NO points... AGAIN!!!

[JPP]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

It's one thing to put players in positions to make plays and another to make miracles, the fact that this offense was keeping up until the end was a miracle in itself, you do understand our veteran QB even being a veteran was on the couch at home with his family now he is the starter of our football team, it's crazy that they didn't put up another 40 burger on us. I just feel for the defense who usually is the reason were in these games in the first place.

Actually he was on the golf course playing in an actual tournament.....its too bad for him if his arm is actually broken from the last play last night......

[Heavy Kevi]

7 hours ago, Braveheart said:

Nonsense. As OC your job is to put players in position to make plays! This guy's offense sucks and doesn't maximize the talent that they do have! As OC your job is to gain yards and score points in EVERY game like the rest of the league, or at the very least score points in SOME games. Not NO points in 7 games! Like I said, I should call the plays and Bills win this game easily!

 

Cool story. What talent? Smack dab in the middle of a tear-down with less than 70% of the money of other teams. 

 

But tantrums are so 2018, so you fit right in.

[Bfanlc]

1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

I hope this is sarcasm. There are multiple nobodies who started for them and had success. Their schemes are a big part of their success.

Without Brady those nobodies dont do squat.  Again put NP in their scheme and see what happens. 

[Wayne Arnold]

Anyone blaming Daboll for this mess has his head so far up his ass.

[Chicken Boo]

Just sit back and enjoy the ride, man.  We're en route to a top 5 pick.

 

At this point, it's all about the long game.

[Braveheart]

1 hour ago, Shotgunner said:

 

Cool story. What talent? Smack dab in the middle of a tear-down with less than 70% of the money of other teams. 

 

But tantrums are so 2018, so you fit right in.

What talent? Lol...There is talent there. Let me call the plays and I'll show you how to maximize it!

[Nihilarian]

3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

They are nfl players.      Guess Daboll is your new guy to make excuses for 

Bills fans love to make excuses. They made them for Jauron and his choices for OCs. they made them for Gailey, they made them for Rex Ryan's defense.

 

For the love of god a blind person could see that Rex was using those stars on the defensive line all wrong and all I did was argue with fans about it...all the way up until they fired him.

 

If this HC/GM don't make a move to correct the offense after this game or by the bye week, then they themselves deserve to be fired.

 

To me 2-6 isn't as bad as the point differential 87-200. What will it be like at the end of the year 174-400? The defense isn't that bad and the offense can't stay on the field so it makes them look bad. 

 

This OC can't find a way to make anything work. But then again he was never any good in any of his past offenses either! 

Edited October 30, 2018 by Nihilarian

[Braveheart]

10 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Anyone blaming Daboll for this mess has his head so far up his ass.

Ha! Next!

Edited October 30, 2018 by Braveheart

[CuddyDark]

9 hours ago, Braveheart said:

Lol. This is seriously a joke. 0-3 points at the half...Again...for who knows how many games. 6 points total. OC needs to go! Since week 1! Team had plenty of chances to make plays on D- 3 dropped picks, missed fumble recovery. Gotta make plays. Make a play. 1 play.

 

2 plays:

1) 3rd & 8 and you run it!??? You're not fooling anyone trying to outsmart the Defense. You pass it for the first down and go for the Touchdown!

 

2) Big pass play to Benjamin. Next play, you run wildcat for -5!??? Terribleee play calling. With the momentum of a big play- You pass it again across the middle! Go after them and score a TD!

 

OC needs to go. I should call the plays and I'll take this team to the promised land!

You have to understand this is the team McDermott wants to build. If he gets it right, we will be the Seahawks, not the Rams or Pats or Chiefs. He's not trying to build that team. He wants the team from last year but with more talent. He wants to run the QB. He want to run trick plays. He wants to win because his defense killed the other team. From what I can see he's trying to build the Eagles with McNabb or the Cam led Panthers. If we score a lot of points it will be because of short fields and turnovers. The defense is still missing 3 or 4 players. They need a boundary corner, a long elite right end, a young Kyle Williams and a 3 down strong side who is interchangeable with Milano in coverage.

 

On offense they'll probably go LT and C before receiver. They don't want a showboat receiver. They want receivers who can make tough catches. The big play they want in the passing game will need to be made by the tight end. It can work or you can become the Bengals where it's just not good enough in the modern NFL to play this kind of football, especially in the playoffs.

