IDBillzFan Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: I never said it's free. Taxes will obviously go up. Not acceptable. I already pay a schiit ton of taxes. Why don't you just pay my share since you like paying more taxes. I'm assuming that works for you given how free you are to raise taxes. Wait. It doesn't work for you? Well, then, STFU about paying more taxes until you're willing to pay my fair share. Deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: I never said it's free. Taxes will obviously go up. I don't get how there can be no savings when everyone who uses this model pays considerably less for healthcare than the US. The main problem is other countries have similar tax rates even with a single payer system mostly because we spend significantly more on a strong national defense. Convincing people that a slight increase in taxes will save you money in the long run because you don't have to pay medical deductibles and copays is a tough sell. We're not ready for it yet and may never be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: The main problem is other countries have similar tax rates even with a single payer system mostly because we spend significantly more on a strong national defense. Convincing people that a slight increase in taxes will save you money in the long run because you don't have to pay medical deductibles and copays is a tough sell. We're not ready for it yet and may never be. and A VAT tax is a tax on a tax on a tax (into infinity). There is a reason there is a large underground cash economy in nearly every country with state run health insurance. The day to day taxes are insane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: The main problem is other countries have similar tax rates even with a single payer system mostly because we spend significantly more on a strong international defense. FTFY We do the dirty work so other countries can indulge their free stuff scams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: and A VAT tax is a tax on a tax on a tax (into infinity). There is a reason there is a large underground cash economy in nearly every country with state run health insurance. The day to day taxes are insane. VAT's are a way to hide themselves from the general public. Politicians can raise taxes without everyday Joe being aware of it and they should never, ever take hold here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 8 hours ago, B-Man said: Don’t stop at beef. Milk and cheese and ice cream and butter too! I wonder if veal would be a cheaper alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, snafu said: Don’t stop at beef. Milk and cheese and ice cream and butter too! I wonder if veal would be a cheaper alternative. Calfacide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 de Blasio drops out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, ALF said: de Blasio drops out Oh God, NOOOOOO !!!!!!!! Now he’s back in New York full time? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, ALF said: de Blasio drops out ...I'm done then........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, ALF said: de Blasio drops out Odd. His 0% polling numbers had tripled just this month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 There’s some good stuff in this article https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/new-york-city-mayor-bill-de-blasio-drops-2020-bid-n1056791 But his campaign never took off. A slew of national polls showed him stuck with just 1 percent support — and often times even less. A Siena College poll released earlier this week showed him with 0 percent, even in New York City. ... His brief campaign was marred with sparsely attended events and a bevy of unforced errors. He made headlines in August after an event in Iowa drew only about 15 people. De Blasio attempted to use Twitter to brand Trump as “ConDon,”but that, too, drew mockery because it means condom in Spanish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 LOL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 He was never running anyways. I wish some of the 11 would bow out. Part of me hopes Sanders stays in because if he doesn’t, Warren should win the nomination. I can’t stomach seeing her “plans” that close to the presidency. If she wins the nomination, I’ll enjoy her making Trump look stupid (not that hard) but I’ll never vote for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, John Adams said: He was never running anyways. I wish some of the 11 would bow out. Part of me hopes Sanders stays in because if he doesn’t, Warren should win the nomination. I can’t stomach seeing her “plans” that close to the presidency. If she wins the nomination, I’ll enjoy her making Trump look stupid (not that hard) but I’ll never vote for her. John, you've been dead for a long time. Your vote has already been cast for a Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 31 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: LOL The good news is that he will be off the national stage. The bad news is that he might redouble his efforts as NYC Mayor and work 14 hours per month. 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: John, you've been dead for a long time. Your vote has already been cast for a Democrat. Yes, but Ben, Beginners Mind and most likely Thomas Jefferson have yet to vote. Oh, and I heard Zachary Taylor requested an absentee ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 8 hours ago, Doc Brown said: The main problem is other countries have similar tax rates even with a single payer system mostly because we spend significantly more on a strong national defense. Convincing people that a slight increase in taxes will save you money in the long run because you don't have to pay medical deductibles and copays is a tough sell. We're not ready for it yet and may never be. We're not ready for it because this U.S. government has virtually no track record of collecting taxes and delivering a service to the people with efficiency, fiscal discipline and at a good level of service. It's gut busting laughable, out of breath oh my god I'm gonna die laughable that out government will take this on, save the population money and run the thing well with government workers. ***** hysterical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, John Adams said: If she wins the nomination, I’ll enjoy her making Trump look stupid (not that hard) but I’ll never vote for her. Never is a strong word. Would a Katy Perry concert sway you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: John, you've been dead for a long time. Your vote has already been cast for a Democrat. OK Bucky, you apparently know me well. I voted for a Dem presidential candidate once in the 30 years I’ve been voting and that vote was in the Bush/Gore election...and I had to hold my nose to do it. 13 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Never is a strong word. Would a Katy Perry concert sway you? Nope. Nor did a Trump rally. Edited September 20, 2019 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, John Adams said: OK Bucky, you apparently know me well. I voted for a Dem presidential candidate once in the 30 years I’ve been voting and that vote was in the Bush/Gore election...and I had to hold my nose to do it. you can't actually be that dense, can you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: you can't actually be that dense, can you? Yes, it's an inconvenient truth but it's true nevertheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 8 hours ago, Doc Brown said: The main problem is other countries have similar tax rates even with a single payer system mostly because we spend significantly more on a strong national defense. Convincing people that a slight increase in taxes will save you money in the long run because you don't have to pay medical deductibles and copays is a tough sell. We're not ready for it yet and may never be. How is that a tough sell? I don't get how telling people they'll pay less overall for the same service is a tough sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, jrober38 said: How is that a tough sell? I don't get how telling people they'll pay less overall for the same service is a tough sell. Because this country was founded on an inherent distrust of government power. Full stop. Government is corrupt, lumbering and slow, and where innovation and common sense go to die — Americans don’t want to empower it to have even more control over our lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Because this country was founded on an inherent distrust of government power. Full stop. Government is corrupt, lumbering and slow, and where innovation and common sense go to die — Americans don’t want to empower it to have even more control over our lives. Polls show the vast majority of Americans support some sort of universal healthcare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, jrober38 said: How is that a tough sell? I don't get how telling people they'll pay less overall for the same service is a tough sell. 