twoandfourteen Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I hear a lot of the #TeamProcess guys touting how much cap space McD & Beane created & will have available to them to "rebuild" the offense. Apparently that is supposed to serve as evidence that these guys know what they are doing. Do you McBeaners really think ANY free agent of any offensive worth will willingly come here for the going market rate? Do you have any idea just how much you're going to have to overpay to even get one of those guys to return your call? There is going to be a MASSIVE tax on Free Agent signings for the Bills during the next offseason. That $90M is going to go pretty quick on the marginal-to-mediocre talent that will inevitably sign here. Not to mention that they are only going to bring in guys that know their Scripture passages as well as they know their playbook, so the talent pool is limited to begin with. The intelligent & rational among us will soon realize that Free Agency might as well be seen as irrelevant moving forward. McD's ineptitude and arrogance has set this team back 5-8 years, at least. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 If only there was some facts, reason, or logic in your post...but since there isn’t, I will move on 8 6 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: I hear a lot of the #TeamProcess guys touting how much cap space McD & Beane created & will have available to them to "rebuild" the offense. Apparently that is supposed to serve as evidence that these guys know what they are doing. Do you McBeaners really think ANY free agent of any offensive worth will willingly come here for the going market rate? Do you have any idea just how much you're going to have to overpay to even get one of those guys to return your call? There is going to be a MASSIVE tax on Free Agent signings for the Bills during the next offseason. That $90M is going to go pretty quick on the marginal-to-mediocre talent that will inevitably sign here. Not to mention that they are only going to bring in guys that know their Scripture passages as well as they know their playbook, so the talent pool is limited to begin with. The intelligent & rational among us will soon realize that Free Agency might as well be seen as irrelevant moving forward. McD's ineptitude and arrogance has set this team back 5-8 years, at least. I don't see any, do you? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 McBeaners? ? At least we have the tantrums around here to distract from the pains of rebuilding. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I’m not optimistic about their prospects in FA. Their drafting of offensive talent appears suspect as well. When the postscript is written on Beane /McD it will show they really boxed themselves in with their slash and burn methodology. Too big a hole to dig out of. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Browns picked up some good players and they had 1 win in 2 seasons. We'll be alright. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, Steptide said: Browns picked up some good players and they had 1 win in 2 seasons. We'll be alright. It's almost like people have an agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: It's almost like people have an agenda. Ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: If only there was some facts, reason, or logic in your post...but since there isn’t, I will move on So you don't think that the Bills will have any problem signing quality FAs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, twoandfourteen said: So you don't think that the Bills will have any problem signing quality FAs? None, this topic is the most tiresome crap I read on these boards. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I dont think its really fair to ding our front office for mistakes they havent made yet. I know this season hasnt worked out like many would like, but this team wasnt built to win this year plain & simple. All these topics are just the result of this bottoming out process. Naturally we're gonna see a lot of negative posts while ur losing, but as we all know, this was the plan. Maybe this offseason will go as the Rams offseason was a couple years back. Where we pick up some talent finally & balance our offense to the talent of our defense. Until then i guess we'll just keep on going in circles with the what if's & what nots & Allen is a bust & this or that. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, Real McCoy said: None, this topic is the most tiresome crap I read on these boards. over and over and over and over and over 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Money will be spent along the offensive line where applicable. Possibly a wide receiver if a good one is available. Also have some defensive guys that will need contracts. Looks like we'll have a very high draft pick which will either be traded to move down or an edge rusher will be selected. You may be right that there will be a crappy team tax but how is that really any different than any other year for the past two decades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, joesixpack said: over and over and over and over and over Spot on, just perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Steptide said: Browns picked up some good players and they had 1 win in 2 seasons. We'll be alright. Big difference between trades and free agency. Best player the Browns signed was Carlos Hyde, who is no longer with the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, twoandfourteen said: Big difference between trades and free agency. Best player the Browns signed was Carlos Hyde, who is no longer with the team. Because Nick Chubb and David Johnson stepped up, and there was no need for Hyde. He could have easily stayed in San Fran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Luka said: Money will be spent along the offensive line where applicable. Possibly a wide receiver if a good one is available. Also have some defensive guys that will need contracts. Looks like we'll have a very high draft pick which will either be traded to move down or an edge rusher will be selected. You may be right that there will be a crappy team tax but how is that really any different than any other year for the past two decades? Exactly. So the $90M in Free Cap defense for McD is kind of irrelevant, since it does not really give them any advantage. That's my point. It's been difficult in the past to sign guys and now the situation is even worse. 