Remember when we had an offense .......

[Maine-iac]

 

[Fadingpain]

LOL.  I thought you were going to discuss the Superbowl years.

You know, when we had an offense that was so potent and innovative, it forced the Raiders to burn a TO while on defense in an AFC championship game.   They did that out of sheer confusion.  They were "tapping out" to stop the bludgeoning for a moment while they tried to figure out what the hell was going on.

 

I want to see THAT offense again some day before I die!

 

 

 

 

[Maine-iac]

Truth be told the 2016 Bill's offense scored in the top 5 offenses in team history.  Despite all the talk of fixing this position and that I still think it's a matter of getting a good coach on both sides of the ball.  Interesting chart that visually shows scoring vs defense for the last 20 years.

 

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/teams/324/buffalo-bills/#Points per Game$SeasonMax=9999&SeasonMin=1990

[BuffAlone]

Loved Karlos! What an absolute shame

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

My memory doesn't go that far back. Seems like eternity since the K-gun years. After that is was sporadic decent years, but never anything special or consistent.

[Steptide]

14 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Truth be told the 2016 Bill's offense scored in the top 5 offenses in team history.  Despite all the talk of fixing this position and that I still think it's a matter of getting a good coach on both sides of the ball.  Interesting chart that visually shows scoring vs defense for the last 20 years.

 

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/teams/324/buffalo-bills/#Points per Game$SeasonMax=9999&SeasonMin=1990

Problem was, Rex ruined the defense. Put our current defense with that offense and you might have a legit superbowl contender, even though Tyrod was still tyrod

[Boca BIlls]

42 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

 

Lol one game wasnt offense

[Maine-iac]

9 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Problem was, Rex ruined the defense. Put our current defense with that offense and you might have a legit superbowl contender, even though Tyrod was still tyrod

Well and interesting enough I've been thinking about that.  What does/did Tyrod do that Allen can't do?  Allen seems very capable of running RPO's and getting out of the pocket if need be.  I say that not so much because of the passing game but the running game.  How come our running game is SO bad.  It literally has to be coaching or discipline.  Taylor wasn't, as everyone says, a franchise QB.  Why can't Allen do what Taylor was doing?  Why can't we at the very least run the ball?  Again not asking as a knock on Allen.  Asking because I think we should be able to do more than 10 points per game and I think it's on coaching and use of personnel.  As far as Rex I was always critical of the fact that he didn't get the defense together but I feel like he ran a super complicated defense and with only two years he was somewhat handcuffed with the players he inherited ( Mario and the two safeties).  In particular I felt like he never got the back end of his defense sorted.

1 minute ago, Boca BIlls said:

Lol one game wasnt offense

399 points in a season is top 5 in Bill's history.  Top ten in the NFL.  That is offense.  Try harder.

[LSHMEAB]

We really didn't appreciate Anthony Lynn or even Greg Roman for that matter.

 

Daboll is worse. Much, much, much worse.

[Steptide]

8 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Well and interesting enough I've been thinking about that.  What does/did Tyrod do that Allen can't do?  Allen seems very capable of running RPO's and getting out of the pocket if need be.  I say that not so much because of the passing game but the running game.  How come our running game is SO bad.  It literally has to be coaching or discipline.  Taylor wasn't, as everyone says, a franchise QB.  Why can't Allen do what Taylor was doing?  Why can't we at the very least run the ball?  Again not asking as a knock on Allen.  Asking because I think we should be able to do more than 10 points per game and I think it's on coaching and use of personnel.  As far as Rex I was always critical of the fact that he didn't get the defense together but I feel like he ran a super complicated defense and with only two years he was somewhat handcuffed with the players he inherited ( Mario and the two safeties).  In particular I felt like he never got the back end of his defense sorted.

399 points in a season is top 5 in Bill's history.  Top ten in the NFL.  That is offense.  Try harder.

That particular o-line was much better at run blocking than our current one. The offensive scheme then was alot different. Allen can probably do more than Tyrod honestly, he just needs time. He's still young 

[Warcodered]

Offense what that?

