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4 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Tibs, in general do you have positive views of the US Military?

What is the point of this question? Because it actually looks like you are saying if you don't support Trump pardoning violent criminals then you don't like the military. 

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27 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What is the point of this question? Because it actually looks like you are saying if you don't support Trump pardoning violent criminals then you don't like the military. 

 

i just asked if you usually have a positive view of the US Military

 

no tricks, just wondering....

 

i'm not going to blast you for any answer, if it's dishonest then it's on you....

 

 

 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

i just asked if you usually have a positive view of the US Military

 

no tricks, just wondering....

 

i'm not going to blast you for any answer, if it's dishonest then it's on you....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, a very high opinion of them 

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2 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


Warren was all but dead, and she is now at 9%? And Harris gained 6% after not moving off 8% since she declared?  And Bernie is at 14%? <_< Ummm yeah.  Is this the beginning of the unlikeable Harris moving up? (She was who I thought was the "chosen one" since the start of this circus.)

What the pollster has done is to post a mirage. This is only showing who is going to come out of the gate fast. Take Harris for example: California is now an early state and it's Harris's home state. It has a ton of delegates and will skew the early results.

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3 hours ago, Tiberius said:
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Democratic 2020 hopeful Pete Buttigieg, a mayor from Indiana who served in Afghanistan as a Navy Reserve intelligence officer, says such pardons would hurt the standing of the U.S. military abroad and make troops less safe.

 

This is a smart move by Mayor Pete.  Being an Afghanistan veteran he has 9000x the credibility as Colonel Bone Spurs on anything in-a-war related.

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9 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

This is a smart move by Mayor Pete.  Being an Afghanistan veteran he has 9000x the credibility as Colonel Bone Spurs on anything in-a-war related.

So, Mayor Pete has all of the resources available to him to make the determination on an individual basis that Trump does?

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30 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

This is a smart move by Mayor Pete.  Being an Afghanistan veteran he has 9000x the credibility as Colonel Bone Spurs on anything in-a-war related.

 

military service means nothing now for political gain

 

John Kerry reporting for duty, then getting swiftboated, was the end of that

 

 

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2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

military service means nothing now for political gain

 

John Kerry reporting for duty, then getting swiftboated, was the end of that

 

 

 

Gotta disagree with you there, service still plays a big role

 

Kerry's problem wasn't that his service didn't matter, his problem is that he is an epic douche canoe.  As an officer, a Senator, Presidential candidate, Secretary of State, and human being in general.

 

Back in 2004 I worked with a swiftboat/Vietnam vet that did not serve directly with or under Kerry, but commented that Kerry's reputation as an officer had spread and the enlisted did not have a favorable opinion

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24 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

Gotta disagree with you there, service still plays a big role

 

Kerry's problem wasn't that his service didn't matter, his problem is that he is an epic douche canoe.  As an officer, a Senator, Presidential candidate, Secretary of State, and human being in general.

 

Back in 2004 I worked with a swiftboat/Vietnam vet that did not serve directly with or under Kerry, but commented that Kerry's reputation as an officer had spread and the enlisted did not have a favorable opinion

 

the Dems are going to be pulled to a candidate because of military service.... c'mon man.............

 

Kerry's thing was.... complicated.... he made it that way without even trying...

 

 

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18 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

Gotta disagree with you there, service still plays a big role

 

Kerry's problem wasn't that his service didn't matter, his problem is that he is an epic douche canoe.  As an officer, a Senator, Presidential candidate, Secretary of State, and human being in general.

 

Back in 2004 I worked with a swiftboat/Vietnam vet that did not serve directly with or under Kerry, but commented that Kerry's reputation as an officer had spread and the enlisted did not have a favorable opinion

Kerry's real name was Herbert Sobel:

 

 

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2 hours ago, row_33 said:

military service means nothing now for political gain

 

In non Trumpian times that may be true.

 

But now Mayor Pete served in Afghanistan while Major Bone Spurs got 5 deferments to Viet Nam.  Anything Trump did was bad.  This comment allows Mayor Pete to one up Trump without saying Trump is a draft dodger. 

 

That's why I think it's smart.  He did the same with the Alfred E Neuman thing.  He didn't have to come right out and say Trump is and old out of touch codger living in the 20th century.  Much better way to go after Trump than to out name call him.

 

Anyone care to guess how many deferments Uncle Joe got?

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1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

In non Trumpian times that may be true.

 

But now Mayor Pete served in Afghanistan while Major Bone Spurs got 5 deferments to Viet Nam.  Anything Trump did was bad.  This comment allows Mayor Pete to one up Trump without saying Trump is a draft dodger. 

 

That's why I think it's smart.  He did the same with the Alfred E Neuman thing.  He didn't have to come right out and say Trump is and old out of touch codger living in the 20th century.  Much better way to go after Trump than to out name call him.

 

Anyone care to guess how many deferments Uncle Joe got?

Who cares? People in leadership roles have to be first...……………………………………………………….a leader. That coupled with a moral compass, strong beliefs and a work ethic can take a person a long ways. A wise leader doesn't have to be a former military person to lead the military or have any other specific skills to lead different kinds of leaders. Common sense and good advisers are sufficient. Your dislike for Trump appears irrational.

