The Answer is Sitting in Tampa Bay

[Nelius]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Continue to play Allen to allow him to gain valuable experience and grow through his issues. He needs as many snaps as possible.  Build a much better supporting cast in the offseason via the draft and UFA.  That's what they have to do.  Any suggestions of Fitz, Foles, or any other older backup QB make no sense given the investment made in Allen. 

 

I don’t completely disagree, but what if he gets hurt? Completely unravels? Needs to take a seat for the sake of not completely ruining his development?

 

Peterman is no longer a real option so are we all really comfortable with Derek Anderson?  If the defense keeps playing like this we simply can’t accept 85 yards passing. Allen is the future (hopefully) but you can’t dismiss everybody else and their efforts if he continues to struggle like he is.

[JimKellyTryouts]

Looking ahead, he is a FA this year, and we could do MUCH worse at backup QB. I wouldn't be opposed to him being Josh's wingman 2019 until he decides to retire. 

[billsbackto81]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, the arguments for him back then were that he had no good players around him.  He had them with the Bucs and still fell off a cliff.

Exactly. Make no mistake, I don't want him back though he's an all around solid dude but there's no way he replicates what he did there with this bunch.

[Nelius]

1 minute ago, billsbackto81 said:

Exactly. Make no mistake, I don't want him back though he's an all around solid dude but there's no way he replicates what he did there with this bunch.

 

He replicated it against us with a much worse Jets team one time. 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Nelius said:

 

I don’t completely disagree, but what if he gets hurt? Completely unravels? Needs to take a seat for the sake of not completely ruining his development?

 

Peterman is no longer a real option so are we all really comfortable with Derek Anderson?  If the defense keeps playing like this we simply can’t accept 85 yards passing. Allen is the future (hopefully) but you can’t dismiss everybody else and their efforts if he continues to struggle like he is.

 

If he's hurt, there's nothing to discuss.  A 35 year old Derek Anderson isn't going to play well.  Let him be what he was brought here to be as the mentor and veteran example for Allen.  Allen should learn by doing. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

54 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Honestly, we win that game with Fitz.  But this isn’t going to happen.

 

They win that game with Logan Thomas or Joe Webb. 

 

This peterman thing needs to stop permanently. 

 

 

[Nelius]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

If he's hurt, there's nothing to discuss.  A 35 year old Derek Anderson isn't going to play well.  Let him be what he was brought here to be as the mentor and veteran example for Allen.  Allen should learn by doing. 

 

I don’t understand your answer, sorry. What do you mean there’s nothing to discuss if he gets hurt? Like we just forfeit the season or something? He is hurt, and I’m not at all comfortable with Derek Anderson and I guess Logan Thomas (?) behind him.

[dave mcbride]

50 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

No it isn't.  Besides, he's their insurance plan in case Wentz gets injured. 

No way is a smart organization trading a competent backup. The Bills are example A of a team with no backup. 

 

Ideally, you want a guy with some experience who can get you to 2-2 over a 4-game stretch. Not sure you watched Osweiler yesterday, but he's becoming that guy.

 

Next year, who is going to be available? It'll be one of the most important signings the Bills make (or don't make), yet it won't get enough attention. Frank Reich wasn't great, but he was massively important to the Bills' success in that era.

 

Dare I say it: bring Tyrod back next season? I have to think he knows his days as a starter are over, and that perhaps it's time for the next phase of his career: 5-6 more years as an experienced backup. (The pay is good too.) Anyway, as a backup he'd be ideal. He "respects the ball" like no other and can get you to 2-2 over a four-game stretch. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by dave mcbride

[Luxy312]

6 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

I don’t completely disagree, but what if he gets hurt? Completely unravels? Needs to take a seat for the sake of not completely ruining his development?

 

Peterman is no longer a real option so are we all really comfortable with Derek Anderson?  If the defense keeps playing like this we simply can’t accept 85 yards passing. Allen is the future (hopefully) but you can’t dismiss everybody else and their efforts if he continues to struggle like he is.

 

There is zero evidence to support the notion that playing a quarterback early ruins their development.  You let him struggle.  You let him play.  If he doesn't turn the corner at some point during the season, you draft another quarterback next year.  So many people want to make this more complicated than it needs to be.

[Soda Popinski]

Ali Marpet signed an extension already. 

[jr1]

I thought this would be about OJ Howard

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

I don’t understand your answer, sorry. What do you mean there’s nothing to discuss if he gets hurt? Like we just forfeit the season or something? He is hurt, and I’m not at all comfortable with Derek Anderson and I guess Logan Thomas (?) behind him.

 

Then you sign a street FA like Landry Jones.

[Nelius]

Just now, Luxy312 said:

 

There is zero evidence to support the notion that playing a quarterback early ruins their development.  You let him struggle.  You let him play.  If he doesn't turn the corner at some point during the season, you draft another quarterback next year.  So many people want to make this more complicated than it needs to be.

