? (Between the first wave of FA and draft.) For whatever reason I don't remember that in years past, but I could be wrong. Edited March 15, 2019 by junior12thman92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 minute ago, junior12thman92 said: Do players oftentimes get cut this time of year? (Between the first wave of FA and draft.) For whatever reason I don't remember that in years past, but I could be wrong. I am talking about through the end of preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkep32 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Then they arent good TE's Then you dont know how to evlaulate the TE postion. George kittle, 5th rnd, season 2, 1377 yards 88 rec, 1st season only 40 rec. Gronk 2nd rnd pick, 2nd season 90 balls 1300 yards 17 tds. In 2017 3 TE went in first round, engram, howard and njoku. They all had flashes of being good there 1st year but nothing i would write home to mom about and even their 2nd year wasnt great. So to say they arent good is a broad and useless statement. In the NFL it take a good TE to usually pick up the NFL game in 2 to 3 years. Next time know what you are talking about before just coming up with a blanket statement. Correction Evan engram could write home to momma cuz he was the 1st rookie TE in 15 years to eclipse 600 yards his rookie season and ended up with 722. in the NFL the TE postion need to know blocking scheme of the Oline and know how to run the route tree of the WR. With all the concepts/schemes/match ups it usually takes 2 to 3 years for the TE to catch up to the NFL style of play regardless of how "good" you are. Edited March 15, 2019 by bkep32 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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