BringBackFergy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Ummm, please tell me @plenzmd1 was AWOL tonight. And let’s hope he stays the hell away from this team for another two months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: Great win, man where has that team been for 30 games ( cough, cough Housley). But really nice game by the fellas. Freaking no gain on Columbus tonight They will be trading Bob and Bread soon. No worries. Edited February 13, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Not really a big Sabres fan in the way I like the Bills but always nice to see them step it up. Only 2 points back of a playoff spot. Seems the Rangers always give the Sabres fits though. Look forward to Friday’s game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: Great win, man where has that team been for 30 games ( cough, cough Housley). But really nice game by the fellas. Freaking no gain on Columbus tonight That's okay! NOT a 3-point game and stalls the Capitals at 69 points. It was a gain on the Caps. Only one team B.Jacs and Caps (even Pens/Canes) can have that spot in divison. Just keep on winning in regulation Sabres AND one team when others play Eastern Conference foes! Edited February 13, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, JohnC said: My first star would go to Ullmark for his timely fantastic saves. My next star goes to Jack. His pass to Pommer was exquisite. My third star would be shared by Larrson and his line. He stole a goal from Okposo. This line battles and battles. This was a tight checking playoff type game that didn't allow for much room for the offense. The defenders from both teams tightly checked their men when the opposition had the puck and didn't allow much space to maneuver. This was a grinding type of game that most casual fans wouldn't enjoy because of the limited scoring chances. But I consider this one of the Sabres best game of the season because they played hard from the beginning to the end. I'm not sure how much playing time Huntwick got but I thought he was very steady and efficient. He smartly plays within his limits. You have to give the Islanders credit for their consistent hard play. From an entertainment standpoint you are not getting much bang for your dollar. This is a reflection of the Lou Lamorella (sic) school of hockey. Barzal is really good. Barzal is an electrifying player indeed. Made losing Tavares less painful to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 9 hours ago, K-9 said: Barzal is an electrifying player indeed. Made losing Tavares less painful to be sure. The Lou Lamoriello and Trotz effect has transformed a reeling franchise with the loss of Tavares to a playoff secured team. Watching the Islanders you see a team where everyone is committed to defense first. This is a playoff style of play. The negative side to that suffocating defensive style of play is that from an entertaining standpoint it is joyless. This Islander brand of game is not comparable to Lou's Jersey Devil brand of hockey of trapping because with the Islanders there is more north/south play and less plugging the middle. I'm a Sabre fan and I like good hockey. But the reality of yesterday's game was that although the game was intense throughout there were few scoring chances. If I had to watch this style of hockey all the time I would be less enthusiastic about the sport. There is a lot of great offensive players in this league. In this style of play the creativity of the players is suppressed. I came away from this big win very conflicted about the game and the entertainment value. The reality is this is not the brand of hockey I would want to watch all the time. And I'm aware that playoff hockey is qualitatively different from regular season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 11 hours ago, bdutton said: Great game by everyone. Ullmark deserves to start 90% of the games imo. I just wish I could figure out why it took them so long to realize that Ullmark deserves more playing time. Along with that change, hopefully Hutton can return to his typical form if he starts getting the ice time more consistent with his career role. It give me some level of hope that this coaching staff can evolve and not stay locked into what is clearly not working. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, JohnC said: The Lou Lamoriello and Trotz effect has transformed a reeling franchise with the loss of Tavares to a playoff secured team. Do you find any irony in this post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 This may upset some around here and it’s not my intention to pee on the parade after last night’s effort, but something just continues to bring bile to my throat. That is the rhetoric, especially from team leaders like Pominville and Okposo, referencing all these “this time of year” cliches. Enough already! “This time of year” hockey starts in early October. Period. And if you can’t bring playoff intensity early in the season, there’s a better than even chance you won’t have it later on. It ALL counts, starting from opening night puck drop. You’d think veterans of many years would understand that and impart the message to younger players who think they have an entire 82 games to figure it out. God, I miss Drury and Briere! