Rebel101 Posted October 27, 2018 Author Share Posted October 27, 2018 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Because they were about to lose their starting Pro Bowl to free agency. So they traded down and got Tre WHite Because they HAD a starting QB......he was not a pro bowl guy regardless of making pro bowls.....but they did have a starting guy Because the following draft was supposed to be a QB draft.....and when you connect the dots it looks like the plan was ALWAYS to take a QB that following year ????? But they had no intentions of keeping Taylor. Because he is not a starting NFL QB. Not even on the Cleveland Browns. I know that is unfair because they of course have just finally hit on their pick so it seems but you get the point. And how do you rely on the next years draft? We made the playoffs and would have never been in position to draft a QB without ridding ourselves our good players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Hindsight is golden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 If everyone in the league know Mahomes & Watson were going to be good. They would have ended up in Cleveland & Chicago, San Francisco. Nobody had Mahomes as a 1st round QB or talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Let's remember that Mahomes had a year to sit on the bench and learn/adjust to the NFL. Would he have looked as good if this were HIS rookie season? And how bout waiting till the off season when Beane can start building a team around Josh Allen. Let's see what Josh can do with some semblance of a team around him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, BBills88 said: If everyone in the league know Mahomes & Watson were going to be good. They would have ended up in Cleveland & Chicago, San Francisco. Nobody had Mahomes as a 1st round QB or talent. Wrong answer. KC rated him not only 1st round, but worth 2 1st rounds, and a third. Just shows what competent scouting and drafting for QBs and offensive players looks like . Wish the Bills had that level of competence. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Listened to Bruce Arian’s today. He said the cardinals wanted mahomes or Watson and both got picked just before them. He said he may still be coaching if it had worked out. Our guys saw no value in them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 One word and it starts with B and ends in K. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 36 minutes ago, mattynh said: Listened to Bruce Arian’s today. He said the cardinals wanted mahomes or Watson and both got picked just before them. He said he may still be coaching if it had worked out. Our guys saw no value in them. But saw lots of value in Nate Peterman and Josh Allen. They'll pay for that colossal error in judgment with their jobs, after next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Because McDarnitt is a defensive guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 7 hours ago, Rebel101 said: I know I am beating a dead horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosenNOTchosen1 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 The people running this team suck at evaluating quarterback's. It's that simple dude. Don't overthink it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I have never thought about this....thanks for bringing it up.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 We should always take the best player based on after the fact performance. Easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 3 hours ago, mattynh said: Listened to Bruce Arian’s today. He said the cardinals wanted mahomes or Watson and both got picked just before them. He said he may still be coaching if it had worked out. Our guys saw no value in them. End of the day Pegula should hire experienced head of football operations to watch over GM and head coach, Beane has made reckless decisions. Trading young players Darby and Sammy for second and 3rd rounders was stupid. You trade older players not younger players, then passing on Mahomes deserves firing just for that stupid mone, include the point that Allen looks like bust. Allen did all that running around in college because he is could not make plays passing from the pocket, i say at very least Beane should be fired. Like is anyone going to agree with trading Sammy for a second and then giving up 3rd for loser Benjamin. With Beane we are not rebuilding and talent level is getting worst with him making decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I think the real question is: would they be successful in Buffalo. My gut feeling with Mahomes was that when he landed with Andy Reid he would be fine. I wasn’t sure about DeShaun, but he landed in a good spot in Houston (with Bill O’Brien, DeAndre Hopkins, and a good defense). I honestly don’t know if they would still be successful in Buffalo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: One word and it starts with B and ends in K. The Bills don’t draft black guys ? You are a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 whaley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 9 hours ago, BillsRdue said: It's a mistake, but has been brought up numerous times in other threads. And it will be brought up for probably about 15 more years. "Could've had Mahomes…" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 7 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Because they were about to lose their starting Pro Bowl to free agency. So they traded down and got Tre WHite Because they HAD a starting