[BillsFan130]

8 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

How hard is it to understand that you can draw up the play....but the players have to execute it and our offensive talent is VERY BAD

 

Cant run a screen to save our lives

 

Cant pickup up the middle blitzes (blitz protection starts inside and you work your way out.....we are giving up INSIDE BLITZ SACKS

 

Nobody can get consistant separation....players are not open when they need to be

 

And this happens EVERY WEEK

 

Until the team retools the offense with wide receivers that are actually NFL talent and a offensive line that Shady doent run into the ass of the back of his offensive linemen and fall down because they cant run block....until we get blocking at the 2nd level....until we are not playing a retired golfer and a guy that cant stay away from throwing interceptions on the out route

 

We will continue to see this.....DEBOLL DOES NOT HAVE THE PLAYERS TO RUN HIS OFFENSE

Problems with Daboll last night:

 

1. Trying to run east/west against a Bill Belichick defence that notoriously sets the edge to perfection.

2.  Wildcat was a good wrinkle but went to the "well" way too many times. Cost them 2 drives by losing huge plays

3. Ivory should have gotten way more carries than McCoy. It was obvious from the 1st quarter that McCoy did not have it, yet it took Daboll to the late 3rd quarter to realize that Ivory was the better option on early downs

4. Throwing it on 3rd and shorts. He has no problem running it all game on 2nd and longs into a crowded box, yet he refuses to run it on 3rd and 3s or 2s. Since he has this retired QB that sucks, you think you would want to maybe run it on 3rd and 2 instead of putting it in his hands?

5. Go routes- He finally threw in some crossing routes but then in the 2nd half it seemed the majority of the calls he went back to his "staple" go routes.

 

These things I listed above have NOTHING to do with talent. It is just piss poor game planning and play calling, especially in key situations.

[Wayne Arnold]

44 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Bills fans love to make excuses. They made them for Jauron and his choices for OCs. they made them for Gailey, they made them for Rex Ryan's defense.

 

For the love of god a blind person could see that Rex was using those stars on the defensive line all wrong and all I did was argue with fans about it...all the way up until they fired him.

 

If this HC/GM don't make a move to correct the offense after this game or by the bye week, then they themselves deserve to be fired.

 

To me 2-6 isn't as bad as the point differential 87-200. What will it be like at the end of the year 174-400? The defense isn't that bad and the offense can't stay on the field so it makes them look bad. 

 

This OC can't find a way to make anything work. But then again he was never any good in any of his past offenses either! 

 

It’s been half a season working with two of the worst QB’s in NFL history and a rookie who isn’t close to fully cooked. Use your brain, sir.

[Heavy Kevi]

54 minutes ago, Braveheart said:

What talent? Lol...There is talent there. Let me call the plays and I'll show you how to maximize it!

 

Got it.

 

I thought you were serious but now realize you are just trolling.

 

Carry on

[CincyBillsFan]

Any thoughts that the improved passing yardage the last two games is encouraging should be snuffed out by the following observations:

 

*  Anderson is good at padding his stats by going to the check down receiver almost immediately.  Against both Indy & NE he was constantly throwing 6 yard passes on 3rd and 10.  The defense will give you those every time.  Ditto for his ability to exploit a teams prevent defense when they're  ahead by multiple TD's.  Now to be clear I don't blame Anderson in the least for this.  When he signed on it wasn't to actually have to QB this offense.  But it does indicate that we should be careful when looking at the raw passing yardage numbers.  The only numbers that really matter are zero TD's the last 2 games and last night we never made it into the Pats red zone.

 

*  We should also keep in mind that the offensive struggles the last 2 weeks have come against the #21 (Indy) and #25 (NE) rated defenses. 

[Mr. WEO]

10 hours ago, Shotgunner said:

Not hard to find a reason why an OC is struggling with exactly zero qualified WRs, no OL, a 5th round QB from last year, then a rookie QB, and now a 200 year old vet QB that hasn't played since the Bush adminiatration and just got here 17 days ago.

 

Daboll is not even on the top 10 list of our problems.

 

 

He has a 1st and a 2nd (both top 40) picks at his disposal...