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, GG said: Do you find any irony in this post? Absolutely not! You can take your Italian Lou dinosaur approach to hockey and watch robotic hockey. The problem with these rigid and soulless systems is that it kills the product and results in talented players wanting out and talented players not wanting in. If you think that Eichel would relish playing this brand of hockey you are mistaken. If he had problems with Bylsma and his structured system how do you think he would tolerate the old school Lou system? If you find this type of suffocating hockey entertaining then good for you. It's not something I would find acceptable. If it were the case I would exercise my prerogative and change the channel to watch a college game. No thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, K-9 said: This may upset some around here and it’s not my intention to pee on the parade after last night’s effort, but something just continues to bring bile to my throat. That is the rhetoric, especially from team leaders like Pominville and Okposo, referencing all these “this time of year” cliches. Enough already! “This time of year” hockey starts in early October. Period. And if you can’t bring playoff intensity early in the season, there’s a better than even chance you won’t have it later on. It ALL counts, starting from opening night puck drop. You’d think veterans of many years would understand that and impart the message to younger players who think they have an entire 82 games to figure it out. God, I miss Drury and Briere! As an Islander fan I've been lurking on this thread the past few days. First of all, congrats on the win last night, Islanders were out-played. But I gotta disagree with you that "this time of year" is just a tired cliche with no validity. Just a few weeks ago when the Islanders were in the middle of a hot streak, Trotz took the Islanders down a peg saying that the team needed to ramp up the intensity in the upcoming weeks and they couldn't make a playoff run at the intensity level they were playing at. He made his statement on January 15 after the Islanders had won 9 of 11 games. BTW, how do you guys like Okposo? He was a favorite of mine from his rookie year. Although I always wanted to see him score more, I was disappointed when he moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 46 minutes ago, JohnC said: Absolutely not! You can take your Italian Lou dinosaur approach to hockey and watch robotic hockey. The problem with these rigid and soulless systems is that it kills the product and results in talented players wanting out and talented players not wanting in. If you think that Eichel would relish playing this brand of hockey you are mistaken. If he had problems with Bylsma and his structured system how do you think he would tolerate the old school Lou system? If you find this type of suffocating hockey entertaining then good for you. It's not something I would find acceptable. If it were the case I would exercise my prerogative and change the channel to watch a college game. No thank you! I love Lou Lamoriello hockey. Teams win when he's around. They don't win style points, but they win a helluva lot more games than they lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, snafu said: I love Lou Lamoriello hockey. Teams win when he's around. They don't win style points, but they win a helluva lot more games than they lose. You and I have different tastes. I hate his brand of hockey. Sports are supposed to be entertaining. This suffocating style of play is unwatchable, at least for me. Jeff Skinner does not sign a deal with a Lou influenced team. I can guarantee you that. Few talented free agents would be interested in playing for an organization promoting such an antiquated brand of hockey. I'm very confident in saying that Tavares is relieved that he doesn't have to play for a team run by this old school tight fisted boss. If you like watching this style of play then that's your choice. If the Sabres were winning with greater frequency playing that wretched way I would tune out. I'm not saying this to be dramatic. From an entertainment standpoint it is unappealing. I would not pay a penny for a ticket to watch such a grinding style of play that shackles the talents of the players. I have little interest in garbage hockey. If you want to kill this sport then make Italian Lou the commissioner. Some people are enthralled with the stone age. I'm not one of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: You and I have different tastes. I hate his brand of hockey. Sports are supposed to be entertaining. This suffocating style of play is unwatchable, at least for me. Jeff Skinner does not sign a deal with a Lou influenced team. I can guarantee you that. Few talented free agents would be interested in playing for an organization promoting such an antiquated brand of hockey. I'm very confident in saying that Tavares is relieved that he doesn't have to play for a team run by this old school tight fisted boss. If you like watching this style of play then that's your choice. If the Sabres were winning with greater frequency playing that wretched way I would tune out. I'm not saying this to be dramatic. From an entertainment standpoint it is unappealing. I would not pay a penny for a ticket to watch such a grinding style of play that shackles the talents of the players. I have little interest in garbage hockey. If you want to kill this sport then make Italian Lou the commissioner. Some people are enthralled with the stone age. I'm not one of them. You'd rather lose in an entertaining way? Besides, the NHL has done a pretty good job of neutralizing the Neutral Zone Trap that Lou employed in NJ. So his "style" isn't what you make it out to be these days. To each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, snafu said: You'd rather lose in an entertaining way? Besides, the NHL has done a pretty good job of neutralizing the Neutral Zone Trap that Lou employed in NJ. So his "style" isn't what you make it out to be these days. To each his own. The Sabres are not a losing team. They are an emerging team that is getting better. They are not there yet but their near term future is bright. (My opinion.) If I had to watch that grinding style of play that was exhibited yesterday on a full time basis I would tune out. I'm not criticizing your preference for a particular style of