SCBills Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Our Bills are so bad, but with the Cardinals and Giants be-bopping around, no chance we get the #1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Falcons are running a nice offense tonight. Have we seen the bills run a toss run play all year? I feel like that really helps with everyone’s momentum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Just now, GETTOTHE50 said: Falcons are running a nice offense tonight. Have we seen the bills run a toss run play all year? I feel like that really helps with everyone’s momentum With our offense, you know full well that’s an automatic 5-6 yard loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 49 minutes ago, DRA3196 said: Worst part of MNF has to be the announcing crew, I would sooner listen to the commentary on Madden. What happened to Sean McDonough? He was great! Smart, funny, honest...my favorite play by play guy in a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: Our Bills are so bad, but with the Cardinals and Giants be-bopping around, no chance we get the #1 pick. It is definitely a race to the bottom this season. Bills, Giants, Cardinals and Raiders are all in prime position. Should be your bottom 4 in any given order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) Witten says things like "Touchdowns are important." Very insightful. I turned to the Spanish version. At least I don't understand their nonsense. 30 minutes ago, ChattanoogaBills said: Well looks like my teaser is trash since i took nyg +10 and over 46... I definitely expected more scoring this game Maybe you reverse jinxed it. Got the over at least. Edit: Screwed up the math and I'm not even drinking. Sorry bro. Edited October 23, 2018 by LSHMEAB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Witten says things like "Touchdowns are important." Very insightful. I turned to the Spanish version. At least I don't understand their nonsense. I find it ridiculous that the worst two announcing crews are the two primetime crews. Witten and Colinsworth are horrendous announcers. Edit: why do you go for 2 points there ?. Taking a play from Vrabel’s playbook. Edited October 23, 2018 by Bills2ref Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Lol Giants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Um, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 They are already joking about Buffalo weather... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Bills2ref said: I find it ridiculous that the worst two announcing crews are the two primetime crews. Witten and Colinsworth are horrendous announcers. Collinsworth is annoying but at least he's not clueless. I get that he bothers people, but I don't think anyone could be as bad as Witten. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) Shurmer is un-good at math Edited October 23, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Shurmer is un-good at math He’s not the best at the whole numbers and counting. Like 7 vs 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 how did witten even get the gig? and I don’t like how booger is there. the guy blocks peoples vision in the stands. i also don’t need to hear how he ***** himself on the sidelines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I can’t believe he went for 2 there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Omg... the Giants make us look competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Jesus Shurmur you are an idiot Just now, SCBills said: Omg... the Giants make us look competent. This. X10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Oh Eli....WTF were you thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 another terrible prime time offering by the corporate shield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 How did THAT QB ever beat the Patriots twice!?! Completely clueless.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Just now, stuvian said: another terrible prime time offering by the corporate shield Yup, poorly coached bad game between two bottom teams in a half empty stadium. Nice job NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 straight QB's sneaks with Eli freaking Manning as time is ticking down in the last minute... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Goodell Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Thank you for joining us for another thrilling edition of Monday Night Football. We'll see you next week from Buffalo for an exciting match up featuring the Patriots and the Bills. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Just think, if they converted that 2 point conversion it would only be a 1 point game with 5 seconds left before the onside kick. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 This guy McFarland’s voice and cadence should be banned by the Geneva Convention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I kinda get what Eli was thinking with the QB sneak. Don't really have to waste any time telling people what to do and QB sneaks work like 90% of the time. Just so happens Eli apparently occupies the 10% by himself. They took so painfully long to run it though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 For those suggesting that Shurmur was stupid to go for 2, it's statistically speaking the right move. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Yup, poorly coached bad game between two bottom teams in a half empty stadium. Nice job NFL. They really nailed it with next weeks MNF game. What are they supposed to do? Both big markets, Atlanta should be better. What do you expect? They schedule these games in April or whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Collinsworth is annoying but at least he's not clueless. I get that he bothers people, but I don't think anyone could be as bad as Witten. I'm a closet Collinsworth fan and I'm officially coming out. Screw all the haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: I'm a closet Collinsworth fan and I'm officially coming out. Screw all the haters. He's insightful and really does his homework. I'm not one that typically hates on the announcing crew, but this setup is brutal. Worse MNF crew since Dennis MIller? Let's talk about that 2-pt conversion. Let's say he kicks the XP and is now down by 7. They get the ball back and score a TD with almost no time on the clock and are now down by 1. If he goes for a 2-pt conversion there (essentially the win -- or a loss) Shurmur is considered "bold" and is likely praised for having a brass set. Well, he basically did the same thing, he just gave himself some more wiggle room in case the conversion failed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Roger Goodell said: Thank you for joining us for another thrilling edition of Monday Night Football. We'll see you next week from Buffalo for an exciting match up featuring the Patriots and the Bills. i will need to medicate my way through that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 The Giants are going to make sure that no