QB......he was not a pro bowl guy regardless of making pro bowls.....b4ut they did have a starting guy Because the following draft was supposed to be a QB draft.....and when you connect the dots it looks like the plan was ALWAYS to take a QB that following year????? So, how is this move any different than all the other times the Bills have done this exact same thing during the drought???? You're one of those McDermott cheerleaders who has constantly defended his boneheaded plays as "building the team the right way", so how is constantly allowing good/excellent young veterans to walk away in free agency or trading them away for peanuts with the excuse "we can't afford to pay them" or "they wouldn't have re-signed anyways" or "they didn't want to be here" and then using high draft picks to replace them NOT the same thing in 2017 as it was in 2004???? Because McDermott did it instead of Donahoe or Nix or Whaley??? 1999 Bills draft Antoine Winfield, DB, in the first round. In 2004, he signs with Minnesota where he plays 9 more seasons and makes the Pro Bowl 3 times. 2001 Bills draft Nate Clements, DB, in the first round. In 2007, after making the Pro Bowl with the Bills, he signs with San Francisco and later with the Cincinatti Bengals. 2003 Bills draft Willis McGahee, RB, in the first round. In 2007, the Bills traded him to the Ravens for a third round pick that they turned into Tentative Trent Edwards while McGahee, who ran for 1200+ yards for the Bills in 2005, ran for 1200+ yards again for Baltimore, and later in his career, ran for 1200+ yards for Denver. He made the Pro Bowl for both Baltimore and Denver, both of which he helped to the playoffs. 2004 Bills sign UDFA TE Jason Peters. As a TE, Peters was a JAG at best. As an OT, he was one of the best of his era. He made the Pro Bowl twice with the Bills before he got in a contract dispute over renegotiating his contract to pay him what he was worth. The Bills traded him to Philadelphia before the 2009 draft for a 2009 first (Eric Wood) and a fourth (Shawn Nelson). Peters has made the Pro Bowl 7 more times with Philly and added 2 All Pro honors to his resume. Except for 2012 when he missed the entire season with an Achilles tear and 2017 when he missed half the year with a knee injury, he's been a Pro Bowler. He's STILL the anchor of the Eagles OL at almost 37 years old. 2007 Bills draft Marshawn Lynch, RB, in the first round. Lynch was easily the best RB the Bills had since Thurman Thomas, and probably the best power runner they had since OJ Simpson. The Bills traded him to Seattle in 2010 for a fourth round draft pick in 2011 and a fifth rounder in 2012 which they turned into the forgettable JAGs Chris Hairston and Tank Carder. Oh, yeah, and Lynch went on to more Pro Bowls, All Pro honors, and a Super Bowl trophy with Seattle before likely finishing his career in Oakland. 2010 Bills draft CJ Spiller, RB, in the first round. He lacked the size and build to be an every down back but he had speed ... and would cost much less than Lynch if they re-signed Lynch rather than trade him. 2012 Bills draft Stephon Gilmore, DB, in the first round. He was the Bills starting CB for his five seasons here, making the Pro Bowl in 2016. The Bills let him walk in FA where the Patriots signed him and he's become a proverbial "lock down" corner for the AFC dominating Pats. 2012 Bills draft Cordy Glenn, OT, in the second round, finally getting around to replacing Peters. Glenn was one of the top LTs in the NFL, and Whaley correctly re-signed him to a market rate contract. In 2017, McDermott drafted Dion Dawkins in the 2nd round, and since he played decently at LT when Glenn was injured, Beane traded Glenn to Cincy for their 2018 first round pick (which was subsequently traded to get Allen) and a fifth round that became Ray-Ray McCloud. 2013 Bills draft Robert Woods, WR, in the second round, and Marquise Goodwin, WR, in the third. Woods was an excellent WR but the Bills supposedly didn't even offer him a contract, so the Rams did. Goodwin went to San Francisco in FA as well. Both tore up the league in 2017 while the Bills replaced them with JAGs and bottom feeder WRs -- and needing to spend draft picks higher than Day 3 for NFL caliber WRs. 2014 Bills draft Sammy Watkins, WR, in the first round, trading away their 2015 first round pick to trade up to #4. Watkins had 1000+ yards in 2015 and nearly 1000 yards in 2014 as a rookie. He still had nearly 500 yards in 2016 in despite missing half the season with injury. Beane traded Watkins to LA for a second round pick (used to get Allen) and EJ Gaines, CB, in July 2017. How, exactly, is trading up for a raw "project" QB prospect in the first round in a supposedly great QB class in 2018 all that different from trading up in a supposedly great QB class in 2004??? Except that your heroes McDermott and Beane spent a lot more to get Allen than Donahoe spent to get Losman? Of course, Donahoe wouldn't have traded up if Roethlisberger had been available when the Bills drafted in 2004. I doubt he'd have passed on Mahomes or Watson if he'd been GM in 2017 either. Whatever you say about Donahoe, he knew talent, especially offensive talent, as did Whaley, unlike the Bills current clown show leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I don't know about you guys, but I'm all IN on this. 3 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: One word and it starts with B and ends in K. Book, Ian Book from Notre Dame. Gotcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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