play. That's your choice. But for me I have little interest in watching the current Islander/Lou style of play. As I said in a prior post Skinner would not sign with a team that played that tight style of play. And neither would a lot of talented free agents want to play in such a rigid system. I'm not sure Jack would want to spend his career playing such a controlled system. Sports for me is an entertainment. When it isn't I change the channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Gotta say I'm on the @JohnC side of things regarding his discussion with @snafu. I need to be entertained, and there's no reason why that can't coincide with winning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 To me, winning IS entertainment. They could devise a system whereby the entire team crawls around the ice on hands and knees. If it turns out to be a winning system, I couldn't care less how it looks. If the team wins AND looks good in the process, that's just gravy. I bet that you and @JohnC would watch a boring-played ten game winning streak, and a boring-played deep playoff run. Like I said in my previous post: to each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, snafu said: To me, winning IS entertainment. They could devise a system whereby the entire team crawls around the ice on hands and knees. If it turns out to be a winning system, I couldn't care less how it looks. If the team wins AND looks good in the process, that's just gravy. I bet that you and @JohnC would watch a boring-played ten game winning streak, and a boring-played deep playoff run. Like I said in my previous post: to each his own. Maybe you could care less about a dreary style of play but hockey fans in other markets would not bother to watch that grinding style of play on a consistent basis. And I'm sure the people involved in selecting National and Canadian Hockey Nigh games would not select those suffocating teams to be showcased on their channels because few people would watch. If the style of play that we watched yesterday was replicated by all the hockey teams the NHL would be extinguished due to a lack of interest. You may be a purist. That's fine. For me, sports is about entertainment. If that type of game we witnessed happened with a great frequency I would not choose to watch. And I'm sure a lot of people would have the same sentiment. Again, I'm not saying you are wrong. All I'm saying is your preference is not my preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, JohnC said: Maybe you could care less about a dreary style of play but hockey fans in other markets would not bother to watch that grinding style of play on a consistent basis. And I'm sure the people involved in selecting National and Canadian Hockey Nigh games would not select those suffocating teams to be showcased on their channels because few people would watch. If the style of play that we watched yesterday was replicated by all the hockey teams the NHL would be extinguished due to a lack of interest. You may be a purist. That's fine. For me, sports is about entertainment. If that type of game we witnessed happened with a great frequency I would not choose to watch. And I'm sure a lot of people would have the same sentiment. Again, I'm not saying you are wrong. All I'm saying is your preference is not my preference. I don’t care about other markets and their fans. And as I stated, the NHL has pretty much legislated the trap out of the game — and what the rules changes didn’t accomplish, offensive strategy did. As to whether the US and Canadien tv brass would choose to televise, I don’t care. Furthermore, teams with winning records can’t be ignored in the playoffs. I’m not going to guess whether offensive minded players would want to sign or go. I honestly don’t know and your guess is as good or as bad as mine. Sports IS about entertainment. And winning is entertainment if it’s my team winning. By the way, using last night’s game as an example is a poor choice, as I thought the Islanders played a much more dynamic game than the Sabres from mid-second period to the end. I sat and watched all of it. Did you? If our Buffalo Bills win a lot of games predominately with defense and a running game, wouldn’t you watch? I’m sure you did last season when Tyrod was the uninspired QB and they made it to the playoffs. So the Sabres can win with panache or they can win with a boring style, I could not care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 6 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: As an Islander fan I've been lurking on this thread the past few days. First of all, congrats on the win last night, Islanders were out-played. But I gotta disagree with you that "this time of year" is just a tired cliche with no validity. Just a few weeks ago when the Islanders were in the middle of a hot streak, Trotz took the Islanders down a peg saying that the team needed to ramp up the intensity in the upcoming weeks and they couldn't make a playoff run at the intensity level they were playing at. He made his statement on January 15 after the Islanders had won 9 of 11 games. BTW, how do you guys like Okposo? He was a favorite of mine from his rookie year. Although I always wanted to see him score more, I was disappointed when he moved on. I'm not saying "this time of year" has no validity. Quite the contrary; but it has validity starting in October! EVERY game matters and you have to bank points all season, not just when there are two months left in the season and games get "tighter" just because the playoffs are much closer now. The playoffs should seem just as close and be considered just as important and every game just as crucial starting from the first game of the year. To the extent that some veteran players hype "this time of year" as somehow more critical to the goal of playing "playoff hockey" every