John from Riverside Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Girlfriend hates football......so on days when we both have a day off doing other stuff..... Lucky for me I have NFL Game pass OK so I did check in from time to time on my phone.....I saw the usual "ahem....suspects" tearing Josh Allen up in this game........so I was fully prepared to see a lot of inaccurate passes Guys......come on please There were by my count TWO touchdowns dropped in this game.......and when the pats got up they were running the ball down our throats and protecting Tom Brady in this game....those two touchdown drops could easily have changed the complex of this game.....other thoughts That fumble by Croom also hurt We still cannot run the ball to save our lives Our special teams is so bad Edmunds EASILY had his worst game as a bill from what I saw......Tremaine come on man I know the season is almost over but you gotta sell out dude....he had an opportunity to DESTROY Edlemen on that play where he scored because he was not down.......You gotta get in on that....and there was a lot more of that from Tremaine in this game Allen had the two picks......and they were throws to receivers that you really cannot count on to fight for 50 50 balls...this is where Kelvin Benjamin not being the player we expected really hurts....we NEED that big physical wide out that will fight for contested balls.....if you look at all the other good NFL QBs they have that player on their roster. There were also a lot of excellent throws by Allen in this game......it was not his BEST game but this is how it goes for rookies....the needle is up and down through the season and Josh Allen has NOTHING to help him out.......no running game to lean on.......pass blocking is inconsistant.......wide receivers that will not make plays In the end.....improves our draft postion while giving our future QB another game of NFL experience Not really understanding the ability of the patriots to dominate our D line like they are........I was very dissapointed in that 27 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 It’s good to have legit hope at QB for next season 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I thought Josh played a fine game. Some of our ball catchers need to bring their A game to the table if you ask me. Charles Clay was hardly missed and Crooms had the critical fumble. Now I don't lament Crooms for putting forth maximum effort but know when to say when. I'm a little worried about the diminutive nature of our receivers because they seem to get knicked up a bit too frequently. Could just be a bad coincidence. I know Beane will have a fresh fleet for Josh in 2019. Allens is making lemon out of lemonade but I suppose the numbers crowd have some gripes with his performance. The Crooms fumble reminded me quite a bit of a Scott Chandler fumble many moons ago. He was also putting forth maximum effort but he coughed it up in similar fashion. Give the young man an arsenal and the sky is the limit! 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: It’s good to have legit hope at QB for next season You said it mister. Manuel was a good off field guy and did a heck of a lot for the community as did Edward but I never believed they could compete with the top enchiladas. Allen at the very least provides legitimate hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I can sit at the poker table and hold some quiet confidence when they mock the Bills 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I agree, Allen is the least of our concerns for next year. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Josh wasn't THE reason we lost. He was A reason though. It was not a good performance. No need to lose our minds over a rookie QB being made to look like a rookie QB by the greatest defensive mind in the game. Bad day at the office and a learning experience. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 They were going to lose anyway... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 We have our franchise QB and I'm glad it's got, Josh Allen. He's extremely talented, a leader, and more importantly, has the fire in his belly to win. Now it's time for Beane and McDermott to find and develop players that will make us consistent Super Bowl contenders. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Josh wasn't THE reason we lost. He was A reason though. It was not a good performance. No need to lose our minds over a rookie QB being made to look like a rookie QB by the greatest defensive mind in the game. Bad day at the office and a learning experience. Bart Starr couldn't have thrived under those circumstances playing the Boston boys. I believe many of the young players on offense could be around, but lets face facts, some of them are not top tier and that's a nice way to put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Merry Christmas it was on the coach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillswin Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Everyone's fault except Josh Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I didn’t see anything too different from weeks when fans were excited about his play. He really isn’t in prove-it mode with me. It’s pretty obvious he’s going to be our QB for many years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriftygamer83 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 The guys had one job to catch the ball. Josh and Daboll found the weaknesses. And, we were let down by immature players in receiver roles who have given up or found excuses not to take hits or put themselves out there. If I were Foster secondaries know if they hit me hard enough I’ll find a way to say I lost the ball instead of taking the hit. A reason why he was on the practice squad. Lots of the defensive call ups have helped and made impacts. Foster being a “nice find” is realistically a trade value flip. Along with Croom and Zay flip them for picks or teams that have a sucker in the front office they are