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, billsfan11 said:

Problems with Daboll last night:

 

1. Trying to run east/west against a Bill Belichick defence that notoriously sets the edge to perfection.

2.  Wildcat was a good wrinkle but went to the "well" way too many times. Cost them 2 drives by losing huge plays

3. Ivory should have gotten way more carries than McCoy. It was obvious from the 1st quarter that McCoy did not have it, yet it took Daboll to the late 3rd quarter to realize that Ivory was the better option on early downs

4. Throwing it on 3rd and shorts. He has no problem running it all game on 2nd and longs into a crowded box, yet he refuses to run it on 3rd and 3s or 2s. Since he has this retired QB that sucks, you think you would want to maybe run it on 3rd and 2 instead of putting it in his hands?

5. Go routes- He finally threw in some crossing routes but then in the 2nd half it seemed the majority of the calls he went back to his "staple" go routes.

 

These things I listed above have NOTHING to do with talent. It is just piss poor game planning and play calling, especially in key situations.

They dont have the talent on offense to run the most basic plays.....and the defenses are too good and sniff them out....we literallly have NO deep speed to keep teams honest.....

 

This is not Debolls fault...and if it was he would have been fired by now simple as that

[Heavy Kevi]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

He has a 1st and a 2nd (both top 40) picks at his disposal...

 

I said qualified, not where they were drafted.

 

By your logic, we should bring back James Hardy (pick 41).

[BillsFan130]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

They dont have the talent on offense to run the most basic plays.....and the defenses are too good and sniff them out....we literallly have NO deep speed to keep teams honest.....

 

This is not Debolls fault...and if it was he would have been fired by now simple as that

I gave 5 examples where talent has literally nothing to do with his piss poor decisions and play calling

[Braveheart]

25 minutes ago, Shotgunner said:

 

Got it.

 

I thought you were serious but now realize you are just trolling.

 

Carry on

Next!

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Shotgunner said:

 

I said qualified, not where they were drafted.

 

By your logic, we should bring back James Hardy (pick 41).

 

How are they not qualified?  Benjamin had seasons with 1008 and 941 yards his first 2 years.

[Heavy Kevi]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

How are they not qualified?  Benjamin had seasons with 1008 and 941 yards his first 2 years.

 

Rookie stats are old news, right now Benjamin can't run or catch. As a WR I say that makes him not qualified.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Shotgunner said:

 

Rookie stats are old news, right now Benjamin can't run or catch. As a WR I say that makes him not qualified.

 

 

So if he went back to Carolina and Newton, he would not be qualified to be on their roster either?

 

And which qualified WRs out there would be racking up the yards on this offense right now?

[FistingBot]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

They dont have the talent on offense to run the most basic plays.....and the defenses are too good and sniff them out....we literallly have NO deep speed to keep teams honest.....

 

This is not Debolls fault...and if it was he would have been fired by now simple as that

 

2 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

I gave 5 examples where talent has literally nothing to do with his piss poor decisions and play calling

 

To chime in... We have one of the best running backs in the game yet he barely touches the ball, and many players who have had at least moderate success elsewhere (Benjamin, Clay, etc.). We ran the Wildcat 10 times yesterday! 10! The first time or two it was fine. Then every time afterward it got blown up. ...and we kept f'ing running it! We have a massive 6'5 receiver who lacks deep speed. Do we ever throw the slant to him (or any other receiver)? Ever? No, we send him deep even though he doesn't have the speed to beat average cornerbacks. We ran a flee flicker with the tight end as the intended target. Who does that? How often do we run screen passes? ...IMHO, an offense is all about creating mismatches and we simply don't do that.

 

Again, no one is saying we have Pats-level talent. But, we've scored two touchdowns in 5 weeks and are on pace to be one of the worst offenses in modern history. Talent aside, this is a lousy scheme. I don't expect miracle with this roster, but a touchdown every now and again isn't a ridiculous ask in a league where scoring is way up.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

2 hours ago, JPP said:

Actually he was on the golf course playing in an actual tournament.....its too bad for him if his arm is actually broken from the last play last night......

 

Is that a true story? I thought I read he was on vacation with his family, my mistake. Any word on his arm?

[BuffaloHokie13]

The stat they showed last night says it all. 0 TDs on the last 50 drives that started in our own territory.

