Jrb1979 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, APoxOnYou said: So Kelvin Benjamin would've caught perfect passes from Mahomes rather than dropping perfect passes from Allen? The run blocking would've blocked better if we had Mahomes which would allow for a more balenced offence as opposed for Allen? Robert Foster would've learned route running faster if we had Mahomes too? Mccoy would hit the hole? The list goes on. Mahomes didn't need the year off either? I swear the most asine arguments are made for Mahomes on this forum. Ridiculous. RIDICULOUS you say. I'm sorry great QBs make the team around them better. Mahomes for sure would have made the offense better then it was. Allen is not on the same level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 And now the Mahomes vs Allen debate rages on. Shoulda woulda coulda. Later tonight it will be Allen vs Goff or Prescott. I mean, earlier this week it was Allen vs the Clemson QB. Some of you just like to live in your make-believe misery. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: And now the Mahomes vs Allen debate rages on. Shoulda woulda coulda. Later tonight it will be Allen vs Goff or Prescott. I mean, earlier this week it was Allen vs the Clemson QB. Some of you just like to live in your make-believe misery. Please keep posting. And scalping Nazis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: And now the Mahomes vs Allen debate rages on. Shoulda woulda coulda. Later tonight it will be Allen vs Goff or Prescott. I mean, earlier this week it was Allen vs the Clemson QB. Some of you just like to live in your make-believe misery. Its not make believe misery. Dem Bills should hope Allen is as good as Mahomes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: And now the Mahomes vs Allen debate rages on. Shoulda woulda coulda. Later tonight it will be Allen vs Goff or Prescott. I mean, earlier this week it was Allen vs the Clemson QB. Some of you just like to live in your make-believe misery. coulda had Peyton Manning if we would’ve tanked 22 years ago. UGH. edit: (or Ryan Leaf) Edited January 13, 2019 by RiotAct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: Its not make believe misery. Dem Bills should hope Allen is as good as Mahomes. Oh, it’s definitely make believe. Hypothetical waste of time; Mahomes is not, nor ever will be a Bill. Edited January 13, 2019 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Oh, it’s definitely make believe. Its make believe that Allen will be as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Jrb1979 said: Its make believe that Allen will be as good. Well, there’s room on the Chief’s bus - maybe you should climb aboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said: Its make believe that Allen will be as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: And now the Mahomes vs Allen debate rages on. Shoulda woulda coulda. Later tonight it will be Allen vs Goff or Prescott. I mean, earlier this week it was Allen vs the Clemson QB. Some of you just like to live in your make-believe misery. For some of these people when it comes to the current Bills QB situation they want anyone BUT Allen. It's really strange. I mean it's like this kid has pissed in their corn flakes. I just don't get this fetish for Mahomes on a BUFFALO BILLS message board. A lot of teams that needed QB's passed him by. At least the Bills got something for passing him by. Edited January 13, 2019 by CincyBillsFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, CincyBillsFan said: For some of these people when it comes to the current Bills QB situation they want anyone BUT Allen. It's really strange. I mean it's like this kid has pissed in their corn flakes. I just don't get this fetish for Mahomes. A lot of teams that needed QB's passed him by. At least the Bills got something for passing him by. Everyone is an expert in hindsight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: For some of these people when it comes to the current Bills QB situation they want anyone BUT Allen. It's really strange. I mean it's like this kid has pissed in their corn flakes. I just don't get this fetish for Mahomes. A lot of teams that needed QB's passed him by. At least the Bills got something for passing him by. Some are just into S&M, hard to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I could not figure out why I didnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninRebel37 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 40 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: The problem is, if your playing that game, why end there? Where would it stop? We also missed on Tom Brady whose greatness is obvious. Missed trading up for Bog Ben when we should have paid whatever it took. There are hundreds of examples to be had. He is the WORST. Give me anyone, anyone instead of Colinsworth. Only thing that would make it worse would be him paired with Beth Mowins. Nah man....there's a clear difference. We had a need for a future QB when Mahomes (and Watson) were available. Furthermore, he was drafted in the Bills' draft slot, so its not a "game", its a fact of the matter. I remember Trubiksy was talked about as being a potential option, but he was LONG gone when the Bears moved up to get him. I don't understand how anybody can argue the Bills missed by not drafting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangaxx Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: For some of these people when it comes to the current Bills QB situation they want anyone BUT Allen. It's really strange. I mean it's like this kid has pissed in their corn flakes. I just don't get this fetish for Mahomes on a BUFFALO BILLS message board. A lot of teams that needed QB's passed him by. At least the Bills got something for passing him by. I think it has something to do with the fact that there is a sizable contingent of fans on this board that feel that if you aren't always incredibly critical of the Bills originzation and their decisions your catigorized as a "Homer". Which is why i think constantly bring Mahomes up. It reinforces their (I believe incorrect) argument that he's the greatest ever. Edited January 13, 2019 by APoxOnYou 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Well with punt blocked hopefully Chiefs will do something stupid and cut Dave Toub. Then the Bills can sign him and they will have a great ST Coordinator. Crossman does have history with Andy so maybe he will try to give him a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, RunninRebel37 said: Nah man....there's a clear difference. We had a need for a future QB when Mahomes (and Watson) were available. Furthermore, he was drafted in the Bills' draft slot, so its not a "game", its a fact of the matter. I remember Trubiksy was talked about as being a potential option, but he was LONG gone when the Bears moved up to get him. I don't understand how anybody can argue the Bills missed by not drafting him. I will wait for it to play out...it’s still early...rg3 and kaep were the bees knees...then it all unraveled.