BillyWhiteShows Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 This whole AB situation got me thinking. What happens if the Bills pulled the trigger on Brown and traded for him, despite the fact that he said he wouldn’t report. Once the trade is consummated, if a player refuses to report to the team that traded for him and sits out an entire season (a la Bell) can the team void the trade? If they can’t void the trade then it shows how players ultimately hold the power....not the GM or team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Technically teams trade contracts - not players - so if a deal was made in good faith, then there would have to be a clause regarding alternate compensation or reversal. I do not know how common that is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I believe not unless the transaction paperwork submitted to league specifies terms if player refuses to report 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan5121 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 This would be tough because if brown sat out the year, what would happen to the pick the Steelers made with the traded asset? I guess technically the trade could maybe have language that says something about buffalo getting Pitts 1st in 2020 if Brown doesn’t report, and Pitt gets his contract back and rights back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Every trade has language about passing a physical If the player never shows up, he doesn't pass, and the trade is voided. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I believe the player has to pass a physical before the trade is official. If he didn't report, the trade wouldn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I dont know, what happened when Darwin Walker did it to us? I feel like we still lost our picks, but got some back when we traded him to a team he wanted to play for, think it was the Bears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 38 minutes ago, unbillievable said: Every trade has language about passing a physical If the player never shows up, he doesn't pass, and the trade is voided. I believe this is correct-I know it has happened before but I am not certain it is in every contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 44 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: I dont know, what happened when Darwin Walker did it to us? I feel like we still lost our picks, but got some back when we traded him to a team he wanted to play for, think it was the Bears? Amazing that the guy didn't show up - we dumped him for a 5th that we used to package to get stroud. But the original trade was walker + 7th for takeo spikes and holcomb. And somehow that 7th was Stevie Johnson. So I think we won a trade, where the guy we traded for didn't even show up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, BillyWhiteShows said: This whole AB situation got me thinking. What happens if the Bills pulled the trigger on Brown and traded for him, despite the fact that he said he wouldn’t report. Once the trade is consummated, if a player refuses to report to the team that traded for him and sits out an entire season (a la Bell) can the team void the trade? If they can’t void the trade then it shows how players ultimately hold the power....not the GM or team. Great question.. I would GUESS every team has one of their attorneys review every contract..at least I would hope they would. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said: This whole AB situation got me thinking. What happens if the Bills pulled the trigger on Brown and traded for him, despite the fact that he said he wouldn’t report. Once the trade is consummated, if a player refuses to report to the team that traded for him and sits out an entire season (a la Bell) can the team void the trade? If they can’t void the trade then it shows how players ultimately hold the power....not the GM or team. If he were to report for a physical and pass he could still refuse to play. In that scenario, the team a player is traded to has to deal with that issue. That's why it makes sense that the Bills said no to the deal because they didn't talk to Brown's camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Brown would develop hamstring issues much like Jairus Byrd developed foot issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Man.. sometimes being a genius and knowing how to use google/wikipedia is a curse.... On March 3, 2007, Plummer was traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for a 2008 conditional draft pick. However, rumors began to surface that Plummer was going to choose retirement over competition with the Buccaneers' four other quarterbacks on the roster (Bruce Gradkowski, Tim Rattay, Jeff Garcia, and Luke McCown).[14] On March 9, Plummer ended the speculation by announcing his decision to retire.[2]Plummer also confirmed his retirement through the Jake Plummer Foundation's website.[15] Since he was still under contract to the Buccaneers and had already been given his contract signing bonus, Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden met with Plummer in July to try to convince him to reconsider and report for training camp.[2][16] However, the attempt was unsuccessful and the team sued for recovery of the bonus. A settlement was finally reached on June 10, 2008 in which Plummer was required to pay back $3.5 million to the Buccaneers.