[dave mcbride]

41 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Any thoughts that the improved passing yardage the last two games is encouraging should be snuffed out by the following observations:

 

*  Anderson is good at padding his stats by going to the check down receiver almost immediately.  Against both Indy & NE he was constantly throwing 6 yard passes on 3rd and 10.  The defense will give you those every time.  Ditto for his ability to exploit a teams prevent defense when they're  ahead by multiple TD's.  Now to be clear I don't blame Anderson in the least for this.  When he signed on it wasn't to actually have to QB this offense.  But it does indicate that we should be careful when looking at the raw passing yardage numbers.  The only numbers that really matter are zero TD's the last 2 games and last night we never made it into the Pats red zone.

 

*  We should also keep in mind that the offensive struggles the last 2 weeks have come against the #21 (Indy) and #25 (NE) rated defenses. 

Indy was 25th when they played them. It's amazing what happens to a D's ranking after they play the Bills. NE's will go up too in the DVOA rankings. The Bills offense gooses the stats of every defense they play. 

[Heavy Kevi]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

So if he went back to Carolina and Newton, he would not be qualified to be on their roster either?

 

And which qualified WRs out there would be racking up the yards on this offense right now?

 

Cool man, just keep changing your argument. First, top 40 meant qualified, then it was rookie stats, and now it's hypothetical situations.

 

As I stated, in my opinion Benjamin is not a qualified receiver. Get over trying to parse out every word and understand the real argument.

 

I didn't say there were WRs out there that are better, didn't criticize anyone for not bringing people in. My argument is that it is not Dabolls fault the offense sucks but since you have no real argument for that you choose to argue about our differing definitions of "qualified" WRs.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Shotgunner said:

 

Cool man, just keep changing your argument. First, top 40 meant qualified, then it was rookie stats, and now it's hypothetical situations.

 

As I stated, in my opinion Benjamin is not a qualified receiver. Get over trying to parse out every word and understand the real argument.

 

I didn't say there were WRs out there that are better, didn't criticize anyone for not bringing people in. My argument is that it is not Dabolls fault the offense sucks but since you have no real argument for that you choose to argue about our differing definitions of "qualified" WRs.

 

I'm only trying to parse one word.

 

I listed several qualifications (draft pedigree, proven success for KB).  You've listed zero disqualifications.

[Heavy Kevi]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

I'm only trying to parse one word.

 

I listed several qualifications (draft pedigree, proven success for KB).  You've listed zero disqualifications.

 

Disqualifications (as previously stated): Can't run or catch.

 

Game. Set. Match.

[John from Riverside]

18 minutes ago, October 1918 said:

 

 

To chime in... We have one of the best running backs in the game yet he barely touches the ball, and many players who have had at least moderate success elsewhere (Benjamin, Clay, etc.). We ran the Wildcat 10 times yesterday! 10! The first time or two it was fine. Then every time afterward it got blown up. ...and we kept f'ing running it! We have a massive 6'5 receiver who lacks deep speed. Do we ever throw the slant to him (or any other receiver)? Ever? No, we send him deep even though he doesn't have the speed to beat average cornerbacks. We ran a flee flicker with the tight end as the intended target. Who does that? How often do we run screen passes? ...IMHO, an offense is all about creating mismatches and we simply don't do that.

 

Again, no one is saying we have Pats-level talent. But, we've scored two touchdowns in 5 weeks and are on pace to be one of the worst offenses in modern history. Talent aside, this is a lousy scheme. I don't expect miracle with this roster, but a touchdown every now and again isn't a ridiculous ask in a league where scoring is way up.

When I watch McCoy go down because he ran into the ass of his offensive linemen that was being pushed back into him.....its hard to take this seriously

 

ppl just dont like that we are losing...I get it

[JPP]

16 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

Is that a true story? I thought I read he was on vacation with his family, my mistake. Any word on his arm?

I caught that little tidbit from one of the games commentators last night....No word yet on his condtion tho....

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Shotgunner said:

 

Disqualifications (as previously stated): Can't run or catch.

 

Game. Set. Match.

 

dang, have I been tsunami'd....again??

 

You think he became disqualified as soon as he got to the Bills?  Because he looks like he was qualified in Carolina with Newton throwing the ball.

 

Just curious as to what you think is the etiology of his disqualification.

[That_Guy]

6 hours ago, Sweats said:

Shady was doing his best impression of Reggie Bush all night. Ivory was actually doing good at running up the gut and moving the pile and yet, we were trying to fool the Pats with our wildcat?