[Boca BIlls]

14 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Well and interesting enough I've been thinking about that.  What does/did Tyrod do that Allen can't do?  Allen seems very capable of running RPO's and getting out of the pocket if need be.  I say that not so much because of the passing game but the running game.  How come our running game is SO bad.  It literally has to be coaching or discipline.  Taylor wasn't, as everyone says, a franchise QB.  Why can't Allen do what Taylor was doing?  Why can't we at the very least run the ball?  Again not asking as a knock on Allen.  Asking because I think we should be able to do more than 10 points per game and I think it's on coaching and use of personnel.  As far as Rex I was always critical of the fact that he didn't get the defense together but I feel like he ran a super complicated defense and with only two years he was somewhat handcuffed with the players he inherited ( Mario and the two safeties).  In particular I felt like he never got the back end of his defense sorted.

399 points in a season is top 5 in Bill's history.  Top ten in the NFL.  That is offense.  Try harder.

Bills have a horrible history with offense, try again.

[White Linen]

I like where our offense is now. 

[Maine-iac]

3 minutes ago, White Linen said:

I like where our offense is now. 

 

20 minutes ago, Steptide said:

That particular o-line was much better at run blocking than our current one. The offensive scheme then was alot different. Allen can probably do more than Tyrod honestly, he just needs time. He's still young 

I definately think you are right.  I just think a better running game would help Allen as much as anything and that even with a line that isn't that line can do better.  The scheme is definately part of it but I also feel like we did a much better job of getting carries to the RB that was hot.  They were not afraid to get Karlos or Gillislee in there.  Maybe this offense is every bit the 10 ppg game they are currently scoring but somehow I feel like they could be a lot better.  We have 7 games left hopefully they put some things together.

 

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, BillsRdue said:

My memory doesn't go that far back. Seems like eternity since the K-gun years. After that is was sporadic decent years, but never anything special or consistent.

Didn't we have a great year with  Bledsoe/Travis Henry/Moulds/Price ?  I think we had 2 1000-yard WRs that year.   I think we still finished 8-8!!!

[Maine-iac]

6 minutes ago, ganesh said:

Didn't we have a great year with  Bledsoe/Travis Henry/Moulds/Price ?  I think we had 2 1000-yard WRs that year.   I think we still finished 8-8!!!

Larry Centers and Riemersma as well.  That year the defense was giving up 24 plus points per game.  The next season we lost Price, Centers, and Riemersma and dropped to 15 ppg.  Two seasons later, still with Bledsoe, we had Moulds and Evans and scored almost 25 ppg and almost made the playoffs if it weren't for Willie Parker.  The chart shows it pretty well.  The offenses have been pretty up and down and the defenses have been mostly bad.  Before 2014 we had only scored more than was scored against us once since 2000.

[Bing Bong]

2 hours ago, BuffAlone said:

Loved Karlos! What an absolute shame

Dem one cut slashers come and go. And we've had someone backing Shady up before Karlos and after.

 

Karlos was the best tho. Sorry Ivory.

[The Process]

Remember when this team was offensive? Ummmm just last week! ?

[Green Lightning]

Like we have in past years, by the time the offense looks good the defense will decline. We just can't seem to have them both operate at the same level at the same time.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

[US Egg]

52 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

by the time the offense looks good the defense will decline. We just can't seem to have them both operate at the same level at the same time.

True, but the glaring discrepancy between the "O and "D" along with the horrible on field results hasn't been this bad in over 30 yrs.

 

Truly a team for the ages regarding an incompetence of being able to compete. The too frequent blowout losses are proof enough.

[klos63]

14 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

Well and interesting enough I've been thinking about that.  What does/did Tyrod do that Allen can't do?  Allen seems very capable of running RPO's and getting out of the pocket if need be.  I say that not so much because of the passing game but the running game.  How come our running game is SO bad.  It literally has to be coaching or discipline.  Taylor wasn't, as everyone says, a franchise QB.  Why can't Allen do what Taylor was doing?  Why can't we at the very least run the ball?  Again not asking as a knock on Allen.  Asking because I think we should be able to do more than 10 points per game and I think it's on coaching and use of personnel.  As far as Rex I was always critical of the fact that he didn't get the defense together but I feel like he ran a super complicated defense and with only two years he was somewhat handcuffed with the players he inherited ( Mario and the two safeties).  In particular I felt like he never got the back end of his defense sorted.

399 points in a season is top 5 in Bill's history.  Top ten in the NFL.  That is offense.  Try harder.