[17] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, gobills1212 said: Man.. sometimes being a genius and knowing how to use google/wikipedia is a curse.... On March 3, 2007, Plummer was traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for a 2008 conditional draft pick. However, rumors began to surface that Plummer was going to choose retirement over competition with the Buccaneers' four other quarterbacks on the roster (Bruce Gradkowski, Tim Rattay, Jeff Garcia, and Luke McCown).[14] On March 9, Plummer ended the speculation by announcing his decision to retire.[2]Plummer also confirmed his retirement through the Jake Plummer Foundation's website.[15] Since he was still under contract to the Buccaneers and had already been given his contract signing bonus, Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden met with Plummer in July to try to convince him to reconsider and report for training camp.[2][16] However, the attempt was unsuccessful and the team sued for recovery of the bonus. A settlement was finally reached on June 10, 2008 in which Plummer was required to pay back $3.5 million to the Buccaneers.[17] That’s real nice but the article says nothing about compensation getting returned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, gobills1212 said: Man.. sometimes being a genius and knowing how to use google/wikipedia is a curse.... On March 3, 2007, Plummer was traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for a 2008 conditional draft pick. However, rumors began to surface that Plummer was going to choose retirement over competition with the Buccaneers' four other quarterbacks on the roster (Bruce Gradkowski, Tim Rattay, Jeff Garcia, and Luke McCown).[14] On March 9, Plummer ended the speculation by announcing his decision to retire.[2]Plummer also confirmed his retirement through the Jake Plummer Foundation's website.[15] Since he was still under contract to the Buccaneers and had already been given his contract signing bonus, Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden met with Plummer in July to try to convince him to reconsider and report for training camp.[2][16] However, the attempt was unsuccessful and the team sued for recovery of the bonus. A settlement was finally reached on June 10, 2008 in which Plummer was required to pay back $3.5 million to the Buccaneers.[17] If you were a genius, you would have understood that the original question was regarding the compensation the other team received for him in the trade, not salary or bonus money paid. And unless specifically specified in the deal (which no ones going to agree to), once the trade is official, it's a done deal, unless it can be found that the other team committed some kind of fraud or they agree to alter the terms of the deal. Most players will at least report because they don't want to lose money or be seen as being an issue and try to work out a deal with the new team to get flipped, or a better deal to make them happy. If AB didn't say last night he would refuse to play in Buffalo, there's a chance the Bills could have lost a pick and draft position just to hold ABs rights..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) Man... now i gotta post the rest of it too?!? On March, 2, 2007, Plummer faxed a letter to the NFL office stating his intention to retire. The next day, the Broncos traded his contractual rights to the Bucs in exchange for a fourth-round selection in the 2008 draft if he played, or a seventh-rounder if he didn’t. Plummer indeed retired, and the Broncos used the seventh-round draft choice they acquired from Tampa Bay to select fullback Peyton Hillis. The Bucs, in return, are expected to get $3.5 million of Plummer’s signing bonus for a seventh-round pick Conditions conditions conditions... i guess i just kinda thought it was assumed as it was mentioned and the money stuff w the bonuses is the interesting part. Edited March 9, 2019 by gobills1212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Perhaps Beane asked for a letter of intent from AB and couldn't get it. Just a guess, but in a trade of this magnitude, I think that would be a smart move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 With all this being said, didn’t Dri Archer do the same thing to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: With all this being said, didn’t Dri Archer do the same thing to us? Wasn't he just a waiver claim though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, gobills1212 said: Man... now i gotta post the rest of it too?!? On March, 2, 2007, Plummer faxed a letter to the NFL office stating his intention to retire. The next day, the Broncos traded his contractual rights to the Bucs in exchange for a fourth-round selection in the 2008 draft if he played, or a seventh-rounder if he didn’t. Plummer indeed retired, and the Broncos used the seventh-round draft choice they acquired from Tampa Bay to select fullback Peyton Hillis. The Bucs, in return, are expected to get $3.5 million of Plummer’s signing bonus for a seventh-round pick Conditions conditions conditions... i guess i just kinda thought it was assumed as it was mentioned and the money stuff w the bonuses is the interesting part. And that's how Peyton Hillis, one of the best one hit wonders, got into the NFL... I love the circles of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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