night is short sighted. These veterans need to create the sense of urgency from the first puck drop of the year. Heck, it should start from the first practice in training camp. Regarding Okposo, love his heart, but he's a shadow of his former self as an offensive force. He's a very effective checking line winger, heavy on the puck, and a beast in the corners. He's not giving the value his contract number suggests he should, but you gotta root for a guy like that given his effort every night and what he's had to come back from, concussion wise. On another note, what would it take to pry Barzal away from the Isles? He's a fantastic player. BTW, we are happy as hell for Lehner. Great comeback story as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 23 minutes ago, K-9 said: On another note, what would it take to pry Barzal away from the Isles? He's a fantastic player. BTW, we are happy as hell for Lehner. Great comeback story as well. I'm embarrassed to admit that I only became aware of Lehner's back story recently. Read his article on the Athletic, Jesus. Best part was how the Sabres GM Jason Botterill kept in contact with Lehner. Barzal to the Sabres? The teams have exchanged some decent players over the years: Peca, LaFontaine, Turgeon, Vanek (did nothing for us), Okposo, Moulson, Krupp. Fun Fact I: on the last day of the 89-90 season Krupp scored an overtime goal against the Penguins. Just before that, the Islanders had won at home and they put the Sabres/Pens game on the scoreboard. The Krupp goal eliminated the Pens and put the Isles in the playoffs. Fun Fact II: Jason Botterill's wife Jennifer does in-game analysis for the Islanders. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, snafu said: I don’t care about other markets and their fans. And as I stated, the NHL has pretty much legislated the trap out of the game — and what the rules changes didn’t accomplish, offensive strategy did. As to whether the US and Canadien tv brass would choose to televise, I don’t care. Furthermore, teams with winning records can’t be ignored in the playoffs. I’m not going to guess whether offensive minded players would want to sign or go. I honestly don’t know and your guess is as good or as bad as mine. Sports IS about entertainment. And winning is entertainment if it’s my team winning. By the way, using last night’s game as an example is a poor choice, as I thought the Islanders played a much more dynamic game than the Sabres from mid-second period to the end. I sat and watched all of it. Did you? If our Buffalo Bills win a lot of games predominately with defense and a running game, wouldn’t you watch? I’m sure you did last season when Tyrod was the uninspired QB and they made it to the playoffs. So the Sabres can win with panache or they can win with a boring style, I could not care less. I did watch the whole game. If this style of game was replicated in most of the Sabre games I would not buy the Directv Hockey Central package. I wouldn't waste my time and money. That is not to say that I wouldn't root for the team but I wouldn't spend much time watching such a grinding and unentertaining product. With respect to the Buffalo Bills and the Tyrod Taylor era I didn't watch all the games because the offense was so inept it was unwatchable. On some good weathered weekends I preferred being outside instead of being stuck inside watching bad football. We simply have different preferences. I'm not saying you are wrong. What's right for you isn't right for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, JohnC said: You and I have different tastes. I hate his brand of hockey. Sports are supposed to be entertaining. This suffocating style of play is unwatchable, at least for me. Jeff Skinner does not sign a deal with a Lou influenced team. I can guarantee you that. Few talented free agents would be interested in playing for an organization promoting such an antiquated brand of hockey. I'm very confident in saying that Tavares is relieved that he doesn't have to play for a team run by this old school tight fisted boss. If you like watching this style of play then that's your choice. If the Sabres were winning with greater frequency playing that wretched way I would tune out. I'm not saying this to be dramatic. From an entertainment standpoint it is unappealing. I would not pay a penny for a ticket to watch such a grinding style of play that shackles the talents of the players. I have little interest in garbage hockey. If you want to kill this sport then make Italian Lou the commissioner. Some people are enthralled with the stone age. I'm not one of them. Agreed...this is why I dislike high level soccer. I appreciate the skill involved but at that level it becomes waiting 90 minutes for the two mistakes that occur per game. Edit: to build on the conversation. Yes, the nhl has tried to eliminate the trap/lock whatever you want to call it, but the islanders are now using their center in place of where a winger would have been in the old system. Barzal is as a dynamic player as you can get, but do you remember any notable plays from him that didn’t occur from sustained o-zone pressure? They always have two men on the puck. Until they gained o-zone possession his job is completely support. I’m not saying it’s not a way to win, but again I agree with John..,it’s boring as F to watch. Edited February 14, 2019 by Kevbeau 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Less than two weeks until the trade deadline. Still hoping for a move. It’s time to win now. Enough waiting around abd and waiting for development that will likely never happen. Those draft picks are far from locks and likely won’t contribute for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Kevbeau said: Agreed...this is why I dislike high level soccer. I appreciate the skill involved but at that level it becomes waiting 