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Because this country was founded on an inherent distrust of government power. Full stop. Government is corrupt, lumbering and slow, and where innovation and common sense go to die — Americans don’t want to empower it to have even more control over our lives. And because nobody believes that they'll pay less. And if you look further down the road, businesses and jobs will be severely impacted (a) with the price controls that would need to be implemented, and (b) the removal of private health insurance . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: Polls show the vast majority of Americans support some sort of universal healthcare. As we have discussed elsewhere, polls lie. Especially on policy issues where they are trying to manipulate sentiment or create the illusion of “people think it’s good to give government more power.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Because this country was founded on an inherent distrust of government power. Full stop. Government is corrupt, lumbering and slow, and where innovation and common sense go to die — Americans don’t want to empower it to have even more control over our lives. I agreed with slow Joe in Winslow in a football thread and now I agree with you. This week is a mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, John Adams said: I agreed with slow Joe in Winslow in a football thread and now I agree with you. This week is a mess. Buck up. Depending on the way you look at it, this week will end (or next week will begin) with the Bills being 3 and oh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2020 Democrat articles. THIS TYPE OF THINKING ALWAYS ENDS IN CATTLE CARS: Andrew Yang’s Climate Change Solution: Eliminate Cattle And Cars. Also, I have a climate-change solution. It’s climate. It changes. Stop yapping about it. HILLARY 2.0: Elizabeth Warren Hires Lobbyist One Day After Releasing Plan Calling Lobbying ‘Legalized Bribery.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, snafu said: Buck up. Depending on the way you look at it, this week will end (or next week will begin) with the Bills being 3 and oh. What are you a Patriots fan? What Bills fan would say such a stupidly optimistic thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 Just now, John Adams said: What are you a Patriots fan? What Bills fan would say such a stupidly optimistic thing? It's been a great week!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Polls show the vast majority of Americans support some sort of universal healthcare. No, polls showed that the majority of Americans favored Medicare for all until they found out that the elimination of private insurance was involved. They then hated it. Quit trying to manipulate and twist information to suit your agenda. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: No, polls showed that the majority of Americans favored Medicare for all until they found out that the elimination of private insurance was involved. They then hated it. Quit trying to manipulate and twist information to suit your agenda. As we have discussed elsewhere, polls lie. Especially on policy issues where they are trying to manipulate sentiment or create the illusion of “people think it’s good to give government more power.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 "Buttigieg: 'I can't even read the LGBT media anymore'" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 ‘OK, this is absolutely nuts’! White-hot WaPo take: Elizabeth Warren is just like Frederick Douglass because she poses for selfies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 5 hours ago, jrober38 said: How is that a tough sell? I don't get how telling people they'll pay less overall for the same service is a tough sell. Some will pay more and some will pay less depending on their level of health needs. That's already the case but it will be more pronounced. It's a tough sell because you're overhauling a whole system that people are used to and a tax increase is never popular. 4 hours ago, jrober38 said: Polls show the vast majority of Americans support some sort of universal healthcare. I think it's around 40% when they include the caveat of your taxes will go up and you'll no longer have your private health insurance through work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 .....now Burned-Out has the Feds becoming "Howard Hanna Freebee"......SMH......it just never ends with these clowns..... Bernie Sanders says ‘housing must be a right’ with $2.5 trillion plan 17 comments Includes national rent control, community land trust, and housing assistance as an entitlement By Patrick Sisson Updated Sep 18, 2019, 1:19pm EDT Sen. Bernie Sanders unveiled a sweeping $2.5 trillion housing plan, a bold and far-reaching agenda that includes national rent control, ending homelessness, and turning federal housing assistance into an entitlement. He first outlined the plan in Nevada, a state hard-hit by the Great Recession and housing crisis, during a campaign stop in Las Vegas last Saturday, aiming to steer the debate over an issue of rising importance among Democratic voters, and perhaps make a mark in an early primary state, where talk of affordability and rising rents resonates strongly. https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/20867424/democratic-debate-bernie-sanders-affordable-housing-plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 hours ago, John Adams said: I agreed with slow Joe in Winslow in a football thread and now I agree with you. This week is a mess. Everything's been topsy-turvy since 2017. Thanks, Trump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 hours ago, jrober38 said: Polls show the vast majority of Americans support some sort of universal healthcare. Now let’s see how many still favor it when they find it’ll be dispensed at their local DMV! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Everything's been topsy-turvy since 2017. Thanks, Trump! ...ABOUT DAMN TIME the staid, corrupt, "good 'ol boyz", "think tough but no bawls to say it gang", etc got turned upside down and inside out on their ugly head......how many times have "candidates" run on a "Washington outsider" campaign and then cozied up to the same damn comfy climate that they were allegedly (and fraudulently) against?...and WE THE PEOPLE have been raped, pillaged and plundered by these 535 has been lawyers unemployable in the private sector, riding the Fed's Gravy Train ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE......DAMN RIGHT to thank Trump.......need more chlorine pronto for "The Swamp"....and your commentary is woefully sad..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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