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sad day when libtards are kissing the behind of the CIA and the military

 

it feels much better when they are screaming "DIE PIG!!" in direct confrontation

 

it's more honest

 

 

ask your 70 year old uncle, the really quiet one, about his time he took a club to the head by the cops and spent a weekend in jail over Nam

 

 

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49 minutes ago, B-Man said:

WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY: 

 

“2020 Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg on Thursday unveiled 27 new policy proposals grouped under 3 categories:

‘Freedom,’ ‘Security’ and ‘Democracy,’” 

 

 

all of which are designed to expand the government and reduce freedom, security, and democracy.

 

 

He's nuts.  Not even Dems with majorities will enact Medicare for all or order reparations.. 

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I know, it's Breitbart (which I don't like posting) 

 

But it's really the WaPo being quoted/used as a source. 

 

Joe's got no chance when this thing blows wide. He, and everyone in 44's orbit during his administration, will be radioactive. The same fate awaits those in the Senate and Congress running for POTUS or re-election who spent the past three years pushing a now debunked conspiracy theory like Harris, Swalwell, Warren. 

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Tusli Gabbard is the lone Democrat candidate that is growing on me.  

21 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Political Cartoons by AF Branco

 

 

 

 

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You know who isn't in that picture?  Tulsi Gabbard.  She is IMO, legitimately the best candidate the Democrats have and she gets next to no exposure from their party.  She's not a war hawk and pisses off her own party at the same rate she pisses off the Republicans.  

 

I think she's the most comprehensive threat to Trump because she has appeal to moderates in both parties.  

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30 minutes ago, dpberr said:

Tusli Gabbard is the lone Democrat candidate that is growing on me.  

 

You know who isn't in that picture?  Tulsi Gabbard.  She is IMO, legitimately the best candidate the Democrats have and she gets next to no exposure from their party.  She's not a war hawk and pisses off her own party at the same rate she pisses off the Republicans.  

 

I think she's the most comprehensive threat to Trump because she has appeal to moderates in both parties.  

 

But the media and the DNC will tamp her down. 

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1 hour ago, dpberr said:

I think she's the most comprehensive threat to Trump because she has appeal to moderates in both parties.  

 

She's not a threat to beat Trump for dog catcher. She is being intentionally ignored by the media and the DNC. Her candidacy was DOA from its first week, when they found some nonsense to make her apologize for.

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6 hours ago, B-Man said:

WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY: 

 

“2020 Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg on Thursday unveiled 27 new policy proposals grouped under 3 categories:

‘Freedom,’ ‘Security’ and ‘Democracy,’” 

 

 

all of which are designed to expand the government and reduce freedom, security, and democracy.

 

 

:blink: Here's a good one of Pete's proposals:

  • Electoral college: A national popular vote to replace the Electoral College

Wouldn't we first need an Amendment to the Constitution in order to Amend the Constitution by national popular vote?

 

 

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2 hours ago, dpberr said:

Tusli Gabbard is the lone Democrat candidate that is growing on me.  

 

You know who isn't in that picture?  Tulsi Gabbard.  She is IMO, legitimately the best candidate the Democrats have and she gets next to no exposure from their party.  She's not a war hawk and pisses off her own party at the same rate she pisses off the Republicans.  

 

I think she's the most comprehensive threat to Trump because she has appeal to moderates in both parties.  

 

One word: superdelegates.

 

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7 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Wouldn't we first need an Amendment to the Constitution in order to Amend the Constitution by national popular vote?

 

Just get rid of the Constitution. Problem solved.

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43 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

:blink: Here's a good one of Pete's proposals:

  • Electoral college: A national popular vote to replace the Electoral College

Wouldn't we first need an Amendment to the Constitution in order to Amend the Constitution by national popular vote?

 

 

 

Yes, can't be done at the federal level...but having each state decide to allocate its EC delegates to whoever wins the popular vote is a nice dodge.  

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1 hour ago, snafu said:

 

:blink: Here's a good one of Pete's proposals:

  • Electoral college: A national popular vote to replace the Electoral College

Wouldn't we first need an Amendment to the Constitution in order to Amend the Constitution by national popular vote?

 

 

Nevada may be next to pledge their EC votes to whoever wins the national popular vote.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/22/725616541/nevada-poised-to-become-15th-state-to-ditch-electoral-college

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4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Nevada may be next to pledge their EC delegates to whoever wins the popular vote.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/22/725616541/nevada-poised-to-become-15th-state-to-ditch-electoral-college

 

I guess they can make the amendment by getting 2/3 of the states to pass it and they can call a convention.

I wonder which idea will get to 2/3 first -- this popular vote idea, or the "convention of states" that's been passed by 15 States so far.

 

 

 

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Just now, snafu said:

 

I guess they can make the amendment by getting 2/3 of the states to pass it and they can call a convention.

I wonder which idea will get to 2/3 first -- this popular vote idea, or the "convention of states" that's been passed by 15 States so far.

Neither in our lifetimes.  Probably.

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15 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Neither in our lifetimes.  Probably.

 

They should get together.  They'd have 30 out of 33 States (there is NO crossover presently).

Though the national popular vote wouldn't need 33 to effectively take effect, they just need to get to 270 electoral votes.  I wonder if that would withstand a court challenge.

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18 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

They should get together.  They'd have 30 out of 33 States (there is NO crossover presently).

Though the national popular vote wouldn't need 33 to effectively take effect, they just need to get to 270 electoral votes.  I wonder if that would withstand a court challenge.

 

I think you'd have an interesting (and expedited) court fight if a candidate from the winning party (according to that state's ballot) won the state, but the state directed the electors to vote for the other candidate.

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Biden, like HIllary is in no way shape or form able to physically take on a real Presidential campaign

 

and this is still way before it's even 5% intense... 

 

LOL

 

 

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