90 minutes for the two mistakes that occur per game. Edit: to build on the conversation. Yes, the nhl has tried to eliminate the trap/lock whatever you want to call it, but the islanders are now using their center in place of where a winger would have been in the old system. Barzal is as a dynamic player as you can get, but do you remember any notable plays from him that didn’t occur from sustained o-zone pressure? They always have two men on the puck. Until they gained o-zone possession his job is completely support. I’m not saying it’s not a way to win, but again I agree with John..,it’s boring as F to watch. As you noted Barzal is an electrifying talent. The shame of his circumstances is that his talent is being suppressed in this robotic stifling defensive style of play. A player capable of making beautiful plays is submerged in a stifling system. The game and the fans lose out not being able to see him exhibit his special talents. I'm not criticizing anyone who prefers or is more amenable to that boss Lou style of play. I'm just not one of them, and will never be. Watching sports for me is not a life and death activity (hyperbolic point). It's about the entertainment value. When not satisfied I go to another option. Simple as that. Edited February 14, 2019 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 20 hours ago, JohnC said: Absolutely not! You can take your Italian Lou dinosaur approach to hockey and watch robotic hockey. The problem with these rigid and soulless systems is that it kills the product and results in talented players wanting out and talented players not wanting in. If you think that Eichel would relish playing this brand of hockey you are mistaken. If he had problems with Bylsma and his structured system how do you think he would tolerate the old school Lou system? If you find this type of suffocating hockey entertaining then good for you. It's not something I would find acceptable. If it were the case I would exercise my prerogative and change the channel to watch a college game. No thank you! I think you missed the point. It has nothing to do with Lou's style of play (btw, he's not the coach). I'm wondering how you can square your preaching for patience for a perpetually losing franchise remaining a bottom dweller, while praising another moribound franchise's rise. Based on your logic, Isles should have retained Doug Weight because he had a decent end as the interim coach in 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 14 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: I'm embarrassed to admit that I only became aware of Lehner's back story recently. Read his article on the Athletic, Jesus. Best part was how the Sabres GM Jason Botterill kept in contact with Lehner. Barzal to the Sabres? The teams have exchanged some decent players over the years: Peca, LaFontaine, Turgeon, Vanek (did nothing for us), Okposo, Moulson, Krupp. Fun Fact I: on the last day of the 89-90 season Krupp scored an overtime goal against the Penguins. Just before that, the Islanders had won at home and they put the Sabres/Pens game on the scoreboard. The Krupp goal eliminated the Pens and put the Isles in the playoffs. Fun Fact II: Jason Botterill's wife Jennifer does in-game analysis for the Islanders. Lehner's story is truly inspiring. And it speaks well of Botterill and the Sabres organization who have supported him throughout his recovery. Yeah, the Sabres and Islanders have had some trades over the years, that's for sure. So feel free to give us Barzal any time you grow tired of him. I think Moulson more than offsets Vanek, but at least Vanek is still in the league while Moulson toils away for the Reign in Ontario, CA. An Uwe Krupp mention! Wunderbar! Interesting tidbit about JBott's wife. He should consult her for scouting information. Anyway, good luck the rest of the season. Except for March 30th. Cheers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Tate Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 14 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: Fun Fact II: Jason Botterill's wife Jennifer does in-game analysis for the Islanders. (that's his sister.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Terry Tate said: (that's his sister.) Oops, my bad, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, Terry Tate said: (that's his sister.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 14 hours ago, JohnC said: I did watch the whole game. If this style of game was replicated in most of the Sabre games I would not buy the Directv Hockey Central package. I wouldn't waste my time and money. That is not to say that I wouldn't root for the team but I wouldn't spend much time watching such a grinding and unentertaining product. With respect to the Buffalo Bills and the Tyrod Taylor era I didn't watch all the games because the offense was so inept it was unwatchable. On some good weathered weekends I preferred being outside instead of being stuck inside watching bad football. We simply have different preferences. I'm not saying you are wrong. What's right for you isn't right for me. I'm guessing you didn't watch during most of the Hasek years and much of the last 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, K-9 said: Lehner's story is truly inspiring. And it speaks well of Botterill and the Sabres organization who have supported him throughout his recovery. Yeah, the Sabres and Islanders have had some trades over the years, that's for sure. So feel free to give us Barzal any time you grow tired of him. I think Moulson more than offsets Vanek, but at least Vanek is still in the league while Moulson toils away for the Reign in Ontario, CA. An Uwe Krupp mention! Wunderbar! Interesting tidbit about JBott's wife. He should consult her for scouting information. Anyway, good luck the rest of the season. Except for March 