there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 24, 2018 Author Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Thriftygamer83 said: The guys had one job to catch the ball. Josh and Daboll found the weaknesses. And, we were let down by immature players in receiver roles who have given up or found excuses not to take hits or put themselves out there. If I were Foster secondaries know if they hit me hard enough I’ll find a way to say I lost the ball instead of taking the hit. A reason why he was on the practice squad. Lots of the defensive call ups have helped and made impacts. Foster being a “nice find” is realistically a trade value flip. Along with Croom and Zay flip them for picks or teams that have a sucker in the front office they are there. The thing that is pretty maddening to me about Zay is he seems to do his best work when the game is lost.....anyone else notice that? We need players that will fight for the ball or win the matchup when the GAME IS ON THE LINE.....you now......playmakers like Josh Allen....we need more Josh Allens at other positions 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 45 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Girlfriend hates football......so on days when we both have a day off doing other stuff..... Lucky for me I have NFL Game pass OK so I did check in from time to time on my phone.....I saw the usual "ahem....suspects" tearing Josh Allen up in this game........so I was fully prepared to see a lot of inaccurate passes Guys......come on please There were by my count TWO touchdowns dropped in this game.......and when the pats got up they were running the ball down our throats and protecting Tom Brady in this game....those two touchdown drops could easily have changed the complex of this game.....other thoughts That fumble by Croom also hurt We still cannot run the ball to save our lives Our special teams is so bad Edmunds EASILY had his worst game as a bill from what I saw......Tremaine come on man I know the season is almost over but you gotta sell out dude....he had an opportunity to DESTROY Edlemen on that play where he scored because he was not down.......You gotta get in on that....and there was a lot more of that from Tremaine in this game Allen had the two picks......and they were throws to receivers that you really cannot count on to fight for 50 50 balls...this is where Kelvin Benjamin not being the player we expected really hurts....we NEED that big physical wide out that will fight for contested balls.....if you look at all the other good NFL QBs they have that player on their roster. There were also a lot of excellent throws by Allen in this game......it was not his BEST game but this is how it goes for rookies....the needle is up and down through the season and Josh Allen has NOTHING to help him out.......no running game to lean on.......pass blocking is inconsistant.......wide receivers that will not make plays In the end.....improves our draft postion while giving our future QB another game of NFL experience Not really understanding the ability of the patriots to dominate our D line like they are........I was very dissapointed in that My Christmas wish: have Santa give my girlfriend the ability to ignore all my mistakes and blindly defend me like John does the Bills!!! Merry Christmas brother!!! ?? Just now, John from Riverside said: The thing that is pretty maddening to me about Zay is he seems to do his best work when the game is lost.....anyone else notice that? We need players that will fight for the ball or win the matchup when the GAME IS ON THE LINE.....you now......playmakers like Josh Allen....we need more Josh Allens at other positions You mean that time when the defense is in get the game over mood? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriftygamer83 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 43 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Girlfriend hates football......so on days when we both have a day off doing other stuff..... Lucky for me I have NFL Game pass OK so I did check in from time to time on my phone.....I saw the usual "ahem....suspects" tearing Josh Allen up in this game........so I was fully prepared to see a lot of inaccurate passes Guys......come on please There were by my count TWO touchdowns dropped in this game.......and when the pats got up they were running the ball down our throats and protecting Tom Brady in this game....those two touchdown drops could easily have changed the complex of this game.....other thoughts That fumble by Croom also hurt We still cannot run the ball to save our lives Our special teams is so bad Edmunds EASILY had his worst game as a bill from what I saw......Tremaine come on man I know the season is almost over but you gotta sell out dude....he had an opportunity to DESTROY Edlemen on that play where he scored because he was not down.......You gotta get in on that....and there was a lot more of that from Tremaine in this game Allen had the two picks......and they were throws to receivers that you really cannot count on to fight for 50 50 balls... There were also a lot of excellent throws by Allen in this game......it was not his BEST game but this is how it goes for rookies....the needle is up and down through the season and Josh Allen has NOTHING to help him out.......no running game to lean on.......pass blocking is inconsistant.......wide receivers that will not make plays In the end.....improves our draft postion while giving our future QB another game of NFL experience Josh makes plays Foster, Zay, and Croom don’t just not mature enough to handle that duty of making catches in big games. Flip them for trade value if they don’t put in the effort to improve its a business decision it doesn’t require loyalties attached. Zay isn’t willing to fight for improving and doesn’t show it in practices or try for Daboll with the game on the line so you find someone whose willing to give you at least one pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 24, 2018 Author Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: My Christmas wish: have Santa give my girlfriend the ability to ignore all my mistakes and blindly defend me like John does the Bills!!! Merry Christmas brother!!! ?? Sir I think what you REALLY need is to wish for the objectivity to see what I really am writing......there is a lot of crit in my post there..