 

I never said that playing a qb early destroys their development in general. Not at all, you’re putting words in my mouth. However if they’re completely lost, develop the yips, start taking awful hits, etc., then continuing to trot them out there could absolutely ruin their development now that you mention it. Killing the kid isn’t going to make him better...

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Then you sign a street FA like Landry Jones.

 

Fair enough 

[B-Large]

If we had just kept Fitzpatrick we'd literally be in the same place we are today, Josh Allen pick aside.

[billsbackto81]

8 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

He replicated it against us with a much worse Jets team one time. 

Do you remember what he replicated against a decimated Bills team the last game of the season in 2015 in a do or die playoff situation? I like Fitz, just don't want him as a band aid or otherwise. I'm convinced he's a Jedi Knight. He convinces teams to give him big money contracts with his mind trick powers.

[Nelius]

Just now, billsbackto81 said:

Do you remember what he replicated against a decimated Bills team the last game of the season in 2015 in a do or die playoff situation? I like Fitz, just don't want him as a band aid or otherwise. I'm convinced he's a Jedi Knight. He convinces teams to give him big money contracts with his mind trick powers.

 

I’m only arguing that he’s better than Peterman, Derek Anderson, and the current Josh Allen. A poster in this thread acted like Fitz and Peterman are interchangeable - does any rational non-troll really believe that?

[MJS]

1 hour ago, LFC24 said:

what makes you think this coaching staff even thinks there is a problem at QB?

 

this is the same staff that watched peterman all camp and preseason and thought he was good enough to be a starting QB in this league, not to mention traded up in the draft to sign him while ignoring Mahomes and Watson. 

 

Everyone watched Peterman and thought he earned the starting job. Why? Because he played pretty well.

 

But when the actual games started he stunk it up.

[OrtonHearsaWho]

I'm just waiting for the inevitable "Trade for Chad Kelly" thread.  Not looking forward to that one because I'll likely jam a pencil into my skull.

[WhoTom]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Honestly, we win that game with Fitz. 

 

Maybe, but it's also possible that Fitz throws the same pick that Peterman threw. He does have a history of that.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

7 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Everyone watched Peterman and thought he earned the starting job. Why? Because he played pretty well.

 

But when the actual games started he stunk it up.

 

That was pure fool's gold and anyone who looked closely enough wasn't that impressed because of the circumstances he played in addition to the QoC.  The warning signs were there even that he still was a substandard QB.  Anyone who pointed this out was shouted down by many at TSW. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[MJS]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

That was pure fool's gold and anyone who looked closely enough wasn't that impressed because of the circumstances he played in a addition to the QoC.  The warning signs were there even that he still was a substandard QB.  Anyone who pointed this out was shouted down by many at TSW. 

 

His meltdown was far worse than anyone could have imagined. Of course nobody thought he would be a top 10 QB, but most thought he could move the ball some for a few weeks until Allen was ready. Expectations were pretty low, and he couldn't even meet those.

[billsbackto81]

13 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

I’m only arguing that he’s better than Peterman, Derek Anderson, and the current Josh Allen. A poster in this thread acted like Fitz and Peterman are interchangeable - does any rational non-troll really believe that?

I'll give you that. ?

[st pete gogolak]

19 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

I’m only arguing that he’s better than Peterman, Derek Anderson, and the current Josh Allen. A poster in this thread acted like Fitz and Peterman are interchangeable - does any rational non-troll really believe that?

Thank you.  That's all I'm trying to say.  IF you want to salvage the season (and maybe you don't for a myriad of reasons), Fitzpatrick - as of October 15, 2018 - is better than Peterman, Anderson and Allen.

[FearLess Price]

that would be hilarious. im def a fitzpatrick fan but if a healthy JA has to sit for fitz or any other retread qb to start its gonna be doom.

Doooooooooooooom!!!

[Success]

Is the question “who has the rockingest beard in nfl history?”

Edited October 15, 2018 by Success

[RochesterRob]

  I did not read all the responses and while I would not love this it might be one of the more practical moves to be made at this point.  One problem I do see is that his cap number may be too high to do this w/o the Bills making some sacrifice they presently cannot afford.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, RochesterRob said:

  I did not read all the responses and while I would not love this it might be one of the more practical moves to be made at this point.  One problem I do see is that his cap number may be too high to do this w/o the Bills making some sacrifice they presently cannot afford.

 

Trading draft compensation for an old backup QB named Ryan Fitzpatrick is practical?  It's anything but that.  It's a moot point regardless because there's no way the Bucs will deal him since they'd be left with nothing if Winston is injured. 

[BillsMafia13]

53 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

They win that game with Logan Thomas or Joe Webb. 

 

This peterman thing needs to stop permanently. 

 

 

What ever happened to Thad Lewis?  Can he still ball?