3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Because Nick Chubb and David Johnson stepped up, and there was no need for Hyde. He could have easily stayed in San Fran. Great. Couldn't care less about what Chubb & Johnson are doing. The Browns didn't acquire any other offensive player of note in Free Agency. That was my point. As an aside, "Chubb & Johnson" is a hilarious name for a fantasy team next year. You're welcome, and remember -- this website is FREE. Edited November 4, 2018 by twoandfourteen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, twoandfourteen said: Exactly. So the $90M in Free Cap defense for McD is kind of irrelevant, since it does not really give them any advantage. That's my point. It's been difficult in the past to sign guys and now the situation is even worse. That's technically false. With that much cap space, we can make up for the fact that we might have to pay the tax and still get the guys we're after. This is an extremely young team, the free agents we'll be targeting will be mostly offensive line and wide receiver. And wide out is the only one of those two positions where we'll be paying a premium anyways. Don't expect every penny to be spent. "The Process" is clearly based on building through the draft and attempting to add quality free agents where applicable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, Luka said: Money will be spent along the offensive line where applicable. Possibly a wide receiver if a good one is available. Also have some defensive guys that will need contracts. Looks like we'll have a very high draft pick which will either be traded to move down or an edge rusher will be selected. You may be right that there will be a crappy team tax but how is that really any different than any other year for the past two decades? If there isn't one available, then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 There will be talent available. We just need to find it. One year ago, the Chicago Bears were in a very similar position as us. They had a rookie QB with virtually no weapons, and a terrible offensive line. It was hard to get excited about their Free Agent pickups. Taylor Gabriel. Tre Burton. Bradley Sowell. Even Allen Robinson was coming off an ACL injury. But all of those guys have made a big impact, and really helped turn the team around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Because Nick Chubb and David Johnson stepped up, and there was no need for Hyde. He could have easily stayed in San Fran. David Johnson is on the cardinals. Hyde was on San Fran 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 29 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: I hear a lot of the #TeamProcess guys touting how much cap space McD & Beane created & will have available to them to "rebuild" the offense. Apparently that is supposed to serve as evidence that these guys know what they are doing. Do you McBeaners really think ANY free agent of any offensive worth will willingly come here for the going market rate? Do you have any idea just how much you're going to have to overpay to even get one of those guys to return your call? There is going to be a MASSIVE tax on Free Agent signings for the Bills during the next offseason. That $90M is going to go pretty quick on the marginal-to-mediocre talent that will inevitably sign here. Not to mention that they are only going to bring in guys that know their Scripture passages as well as they know their playbook, so the talent pool is limited to begin with. The intelligent & rational among us will soon realize that Free Agency might as well be seen as irrelevant moving forward. McD's ineptitude and arrogance has set this team back 5-8 years, at least. I suspect that McBeane are going to have to overpay to replace those guys that they thought were overpaid. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: David Johnson is on the cardinals. Hyde was on San Fran Duke Johnson. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, twoandfourteen said: If there isn't one available, then what? Then we obviously draft one. I get it, this team sucks, you're upset. But you're really throwing out all logic with this. Every team faces the same problems every year. The ones that seem to be unaffected are the ones with good QBs. Only time will tell if we'll be one of those teams. While you may agree or disagree with the aquistions made, they are attempting to build a team like a modern NFL franchise in the era of free agency. Draft draft draft and sign a free agent or two when needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 The Browns and Bucs haven't made the playoffs in roughly a combined 30 years and they still make big signings seemingly every offseason. Buffalo will be able to sign guys if they want to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: I hear a lot of the #TeamProcess guys touting how much cap space McD & Beane created & will have available to them to "rebuild" the offense. Apparently that is supposed to serve as evidence that these guys know what they are doing. Do you McBeaners really think ANY free agent of any offensive worth will willingly come here for the going market rate? Do you have any idea just how much you're going to have to overpay to even get one of those guys to return your call? There is going to be a MASSIVE tax on Free Agent signings for the Bills during the next offseason. That $90M is going to go pretty quick on the marginal-to-mediocre talent that will inevitably sign here. Not to mention that they are only going to bring in guys that know their Scripture passages as well as they know their playbook, so the talent pool is limited to begin with. The intelligent & rational among us will soon realize that