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 30 minutes ago, row_33 said: They were going to lose anyway... Yeah but so did the freaking jets! I don't usually feel this way but imo winning at this point serves little to no purpose. If I was into sports betting, I would place a seriously large wager on the Bills on Sunday, and I am 100% serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Yeah but so did the freaking jets! I don't usually feel this way but imo winning at this point serves little to no purpose. If I was into sports betting, I would place a seriously large wager on the Bills on Sunday, and I am 100% serious. Entering the last game of the season it doesn't matter whether we win or lose. However, the players showing effort in a meaningless game would demonstrate that they care. What matters the most is how this organization drafts (regardless where we are drafting) and how it handles this offseason's free agency. If the OL, receiving unit and the backfield is not dramatically upgraded then last year's effort made to draft its future franchise qb will be squandered. This current regime (which I support) is aware what needs to be done on offense. WGR's Murphy said on the radio that Beane told Josh Allen to not get discouraged because he was going to get him help for next year. That's the test for this franchise. Make no mistake about it that McDermott came in with the intention of rebuilding this roster and organization. So there was never going to be a quick fix. But entering the third offseason there has to be a major change to the roster (mostly on offense) to give this battered fanbase and franchise some real hope. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Allen will be nominated for AFC player of the week I'm sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Allen will be nominated for AFC player of the week I'm sure. Well it won't be the Goat either. Didn't see many highlight reels on his game play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 I’m stunned that anyone could feel good about what they saw from Josh Allen on Sunday. Yes, there were certainly times when he was let down by his surrounding cast. And yes, he’s certainly shown things in previous games to give a guy hope. Also he was going against Belichick who has destroyed rookie QBs throughout his career so the performance should be taken with a grain of salt. But last Sunday Allen was brutally bad. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Well it won't be the Goat either. Didn't see many highlight reels on his game play. What does any other player have to do with this subject that discusses Allen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timtebow15 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Allen was not bad. Add those two TD drops and everyone would say he had a great day and the Bills probably win let along stupid Croom fumbling. I don't know how everyone can't see Allen is leading the worst offense in football. I feel sorry for the kid. How many players on the Bills offense would start on most all other teams in the NFL? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: What does any other player have to do with this subject that discusses Allen? More Insight with less incite Just saying the kid played just as good if not better than TB. 3 minutes ago, timtebow15 said: Allen was not bad. Add those two TD drops and everyone would say he had a great day and the Bills probably win let along stupid Croom fumbling. I don't know how everyone can't see Allen is leading the worst offense in football. I feel sorry for the kid. How many players on the Bills offense would start on most all other teams in the NFL? At this point not even Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 1 minute ago, JMF2006 said: More Insight with less incite Just saying the kid played just as good if not better than TB. At this point not even Shady. That is insight that you're trying to change the subject to another player that has nothing to do with how Allen played in the game. Nice try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That is insight that you're trying to change the subject to another player that has nothing to do with how Allen played in the game. Nice try though. Merry Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Just now, JMF2006 said: Merry Christmas You as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Allen will be nominated for AFC player of the week I'm sure. Copy paste with a "hot Take" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Glad you mentioned Edmunds. I thought he was just terrible. Corey Thompson was terrible on the edge so Edmunds seems to get lost in the shuffle, but he is a pretty bad MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timtebow15 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That is insight that you're trying to change the subject to another player that has nothing to do with how Allen played in the game. Nice try though. That was in response to a post pointing out how awful Allen's supporting cast is and has everything to do with his play. Name a QB that could look good in this offense with players dropping TDs, no blocking, crap TEs - not even Brees would look like an NFL QB with these losers. Allen is not the problem right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, timtebow15 said: That was in response to a post pointing out how awful Allen's supporting cast is and has everything to do with his play. Name a QB that could look good in this offense with players dropping TDs, no blocking, crap TEs - not even Brees would look like an NFL QB with these losers. Allen is not the problem right now. Zay Jones would be the highest drafted receiver on the