buffalobillswin Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 I feel this place isn't angry/depressed enough, so let's re-live the Music City Miracle to get ready for the Titans... The Bills kicked the fg on first and 10 with 20 seconds left. This is totally playing the result but man I wish we would have kneeled, spiked it and then kicked the fg with 4 seconds on the clock. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 In hindsight, of course. In the moment there is some benefit to kicking on 3rd down in case the snap is off and needs to be covered and then kick on 4th down. The question is whether a bad snap or a kick-off returned for a TD is more likely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBilz2500 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Another angle that I always look at: being that the play was soo close and impossible to tell from the naked eye I'm surprised that the refs didn't throw a flag for an illegal forward pass and then upon review be unable to overturn a play that didn't show indisputable evidence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Just now, DBilz2500 said: Another angle that I always look at: being that the play was soo close and impossible to tell from the naked eye I'm surprised that the refs didn't throw a flag for an illegal forward pass and then upon review be unable to overturn a play that didn't show indisputable evidence. Very true, as all 3 network announcers in the booth ( Patrick, Theismann, Maguire ) said it was an illegal forward pass while the play was still live. Seemed apparent and warranted a flag. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, DBilz2500 said: Another angle that I always look at: being that the play was soo close and impossible to tell from the naked eye I'm surprised that the refs didn't throw a flag for an illegal forward pass and then upon review be unable to overturn a play that didn't show indisputable evidence. Yuck. IMO NFL has already downgraded its product significantly by throwing flags when the ref isn't sure or it's a close play. The default should always be to not throw a flag. Go back and look at the overhead photo of where the 11 Bills were at the moment of the pass. The kick coverage would have embarrassed a high school coach. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, buffalobillswin said: I feel this place isn't angry/depressed enough, so let's re-live the Music City Miracle to get ready for the Titans... The Bills kicked the fg on first and 10 with 20 seconds left. This is totally playing the result but man I wish we would have kneeled, spiked it and then kicked the fg with 4 seconds on the clock. That is a rather big mistake... Even if you leave yourself 10 seconds or something its still better. Tennessee had 2 timeouts as well. Why not make them use them? I probably wouldn't have opted for the squib kick either. Christies limited leg may have forced their hand though. Maybe have a high and short kick plan or something along those lines. It's that type of situational football that you need to think about. More food for thought... The clock starts as soon as the kickoff begins (in 1999), so if you had limited it to maybe 8-10 seconds, you can kick it out of bounds and leave them with only like 4 seconds from their 40. A FG is impossible Edited October 4, 2018 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 30 minutes ago, buffalobillswin said: I feel this place isn't angry/depressed enough, so let's re-live the Music City Miracle to get ready for the Titans... The Bills kicked the fg on first and 10 with 20 seconds left. This is totally playing the result but man I wish we would have kneeled, spiked it and then kicked the fg with 4 seconds on the clock. Precisely why it is NOW common practice in the NFL to take the clock down to 4 seconds - so there is no opportunity for a kick return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Yuck. IMO NFL has already downgraded its product significantly by throwing flags when the ref isn't sure or it's a close play. The default should always be to not throw a flag. Go back and look at the overhead photo of where the 11 Bills were at the moment of the pass. The kick coverage would have embarrassed a high school coach. Stay in your lanes!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Yuck. IMO NFL has already downgraded its product significantly by throwing flags when the ref isn't sure or it's a close play. The default should always be to not throw a flag. Go back and look at the overhead photo of where the 11 Bills were at the moment of the pass. The kick coverage would have embarrassed a high school coach. This is correct. If the Bills had done their jobs, the trick play would not have worked. And while we're at it, before Brett Hull scored his no-goal (which shouldn't have been allowed), a Sabre went right past him, attempting to poke check the puck away, instead of flattening Hull and ending the opportunity. And for that matter, the exhausted Sabres hadn't had a decent scoring chance since the third period, and sooner or later one of the Stars would have scored. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 You call it a miracle, I call it a mind f&*k 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 i choose not to relive this again, and again, and again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 One thing that always makes me angry was the illegal forward pass and run for a TD. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 This is a good example of how the game has progressed in terms of analytics. Sports in general are managed with much more precision and dare I say, strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boco357 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Phil Luckett was the ref. A guy who botched a coin toss and thought a QB helmet crossing a goalline is a TD got a playoff game. After he made the call some DL on the Titans patted him on the back. I never saw that from any other player before. Also the squib was wrong call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, buffalobillswin said: I feel this place isn't angry/depressed enough, so let's re-live the Music City Miracle to get ready for the Titans... The Bills kicked the fg on first and 10 with 20 seconds left. This is totally playing the result but man I wish we would have kneeled, spiked it and then kicked the fg with 4 seconds on the clock. Wade is a great defensive coordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Utah John said: This is correct. If the Bills had done their jobs, the trick play would not have worked. And while we're at it, before Brett Hull scored his no-goal (which shouldn't have been allowed), a Sabre went right past him, attempting to poke check the puck away, instead of flattening Hull and ending the opportunity. And for that matter, the exhausted Sabres hadn't had a decent scoring chance since the third period, and sooner or later one of the Stars would have scored. You & KD are missing the point. They should of spiked the ball with 4 seconds left but they panicked. You could say "oh if the snap is muffed then there is still time to kick another FG" but come on. Common sense tells you to run the clock down. There should of never been a kickoff. Although one may say if they tried to run the clock down Fischer may have used one of his TOs to stop the clock. So worst case scenario you make them burn a Time out which is never a bad thing, maybe Bruce Dehaven could of used that time to remind his players to stay in their dam lanes. & by the way to this day, as a Bills fan of over thirty years that loss to me hurt the most & still hurts. I don't know why but it hurts more than Wide Right to me. I can't explain it; it just does. Edited October 4, 2018 by Gordio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, Gordio said: You & KD are missing the point. They should of spiked the ball with 4 seconds left but they panicked. You could say "oh if the snap is muffed then there is still time to kick another FG" but come on. Common sense tells you to run the clock down. There should of never been a kickoff. Although one may say if they tried to run the clock down Fischer may have used one of his TOs to stop the clock. So worst case scenario you make them burn a Time out which is never a bad thing, maybe Bruce Dehaven could of used that time to remind his players to stay in their dam lanes. & by the way to this day, as a Bills fan of over thirty years that loss to me hurt the most & still hurts. I don't know why but it hurts more than Wide Right to me. I can't explain it; it just does. To me nothing related to Bills football hurts more than "wide right", nothing. Ronnie Harmon's no catch, MCM or even losing to the Jags in Kelly's last game. Nothing compares to "wide right". At least to me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, DBilz2500 said: Another angle that I always look at: being that the play was soo close and impossible to tell from the naked eye I'm surprised that the refs didn't throw a flag for an illegal forward pass and then upon review be unable to overturn a play that didn't show indisputable evidence. Not sure they had video review at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 The Music City Forward Pass. I refuse to use the M word. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Utah John said: This is correct. If the Bills had done their jobs, the trick play would not have worked. And while we're at it, before Brett Hull scored his no-goal (which shouldn't have been allowed), a Sabre went right past him, attempting to poke check the puck away, instead of flattening Hull and ending the opportunity. And for that matter, the exhausted Sabres hadn't had a decent scoring chance since the third period, and sooner or later one of the Stars would have scored. OMG! It worked. Now I am officially depressed! ? 56 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: This is a good example of how the game has progressed in terms of analytics. Sports in general are managed with much more precision and dare I say, strategy. Strategy smategy! Give me culture instead!!! Culture is what I need! Culture is what I want. ? Edited October 4, 2018 by Fred Marchibroda Spacing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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