 

Aye Carumba 

I was thinking the same thing about McCoy except I was comparing him to CJ Spiller.  Always bouncing and trying to run around the lines side-to-side and getting nowhere or pushed back.  It was refreshing to see Ivory come in and go North/South.

[Jrb1979]

2 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Anyone blaming Daboll for this mess has his head so far up his ass.

Sorry don't buy it. Arizona has a worse o-line and manages to put up points. I have never seen a fan base believe that the coach can do no wrong. 

[Wayne Arnold]

5 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Sorry don't buy it. Arizona has a worse o-line and manages to put up points. I have never seen a fan base believe that the coach can do no wrong. 

 

Arizona hasn’t had Nate Peterman and Derek Anderson behind center. They also have a future HOF at WR. 

 

There is some space between believing a “coach can do no wrong” and not thinking he should be fired after 1/2 of a season.

[ctk232]

11 hours ago, Skins Malone said:

Well I think this offense sucks as a whole.  I'm willing to give daboll more time.  Theres very little talent here and you have a guy who was playing golf two weeks ago as your QB.  I think the better question is why we have DA playing QB? The QB situation here at the moment is about as bad as it can be. 

 

Not excusing the guy but this whole offense sucks.

I don't consider the announcers last night as experts of the game in any regard despite having actual NFL experience. However, even from their varied observation throughout the night, the things I heard most: Witten had a lot to say about our offense, but his primary complaint was receivers not getting separation at the top of their routes. He continued to say that even the throws we do complete go for little to no YAC as a result as well, and almost every throw is contested. This is not a corps to inspire hope in anyone. Along these lines, Book made a comment about how KB was one popeyes biscuit away from being a TE - as off-putting as that might sound, IT'S TRUE. KB is sorely misused as WR1, which he most certainly is not. He isn't some unknown talent waiting to be put in the right situation, but he would be a mismatch in an offense with an actual WR1, even 2, and using KB as TE1/2 in certain sets. He's quick for a TE and can make contested catches - Witten made the comment he thrives on the push-off as he isn't quick and his game is much more like that of a TE. All in all, whether KB stays or goes, they need to re-evaluate where they are using their players.

 

While our OL barely suffices as serviceable, the QB situation is deplorable. Allen is honestly our best chance at winning games this year as he has room to grow. DA hit his ceiling in 2012, or whatever year he made the pro bowl. Since then he may have seen more NFL games, but easily more so from the sidelines. Adding the fact he was literally on a golf course three weeks ago, to expect anything more than him lasting this long before getting hurt at 35 yr old was and is absurd. What's crazy is that despite all of our offensive needs in watching this team, it's evident that a true back up QB is needed, someone beyond Anderson who they more so brought in to coach. While Cleveland is much more the s***show right now for a rookie QB, I don't like who we've surrounded Allen with from a coaching stand point. Culley, Daboll, and Anderson are not the group I'd like to have bringing this kid up, but we need to bring an actual player QB to backup Allen, not Anderson.

 

Novel aside - to your point malone, I'm still willing to give Daboll next season to show us more. But the more I watch this offense, receivers not getting separation on their routes is mostly attributable to the receivers as a corps and the way they are being used. KB is clearly not a WR1 and should be used more like a TE - we don't have anyone else to fill a WR1 role so Daboll can't do much with that. Zay finally learned to catch the ball, but has always thrived in a slot role. We have no one else to fill the WR2 role so Daboll can't do much there. But what he can do is scheme route concepts and combinations to free up players, and utilize the RB in space more. Our OL vastly limits what we can do with our routes in terms of giving them time to form, but I'd still like to see more from Daboll at least attempting to scheme for what ability we do have in the right ways. So while I'm still willing to give him the year, there's only so much you can excuse from the OC with an offense like this - the bottom line is that while our talent is questionable, these are still NFL players, and to not score in a league where offenses have pretty much a red carpet to the endzone on most drives is suspect for an NFL OC.