Saints. You don’t think Brees would be an upgrade? That’s kinda crazy man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, timtebow15 said: That was in response to a post pointing out how awful Allen's supporting cast is and has everything to do with his play. Name a QB that could look good in this offense with players dropping TDs, no blocking, crap TEs - not even Brees would look like an NFL QB with these losers. Allen is not the problem right now. Still the honeymoon phase with Allen, that’s okay, but I’m not looking forward to all the 11-5 predictions with full arrogance here all offseason tons to to be proven before that happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, timtebow15 said: That was in response to a post pointing out how awful Allen's supporting cast is and has everything to do with his play. Name a QB that could look good in this offense with players dropping TDs, no blocking, crap TEs - not even Brees would look like an NFL QB with these losers. Allen is not the problem right now. Irrespective of his poor supporting cast it does not have everything to do with his play. He has opportunities to make plays in every game and he does sometimes which begins with good decision making followed by use of his talent. There are other times when he does not as expected with playing a rookie QB. It's all part of his learning experience. We don't have to pretend he plays perfectly and would be doing great were it not for the players around him. He went to Belichick school yesterday and he'll be better for the experience in the long run. Edited December 25, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timtebow15 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Zay Jones would be the highest drafted receiver on the Saints. You don’t think Brees would be an upgrade? That’s kinda crazy man. I didn't say he wouldn't be an upgrade but we wouldn't be going to the playoffs either. The only reason we've had any offense the past few weeks in because of Allen. 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Irrespective of his poor starting cast it does not have everything to do with his play. He has opportunities to make plays in every game and he does sometimes that begins with good decision making followed by use of his talent. There are other times when he does not as expected with playing a rookie QB. It's all part of his learning experience. We don't have to pretend he plays perfectly and would be doing great were it not for the players around him. He went to Belichick school yesterday and he'll be better for the experience in the long run. I'm not pretending he's perfect nor did I say that. He's still a rookie of course but he's been much better than I expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 There were much worse culprits than Allen yesterday. He continues to be the best player they have on offense. He did commit two bad INT’s, but you really can’t fault him. Also, I stand my claim that if Foster actually catches that long pass for a TD it’s a completely different game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Irrespective of his poor starting cast it does not have everything to do with his play. He has opportunities to make plays in every game and he does sometimes that begins with good decision making followed by use of his talent. There are other times when he does not as expected with playing a rookie QB. It's all part of his learning experience. We don't have to pretend he plays perfectly and would be doing great were it not for the players around him. He went to Belichick school yesterday and he'll be better for the experience in the long run. Yeah, that’s the part I hate. Allen is a rookie on a bad offense (the same people who picked him built this offense). So he gets some slack. But to pretend like other QBs won’t make plays with this ground is just silly. Minus Moss, Brady made stars out of scrubs. People used to talk about how terrible the Steelers and Seahawks oline were but Big Ben and Wilson still made plays and won. Mahomes is missing his 2nd receiver, pro bowl rb, and still makes plays. Hell, Nick Mullen’s plays with crap and is a better passer. Allen does some great things. But the excuses are so old. Hopefully, we upgrade the oline and get Julio and AJ Green so we can stop with the excuse making. Merry Christams! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timtebow15 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, row_33 said: Still the honeymoon phase with Allen, that’s okay, but I’m not looking forward to all the 11-5 predictions with full arrogance here all offseason tons to to be proven before that happens I would never predict that because they can't fix the offense in one offseason. Next year I'd go with 7-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 1 minute ago, timtebow15 said: I would never predict that because they can't fix the offense in one offseason. Next year I'd go with 7-9. The Rams and Bears would beg to differ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timtebow15 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah, that’s the part I hate. Allen is a rookie on a bad offense (the same people who picked him built this offense). So he gets some slack. But to pretend like other QBs won’t make plays with this ground is just silly. Minus Moss, Brady made stars out of scrubs. People used to talk about how terrible the Steelers and Seahawks oline were but Big Ben and Wilson still made plays and won. Mahomes is missing his 2nd receiver, pro bowl rb, and still makes plays. Hell, Nick Mullen’s plays with crap and is a better passer. Allen does some great things. But the excuses are so old. Hopefully, we upgrade the oline and get Julio and AJ Green so we can stop with the excuse making. Merry Christams! I understand - my opinion of the oline is just way worse than some other people I think. In all those examples there was a much offensive line than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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