Free Agency might as well be seen as irrelevant moving forward. McD's ineptitude and arrogance has set this team back 5-8 years, at least. Funny every regime has "set this team back blah blah blah" You can get good in a single offseason if you play your cards right. All it takes is for a good draft and off season. Better make it your best this coming draft. Better hope Josh Allen is who you need him to be. Edited November 4, 2018 by Boca BIlls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotme365 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Forget free agency. The first thing they need to do is find a new o line coach. There is absolutely no running game and guys are still confused on simple stunts. Castillo needs to go the minute the last game is over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Bro, money talks, always has, always will, not just football, any business Just now, gotme365 said: Forget free agency. The first thing they need to do is find a new o line coach. There is absolutely no running game and guys are still confused on simple stunts. Castillo needs to go the minute the last game is over My first thought/hope is Daboll demands this change the day the season ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: So you don't think that the Bills will have any problem signing quality FAs? Nope. Edited November 4, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Nope. We had to basically kidnap and then overpay Mario a few years back when we were not as much of an embarrassment around the league as we are now. From your lips to the quality FA's agents' bank accounts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Every team that cares will be going after the best free agentS the Bills don’t have a secret pipeline that bypasses the other 28 or so teams looking to sign FAs in the offseason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 59 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: If only there was some facts, reason, or logic in your post...but since there isn’t, I will move on How bout history? Maclin and John Brown say hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, DCOrange said: The Browns and Bucs haven't made the playoffs in roughly a combined 30 years and they still make big signings seemingly every offseason. Buffalo will be able to sign guys if they want to. Correct. I don't think the current state of the team is going to impact free agency. The standard cold weather/small market aspect will always be a factor whether we like to admit it or not. At the end of the day, money talks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Peter said: We had to basically kidnap and then overpay Mario a few years back when we were not as much of an embarrassment around the league as we are now. From your lips to the quality FA's agents' bank accounts. Thats your made up fan version of the story. Mario stayed because he chose to stay and was interested in signing here. He even gave Bills first visit. No one held him or kidnapped him. He stayed to get a deal done and we got a deal done. Everything you just said has literally no facts in it as to how we landed Mario Edited November 4, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Thats your made up fan version of the story. Mario stayed because he chose to stay and was interested in signing here. He even gave Bills first visit. No one held him or kidnapped him. He stayed to get a deal done and we got a deal done. Everything you just said has literally no facts in it. Whatever. If I recall correctly, we paid him the largest contract in the history of the NFL at that time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: How bout history? Maclin and John Brown say hi. FA say no to multiple teams every year. We won’t be a special circumstance. Maclin for instance had off field reasons. But keep trying to force a paranoid narrative. 2 minutes ago, Peter said: Whatever. If I recall correctly, we paid him the largest contract in the history of the NFL at that time. Which ANY team was gonna pay him, he was the number one FA. So yeah, whatever. Keep clinging to urban legends, I’ll stick with the facts. Thanks Edited November 4, 2018 by Alphadawg7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, KD in CA said: At least we have the tantrums around here to distract from the pains of rebuilding. They really do make it entertaining 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: FA say no to multiple teams every year. We won’t be a special circumstance. Maclin for instance had off field reasons. But keep trying to force a paranoid narrative. Which ANY team was gonna pay him, he was the number one FA. So yeah, whatever. Keep clinging to urban legends, I’ll stick with the facts. Thanks I cannot wait for all of the bargains we are going to get this off season from quality free agents itching for a chance to play for McCoach with a history of blow out losses and wanting to pay NYS income taxes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: FA say no to multiple teams every year. We won’t be a special circumstance. Maclin for instance had off field reasons. But keep trying to force a paranoid narrative. Which ANY team was gonna pay him, he was the number one FA. So yeah, whatever. Keep clinging to urban legends, I’ll stick with the facts. Thanks Fact: the last good WR to sign as a FA in Buffalo was the corpse of TO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 48 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: So the $90M in Free Cap defense for McD is kind of irrelevant, since it does not really give them any advantage. That's my point. It's been difficult in the past to sign guys and now the situation is even worse. Kind of irrelevant? What? While I do agree a bad team in a small market makes it harder to get some guys and have to "overpay" compared to other teams, saying it's irrelevant is just being a pouty negative crybaby. Which after a stretch of games like this year can be easy to comprehend but come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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