[Nihilarian]

2 hours ago, CuddyDark said:

You have to understand this is the team McDermott wants to build. If he gets it right, we will be the Seahawks, not the Rams or Pats or Chiefs. He's not trying to build that team. He wants the team from last year but with more talent. He wants to run the QB. He want to run trick plays. He wants to win because his defense killed the other team. From what I can see he's trying to build the Eagles with McNabb or the Cam led Panthers. If we score a lot of points it will be because of short fields and turnovers. The defense is still missing 3 or 4 players. They need a boundary corner, a long elite right end, a young Kyle Williams and a 3 down strong side who is interchangeable with Milano in coverage.

 

On offense they'll probably go LT and C before receiver. They don't want a showboat receiver. They want receivers who can make tough catches. The big play they want in the passing game will need to be made by the tight end. It can work or you can become the Bengals where it's just not good enough in the modern NFL to play this kind of football, especially in the playoffs.

I don't agree with the bolded at all. The Bills had this last year with Tyrod and Dennison and McD got rid of both. 

[Skins Malone]

56 minutes ago, ctk232 said:

I don't consider the announcers last night as experts of the game in any regard despite having actual NFL experience. However, even from their varied observation throughout the night, the things I heard most: Witten had a lot to say about our offense, but his primary complaint was receivers not getting separation at the top of their routes. He continued to say that even the throws we do complete go for little to no YAC as a result as well, and almost every throw is contested. This is not a corps to inspire hope in anyone. Along these lines, Book made a comment about how KB was one popeyes biscuit away from being a TE - as off-putting as that might sound, IT'S TRUE. KB is sorely misused as WR1, which he most certainly is not. He isn't some unknown talent waiting to be put in the right situation, but he would be a mismatch in an offense with an actual WR1, even 2, and using KB as TE1/2 in certain sets. He's quick for a TE and can make contested catches - Witten made the comment he thrives on the push-off as he isn't quick and his game is much more like that of a TE. All in all, whether KB stays or goes, they need to re-evaluate where they are using their players.

 

While our OL barely suffices as serviceable, the QB situation is deplorable. Allen is honestly our best chance at winning games this year as he has room to grow. DA hit his ceiling in 2012, or whatever year he made the pro bowl. Since then he may have seen more NFL games, but easily more so from the sidelines. Adding the fact he was literally on a golf course three weeks ago, to expect anything more than him lasting this long before getting hurt at 35 yr old was and is absurd. What's crazy is that despite all of our offensive needs in watching this team, it's evident that a true back up QB is needed, someone beyond Anderson who they more so brought in to coach. While Cleveland is much more the s***show right now for a rookie QB, I don't like who we've surrounded Allen with from a coaching stand point. Culley, Daboll, and Anderson are not the group I'd like to have bringing this kid up, but we need to bring an actual player QB to backup Allen, not Anderson.

 

Novel aside - to your point malone, I'm still willing to give Daboll next season to show us more. But the more I watch this offense, receivers not getting separation on their routes is mostly attributable to the receivers as a corps and the way they are being used. KB is clearly not a WR1 and should be used more like a TE - we don't have anyone else to fill a WR1 role so Daboll can't do much with that. Zay finally learned to catch the ball, but has always thrived in a slot role. We have no one else to fill the WR2 role so Daboll can't do much there. But what he can do is scheme route concepts and combinations to free up players, and utilize the RB in space more. Our OL vastly limits what we can do with our routes in terms of giving them time to form, but I'd still like to see more from Daboll at least attempting to scheme for what ability we do have in the right ways. So while I'm still willing to give him the year, there's only so much you can excuse from the OC with an offense like this - the bottom line is that while our talent is questionable, these are still NFL players, and to not score in a league where offenses have pretty much a red carpet to the endzone on most drives is suspect for an NFL OC.

Very good post. I agree with your points.  I think people need to realize just because you are willing to give the guy more time doesnt mean you dont have doubts or even serious doubts.

 

Scheme is very important..and I'm sure there is room for improvement but at some point you need talent.  You need talent to build a scheme around.  And the Bill's just dont have it.

 

[Trogdor]

5 hours ago, Bfanlc said:

Without Brady those nobodies dont do squat.  Again put NP in their scheme and see what happens. 

Again, there have been times without Brady and they still perform at a high level.

[row_33]

you can't just say "pretend Brady hasn't been there all these years"

 

 

[CuddyDark]

2 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

I don't agree with the bolded at all. The Bills had this last year with Tyrod and Dennison and McD got rid of both. 

And replaced both with more talented versions of the same QB and OC.