matter how hard Jon Gruden tries to tank this season, he will have to pry that #1 pick in the draft from Pat Shurmur's cold dead hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Here is the logic regarding going for 2 at that stage in the game....yes, it was the right move! If you go for two there and get it you are basically setting yourself up to win the game in regulation if you stop them and score another touchdown with PAT. A tough task, sure, but achievable for sure. This increases your odds of winning dramatically over going for 1 twice and then having a 50/50 split chance (basically) of winning in OT. If you go for it and miss it at that point in the game, you still have the opportunity to score another touchdown and tie the game up with a successful 2 Point conversion, forcing overtime. If you don't go for it down 8 and decide to, instead, go for it at the end of the game down 1 point, well, then you only have one shot to get it and you lose the safety net of being able to go for it twice in case you miss it once since you already kicked the PAT on the previous score. Assuming a 50% success rate (Shumer probably felt his was better actually) on two point conversions and a 50% chance to win in overtime here is the math if they were able to score 2 TDs and stop the Falcons from scoring again. Going for 2 down 8 - 50% chance to hit and win PLUS the 50% chance to get it on attempt #2 where you would then have an additional 50% chance to win in OT. This equates to 50% + (50% chance to miss first one x 50% chance to make second one x 50% chance to win in OT = 12.5%) - so the chances of winning are now 62.5% in this case. Kicking PATs and going to OT - 50% chance to win (which also assumes a 100% success rate on PATs which we know are not true). 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Shurmer is un-good at math 11 hours ago, GoBills808 said: He’s not the best at the whole numbers and counting. Like 7 vs 8. 11 hours ago, SCBills said: Omg... the Giants make us look competent. 11 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Jesus Shurmur you are an idiot This. X10 See above fellas, it was definitely the mathematically correct call to make. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 11 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I'm a closet Collinsworth fan and I'm officially coming out. Screw all the haters. Yeah. Colinsworth isn't bad. Between he and Michaels, it kind of "feels" important. I think people don't like Collinsworth fawning over certain players, but when you compare him to some of these idiots, he's actually solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Mark80 said: Here is the logic regarding going for 2 at that stage in the game....yes, it was the right move! If you go for two there and get it you are basically setting yourself up to win the game in regulation if you stop them and score another touchdown with PAT. A tough task, sure, but achievable for sure. This increases your odds of winning dramatically over going for 1 twice and then having a 50/50 split chance (basically) of winning in OT. If you go for it and miss it at that point in the game, you still have the opportunity to score another touchdown and tie the game up with a successful 2 Point conversion, forcing overtime. If you don't go for it down 8 and decide to, instead, go for it at the end of the game down 1 point, well, then you only have one shot to get it and you lose the safety net of being able to go for it twice in case you miss it once since you already kicked the PAT on the previous score. Assuming a 50% success rate (Shumer probably felt his was better actually) on two point conversions and a 50% chance to win in overtime here is the math if they were able to score 2 TDs and stop the Falcons from scoring again. Going for 2 down 8 - 50% chance to hit and win PLUS the 50% chance to get it on attempt #2 where you would then have an additional 50% chance to win in OT. This equates to 50% + (50% chance to miss first one x 50% chance to make second one x 50% chance to win in OT = 12.5%) - so the chances of winning are now 62.5% in this case. Kicking PATs and going to OT - 50% chance to win (which also assumes a 100% success rate on PATs which we know are not true). I don't see the difference between going for 2 down 8 and going for 2 down 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I don't see the difference between going for 2 down 8 and going for 2 down 1. The difference is that you have no recourse if you are not successful getting it down 1. You just lose the game. If you go for it down 8 and are not successful, then you have another opportunity to try again after the next score to tie it up and send it into overtime. First example: Team is down 24-23, miss the 2 point attempt at end of game, game is over. Second example: Team is down 24-16, they go for 2 and are not successful. They score again and are now down 24-22 and can now try another 2-pt conversion to tie it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, Mark80 said: The difference is that you have no recourse if you are not successful getting it down 1. You just lose the game. If you go for it down 8 and are not successful, then you have another opportunity to try again after the next score to tie it up and send it into overtime. First example: Team is down 24-23, miss the 2 point attempt at end of game, game is over. Second example: Team is down 24-16, they go for 2 and are not successful. They score again and are now down 24-22 and can now try another 2-pt conversion to tie it up. The math is the same in my mind. You still need to complete a 2 pt conversion to win the game outright. If it's a 50% conversion rate when you're down 8 it's still a 50% conversion rate when you're down by 1. There's no added benefit to be gained from when you decide to go for the win. Besides, you HAVE increased your odds of winning in OT (and thus the game overall, obviously) by kicking the PAT down 8 because you retain the option of playing for overtime with another PAT if you so choose. That's a smaller % because it's W=%PAT*%OT(WIN) but it's not insignificant. You don't have 'no recourse', you still have the option of taking the higher % PAT instead of trying to win outright by 2pt conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Brown Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Yeah. Colinsworth isn't bad. Between he and Michaels, it kind of "feels" important. I think people don't like Collinsworth fawning over certain players, but when you compare him to some of these idiots, he's actually solid. He was better ten years ago than he is now as far as fawning over players go, but he's still better than most. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 What that chart indicates is that going for 2 down 14 gives you a 62.5% chance of winning assuming you get the second touchdown. Tying obviously gives you a basic 50% chance of winning in OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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