30th. Cheers! I hate bringing it up because I'm so sick of that topic, but looking back on the Vanek trade, it could have been so good for Buffalo had they not turned that draft pick into Lehner. And no john, please don't turn that into an explanation of why draft picks should never be traded. I'm sure we can come up with plenty of examples where it worked out just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: I'm guessing you didn't watch during most of the Hasek years and much of the last 7 years. No I didn't. I was living out of town so I didn't watch many Sabre games. Last year, I had the hockey package. I stopped watching the games. They were unpalatable. I also was not going to renew the football package if Tyrod was going to be our starter for the following season. He was traded. So I renewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 hours ago, GG said: I think you missed the point. It has nothing to do with Lou's style of play (btw, he's not the coach). I'm wondering how you can square your preaching for patience for a perpetually losing franchise remaining a bottom dweller, while praising another moribound franchise's rise. Based on your logic, Isles should have retained Doug Weight because he had a decent end as the interim coach in 2016 The Sabres are probably going to be 25 or more points better than the previous year. And with the development of their young players they should be better next year. The course they are on is very sound and is working. With respect to the Islanders I have little interest in watching them. From an entertainment standpoint they are very bland and not worth watching. If you like watching them then knock yourself out. It's not a style of hockey I'm interest in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 9 hours ago, K-9 said: Lehner's story is truly inspiring. And it speaks well of Botterill and the Sabres organization who have supported him throughout his recovery. Yeah, the Sabres and Islanders have had some trades over the years, that's for sure. So feel free to give us Barzal any time you grow tired of him. I think Moulson more than offsets Vanek, but at least Vanek is still in the league while Moulson toils away for the Reign in Ontario, CA. An Uwe Krupp mention! Wunderbar! Interesting tidbit about JBott's wife. He should consult her for scouting information. Anyway, good luck the rest of the season. Except for March 30th. Cheers! Two more notes and then I'll leave you guys alone until late March. I'm kicking myself for leaving Clark Gillies off the list of guys that played for the Islanders and Sabres. He was my favorite Islander during the Cup years. When Uwe Krupp was down here the newspapers ran stories when he'd run his sled dogs in the streets after a snow storm. Now go out and crush the Rangers tomorrow night. But watch out for Zibanejad, he's been hot as hell lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 7 hours ago, shrader said: I hate bringing it up because I'm so sick of that topic, but looking back on the Vanek trade, it could have been so good for Buffalo had they not turned that draft pick into Lehner. And no john, please don't turn that into an explanation of why draft picks should never be traded. I'm sure we can come up with plenty of examples where it worked out just fine. I'm not sure if you were referring to me but if you are when did I say that draft picks should never be traded? That is an outright baseless fabrication (assuming you are referring to me.) Let's be clear, I'm not against making deals. What I'm strenuously against is dealing off valuable assets for a short term and immediate gain just to potentially help this team make a wild-card playoff spot. I'm hoping that our GM can make a deal/s in the offseason when bigger deals are more likely to occur. An example of that would be the Skinner deal which has worked out wonderfully for us. I don't want to be rude but I don't appreciate your gross mischaracterization of my position. Maybe I'm inaccurately jumping to a conclusion because you are referring to another John's position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 6 hours ago, JohnC said: The Sabres are probably going to be 25 or more points better than the previous year. And with the development of their young players they should be better next year. The course they are on is very sound and is working. With respect to the Islanders I have little interest in watching them. From an entertainment standpoint they are very bland and not worth watching. If you like watching them then knock yourself out. It's not a style of hockey I'm interest in. You pretend to know a lot about a team you don’t watch? For a team who lost Tavares, they have scored 3 fewer goals than the Sabres and have allowed the fewest goals in the NHL. They are far from as boring as you profess. Ok we get it, you watched some Devils games a bunch of years ago. Blah, blah! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, BigMcD said: You pretend to know a lot about a team you don’t watch? For a team who lost Tavares, they have scored 3 fewer goals than the Sabres and have allowed the fewest goals in the NHL. They are far from as boring as you profess. Ok we get it, you watched some Devils games a bunch of years ago. Blah, blah! If you like to watch the Islanders then go watch them and enjoy the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: If you like to watch the Islanders then go watch them and enjoy the experience. How would you know how they play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, BigMcD said: How would you know how they play? I just watched them play. If you like to watch the Islanders then watch them. You make your choice as to who to watch and I will make my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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