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Gratz to Chiefs on their first playoff win in a long time. Andy can say this was not his hump day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, RunninRebel37 said: Nah man....there's a clear difference. We had a need for a future QB when Mahomes (and Watson) were available. Furthermore, he was drafted in the Bills' draft slot, so its not a "game", its a fact of the matter. I remember Trubiksy was talked about as being a potential option, but he was LONG gone when the Bears moved up to get him. I don't understand how anybody can argue the Bills missed by not drafting him. If the Buffalo Bills organization started to officially endorse child slave labor, the majority of this board would support the decision and argue to the death that it's really not as bad as some argue. It's tough to have objective discussions here about anything Bills-related. Ironically, better conversations can sometimes be had at Sabres forums, as the posters have an interest and like for the Bills, but not such a blind lust that they lose the ability to objectively discuss the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said: That's what worries me if they play the Pats next week. The Chiefs have been a bit sloppy at times. Some of Mahomes passes have been sloppy. Pats are the kind of team that won't let them get away with that Maybe the Pats* from years past. This year’s edition was 3-5 on the road. Regardless , games of years gone by will have zero to do with what happens next week against whichever opponent they face. 11 minutes ago, zevo said: I will wait for it to play out...it’s still early...rg3 and kaep were the bees knees...then it all unraveled.... Major difference was those were gimmicky QBs that didn’t make plays from the pocket. That’s not Mahomes at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 33 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Everyone is an expert in hindsight. No, that’s not it. The issue is that NFL execs, HCs et al are paid big $$ to have foresight. A vision for building a team. Bills fans mostly don’t have anything against Allen, but Mahomes looks as close to a sure thing as there is. Allen may or may not pan out at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, APoxOnYou said: I swear the most asine arguments are made for Mahomes on this forum. Ridiculous. That's usually because they're made by people who love to talk about why the Bills suck, and how they would be a much better team if only THEY were the owner/GM/HC/OC/DC/QB/RB for the team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: No, that’s not it. The issue is that NFL execs, HCs et al are paid big $$ to have foresight. A vision for building a team. Bills fans mostly don’t have anything against Allen, but Mahomes looks as close to a sure thing as there is. Allen may or may not pan out at all. Ok, like Mahomes was the second coming going into the draft. He was evaluated like all the other Texas Tech QBs who throw up ridiculous numbers. Secondly, I was making reference to fans who like to play this shoulda woulda game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 If you're a critic of Shady, watch the Rams run block and compare the holes they create for their backs to the stone walls our OL provided for McCoy this season. Criticism is easy when you don't comparison shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 If you really take a look at the number of posts one way or another, the overwhelming preponderance of them are pro Allen citing everything Kansas City has that the Bills don't. Not quite sure where the persecution complex comes from. Right now, Mahomes is great. There's no reason to believe he wouldn't have solid results anywhere. QB's like that tend to make everyone better. Hopefully, Allen gets near that level and the Bills get him more talent. It's unfair to judge Allen one way or the other at this point. We know what Mahomes is all about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, APoxOnYou said: I think it has something to do with the fact that there is a sizable contingent of fans on this board that feel that if you aren't always incredibly critical of the Bills originzation and their decisions your catigorized as a "Homer". Which is why i think constantly bring Mahomes up. It reinforces their (I believe incorrect) argument that he's the greatest ever. You're probably right but that's what's strange to me - I am proud to be a homer becasue I'm a fan! I don't pretend to be impartial. If you claim to be a fan but are not a "homer" then what the hell are you? Now that doesn't mean I'm blind to what goes on in Bills land and I don't view everything through rose colored glasses. I like to think that I'm a decent judge of NFL talent for the simple reason that I've spent 50 years watching the NFL closely. But I'll own rooting for any player that wears the blue, white & red! It's just like some of these people want Allen to fail while rooting for Mahomes to win the MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said: Or Andy has learned how to manage a rookie QB which means a red-shirt first season. Even McNabb sat for half a season behind Pederson. I know cuz I lived in Philly at the time. That is why the Chiefs signed A Smith, and the moved up to draft Mahomes. Andy got smarter. He's no dope. He looked like a dope losing all those home playoff games with KC until Mahomes arrived. Remember.........Meathead Mike Mularkey stunned Andy Reid at home in the playoffs last season.......the same season he drafted Mahomes.........so not sure he was smarter just yet........that seemed to happen when Mahomes started wheeling and dealing including some crazy off-platform throws.? I guess what you are getting at is that McDermott made a bad decision by not getting a legit starting QB or keeping Tyrod so that Allen could sit for a season? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Ok, like Mahomes was the second coming going into the draft. He was evaluated like all the other Texas Tech QBs who throw up ridiculous numbers. Secondly, I was making reference to fans who like to play this shoulda woulda game. If he was thought of as the second coming he would have been gone with the 1st overall pick and there would be no issue. What’s done is done, but I’d feel a lot better about the Bills talent evaluators and the team’s future if they had addressed the franchise’s most pressing need by drafting Mahomes. Edited January 13, 2019 by Boatdrinks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Billsmisery said: If the chiefs win the SB I'll have to quit watching the NfL sadly...I mean the Chiefs really? I wouldnt be able to stand all of the moron fans around here ugh. No way, the Chiefs are just fine. I hope they are there because it means NE won’t be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: If he was thought of as the second coming he would have been gone with the 1st overall pick and there would be no issue. What’s done is done, but I’d feel a lot better about the Bills talent evaluators and the team’s future if they had addressed the franchise’s most pressing need by drafting Mahomes. Like I said...shoulda woulda coulda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Ok, like Mahomes was the second coming going into the draft. He was evaluated like all the other Texas Tech QBs who throw up ridiculous numbers. Secondly, I was making reference to fans who like to play this shoulda woulda game. I'm with you on the hindsight thing. I don't really play that game because I personally didn't think he'd be this good. But he IS this good. I don't really blame the Bills because there was too much going on with the organization. What's done is done. I can't sit here and pretend like he's not special because the Bills didn't draft him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, LSHMEAB said: I'm with you on the hindsight thing. I don't really play that game because I personally didn't think he'd be this good. But he IS this good. I don't really blame the Bills because there was too much going on with the organization. What's done is done. I can't sit here and pretend like he's not special because the Bills didn't draft him. Agreed. He turned out to be a great QB, kudos to the Chiefs. No sense in whining about it now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: Here's the thing. Mahomes had a full year to sit behind Alex Smith. A full year, no starting expectations, watching a very smart QB (A Smith) prepare and learn. He has a very good offensive coach who made McNabb and a bunch of junk other than RBs look good. Mahomes was 100% handled the right way. JA was not, and has not had the same. Most people wanted him to sit a year, like a red shirt, and learn the pro game. There is a reason JA appreciates having KA and MB on the team. Patrick Mahomes is phenominal. But he was also put into a 100% dream job. Had Buffalo drafted him, he would not be the same. The fact JA did what he did as a rookie, in a far worse situation, speaks to JA as a competitor. Mahomes landed in a dream situation. JA is the right guy for Buffalo, because has shown an ability to overcome the limitations around him. God knows the Bills messed up everything about JA's first year, and he still flashed success. I like this post ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: He looked like a dope losing all those home playoff games with KC until Mahomes arrived. Remember.........Meathead Mike Mularkey stunned Andy Reid at home in the playoffs last season.......the same season he drafted Mahomes.........so not sure he was smarter just yet........that seemed to happen when Mahomes started wheeling and dealing including some crazy off-platform throws.? I guess what you are getting at is that McDermott made a bad decision by not getting a legit starting QB or keeping Tyrod so that Allen could sit for a season? No. That same 'dope' went to numerous NFC championship games with the Eagles and a SB with Donovan McNabb, a SU QB. You are a hater, and are ignorant. Andy Reid had garbage in Philly until Pat Mahomes. Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes = Super Bowls Edited January 13, 2019 by RocCityRoller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: No. That same 'dope' went to numerous NFC championship games with the Eagles and a SB with Donovan McNabb, a SU QB. You are a hater, and are ignorant. Andy Reid had garbage in Philly until Pat Mahomes. Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes = Super Bowls Pat Mahomes played in Philly. Hmmmmm musta missed dat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Pat Mahomes played in Philly. Hmmmmm musta missed dat Dumb troll. Pat Mahomes never played in Philly Andy Reid got to Super Bowl with McNabb... mmmm hmm loser dumb as#eed troll Edited January 13, 2019 by RocCityRoller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Dumb troll. Pat Mahomes never played in Philly Andy Reid got to Super Bowl with McNabb... mmmm hmm loser dumb as#eed troll He didn’t ? No sh** A-hole your idiotic post said he did. Who’s a troll ? You’re a loser you idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Pat Mahomes played in Philly. Hmmmmm musta missed dat Pat Mahomes never played in Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, RocCityRoller said: Pat Mahomes never played in Philly. No Sh** read your damn post. It says Reid had garbage in Philly until Mahomes. You are a cementhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: No Sh** read your damn post. It says Reid had garbage in Philly until Mahomes. OK this is an obvious 'psycological joke', I call BS Be aware OBD. Edited January 13, 2019 by RocCityRoller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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