This offensive line could be one of the worst in Bills history, that would hurt any QB. Taylor rarely turned the ball over, that's a really big thing. Allen could still be a strong QB, not fair to judge him just yet. He has little talent around him and he's not fully prepared yet.

[The Frankish Reich]

There's a new book out about the early days of the NFL, "The League: How Five Rivals Created the NFL and Launched an Empire." Looks like a good read. Here's a line from a review of the book:  "The pros routinely slogged away to scoreless ties in games dominated by running plays and drop kicked field goals. It was hard to throw the roundish ball, and when passes were allowed, they could only be thrown from at least 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. In 1932, teams averaged 8 points a game."  The Bills are currently averaging 10.7 points per game, and trending downwards. We may hit 1932 levels yet!

EDIT: The Jets, hardly an offensive juggernaut with a rookie QB themselves, have scored more than double the points we've scored. We are really entering uncharted territory with this offense. It's actually difficult to be this inept offensively in the 2018 version of the NFL. But we're doing it.

Edited November 10, 2018 by The Frankish Reich

[NoHuddleKelly12]

18 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

LOL.  I thought you were going to discuss the Superbowl years.

You know, when we had an offense that was so potent and innovative, it forced the Raiders to burn a TO while on defense in an AFC championship game.   They did that out of sheer confusion.  They were "tapping out" to stop the bludgeoning for a moment while they tried to figure out what the hell was going on.

 

I want to see THAT offense again some day before I die!

 

 

 

 

JK calling all of his own plays at the line in a hurry up mode was always special to behold because it was easier to jump all over a D on their heels that way and dictate your terms on them all the way to the end zone—I should’ve appreciated those days more in the moment because I had no idea it would be so difficult to replicate with successive generations!

[Another Fan]

18 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

LOL.  I thought you were going to discuss the Superbowl years.

You know, when we had an offense that was so potent and innovative, it forced the Raiders to burn a TO while on defense in an AFC championship game.   They did that out of sheer confusion.  They were "tapping out" to stop the bludgeoning for a moment while they tried to figure out what the hell was going on.

 

I want to see THAT offense again some day before I die!

 

 

 

 

I’d settle for an even a Chan Gailey coached offense at this point 

[Rebel101]

18 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

LOL.  I thought you were going to discuss the Superbowl years.

You know, when we had an offense that was so potent and innovative, it forced the Raiders to burn a TO while on defense in an AFC championship game.   They did that out of sheer confusion.  They were "tapping out" to stop the bludgeoning for a moment while they tried to figure out what the hell was going on.

 

I want to see THAT offense again some day before I die!

 

 

 

 

I definitely didn’t think he was going to say anytime in the last decade lol

[Green Lightning]

3 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

True, but the glaring discrepancy between the "O and "D" along with the horrible on field results hasn't been this bad in over 30 yrs.

 

Truly a team for the ages regarding an incompetence of being able to compete. The too frequent blowout losses are proof enough.

It is true that we are venturing into uncharted territory for bad offenses.

[ctk232]

On 11/9/2018 at 4:57 PM, Maine-iac said:

Well and interesting enough I've been thinking about that.  What does/did Tyrod do that Allen can't do?  Allen seems very capable of running RPO's and getting out of the pocket if need be.  I say that not so much because of the passing game but the running game.  How come our running game is SO bad.  It literally has to be coaching or discipline.  Taylor wasn't, as everyone says, a franchise QB.  Why can't Allen do what Taylor was doing?  Why can't we at the very least run the ball?  Again not asking as a knock on Allen.  Asking because I think we should be able to do more than 10 points per game and I think it's on coaching and use of personnel.  As far as Rex I was always critical of the fact that he didn't get the defense together but I feel like he ran a super complicated defense and with only two years he was somewhat handcuffed with the players he inherited ( Mario and the two safeties).  In particular I felt like he never got the back end of his defense sorted.

The offensive line...every offense starts and stops with the offensive line. You need a good QB to make the passing game, but it all starts with the OL.

 

Board refreshed so apologies for the redundancy. I do wonder about the QB position, but I do think you'll see a difference in Allen's play with a more stout OL. Granted it won't solve all the issues, but it will hopefully give him more of the mindset to work within the pocket and find the open route.

Edited November 12, 2018 by ctk232