1 hour ago, st pete gogolak said:

He's not a savior and he's not a long term answer.  He's not even an answer beyond this year.  I posted this only to posit this question - is the season worth saving?  Do you waste this defense?  I think Allen certainly has some potential but it's pretty obvious he's not ready.  When is the last time Derek Anderson completed a pass in an actual NFL game?  I think Fitzpatrick is a very limited QB but he's better than what we have.  Anybody else out there that's can be had cheap that improves the situation? 

You got it man, give JA a smart qb to learn from on and off the field.  Unfortunately on the field would also be learning from Fitz mistakes but at least itll be entertaining.  I hated having Fitz as our starter but he loves Buffalo and would be a lot less embarrassing that what we've got going now.

[Jaywrizzo]

1 hour ago, Nelius said:

 

What? Fitz doesn’t have an interception rate anywhere near Peterman, and while he does throw interceptions, he also throws touchdowns, and multiple completions, many of which are like (gasp!) 20 or more yards downfield.

 

I can absolutely understand the eye rolling and apprehension, but if you don’t realize that Fitz is currently on a much higher tier than any of our current QBs, then I don’t know what to tell you.

Dude...you're crazy....Look at Fitz last game as a Buccaneer.....Look what Fitz did, playing for the Jets against the Bills.....3 Ints, in a game he neesed to make yhe Playoffs...no way! If Josh Allen needs someone to talk to, comong off the field....let it be Anderson . We should've never rushed to give Fitz that contract back then.

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Trading draft compensation for an old backup QB named Ryan Fitzpatrick is practical?  It's anything but that.  It's a moot point regardless because there's no way the Bucs will deal him since they'd be left with nothing if Winston is injured. 

  Practical in that it is a bone thrown to the defense to keep up their high level of play.  Fitzpatrick would not have to put the team on his shoulders with this defense and that might cut down on some of his turnovers.  I don't love Fitz as an option but I don't want the team to quit and go through another coaching/GM cycle.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, RochesterRob said:

  Practical in that it is a bone thrown to the defense to keep up their high level of play.  Fitzpatrick would not have to put the team on his shoulders with this defense and that might cut down on some of his turnovers.  I don't love Fitz as an option but I don't want the team to quit and go through another coaching/GM cycle.

 

It's simply not going to happen. 

[Happy]

41 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

Maybe, but it's also possible that Fitz throws the same pick that Peterman threw. He does have a history of that.

 

 

 

Yep.  Funny how people forget this.

[Nelius]

5 minutes ago, Jaywrizzo said:

Dude...you're crazy....Look at Fitz last game as a Buccaneer.....Look what Fitz did, playing for the Jets against the Bills.....3 Ints, in a game he neesed to make yhe Playoffs...no way! If Josh Allen needs someone to talk to, comong off the field....let it be Anderson . We should've never rushed to give Fitz that contract back then.

 

Dude, you’re crazy. You’re trying to claim that Fitz and Peterman are the same. Fitz is also light years beyond the corpse of Derek Anderson.  Just stop.

[Jaywrizzo]

1 minute ago, Nelius said:

 

Dude, you’re crazy. You’re trying to claim that Fitz and Peterman are the same. Fitz is also light years beyond the corpse of Derek Anderson.  Just stop.

You're a Fitz fan....no need to keep arguing with you,  you've said enough.

[gobills1212]

THIS is the perfect example of how bad it has gotten around here. Next time someone has an issue, just remember someone had the wisdom to actually post and sign their name to a thread calling for RYAN FREAKING FITZPATRICK to come be our savior. WTF ARE YOU THINKING?  Pack it in and call it a day, bc this might be the single silliest thing ive ever read here. There have been some doozies but this.... this takes the cake. Troll job of the year!!! Good job mate, good job

[Nelius]

2 minutes ago, Jaywrizzo said:

You're a Fitz fan....no need to keep arguing with you,  you've said enough.

 

No, I’m a rational, sober human being.

 

Will just ask instead of continuing to derail - do you truly think there’s no difference between Fitz and Peterman?

[BmarvB]

Been there, done that. If Allen goes down and he has to play, which fitz do we get?

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Then you sign a street FA like Landry Jones.

  Might be time for Landry Jones as a stop gap measure.  Peterman can no longer be sold to the fanbase and Allen's injury though possibly minor would give him the breather he needs and save face.  I just have a feeling that Anderson's "deal" does not include playing if it can be helped.  It sure would be nice sitting in at any staff meetings involving Anderson today to hear the conversation.  I would not put the chance of the Bills signing or trading for a stop gap totally at zero for this week.

[JaBu]

4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

.....  I just have a feeling that Anderson's "deal" does not include playing if it can be helped.  It sure would be nice sitting in at any staff meetings involving Anderson today to hear the conversation.  I would not put the chance of the Bills signing or trading for a stop gap totally at zero for this week.

 

McBean have stated their intention to build through the draft. They are not trading picks away for  stop gap.

 

If there was no intention of giving Anderson any playing time they could have just signed him on as an assistant qb coach, and thus saved the roster spot.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

No, no, and no!

 

Oh yes!