John from Riverside Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 8:53 AM, PlayoffsPlease said: I think you miss the point. His age does not matter. It will only make him more attractive to other teams (or more expensive to the Bills when the rookie contract is up). You get a rookie for the life of the rookie contract, whether he is 20 or 23 at the start does not change that fact. Because when you do pay him you are getting more of his prime for your money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 2:11 PM, PlayoffsPlease said: the thing that sucks is if Allen is the real deal, we have the Derek Carr , Khalil Mack situation , where you just can't afford both. It may not make sense to trade up for two first rounders in the same draft for this reason. I thought the raiders issue was the lack of cash flow. Between contracts, Gruden's contract, and relocation costs. I thought they weren't sure if the cash flow was their to put away for all the guaranteed money Mack would cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 12 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: I thought the raiders issue was the lack of cash flow. Between contracts, Gruden's contract, and relocation costs. I thought they weren't sure if the cash flow was their to put away for all the guaranteed money Mack would cost. Exactly. The issue isn’t affording both contracts. The issue is the Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 2:58 PM, Alphadawg7 said: Funny how simple that is, but yet so complicated and hard for so many around here to understand. We have a lot of instant grat crowd here now...... Ppl go wtf when McD keeps talking about it being a young team......he is talking about guys like Allen, Edmunds, Dawkins, Milano, Tre, etc etc...the CORE guys...the older guys on this team are just interchangable parts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Do people hate a player just because of the school he went to ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Do people hate a player just because of the school he went to ? I think we can go more shallow than that at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Philo Beddoe said: I think we can go more shallow than that at times. Lol. ? sad but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Do people hate a player just because of the school he went to ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 27 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Do people hate a player just because of the school he went to ? They can go to the School of mimes for all I care as long as they a. Dont get into trouble off the field and b. Make plays on Sunday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 2:36 PM, Buffalo716 said: The difference is Mack is a pass rusher with a 100+ million dollar deal Kuechley is on a 5 year 61 million dollar deal and he is like the highest paid MLB we can afford both Exactly I can't see MLB's commanding more than 10-12 million a year. A great MLB can be an integral part to your run defense, a major part in defending the short and intermediate passing game while also adding in a little to your pass rush. However they aren't primary pass rushers and the market for them isn't too crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: So my suspicions were right thanks Yolo Predetermined prejudice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 9:14 AM, Utah John said: It's the same for all players and in all positions. Teams hold on to a few of the draft picks from four years ago, the ones they really want to keep. This year it looks like the keepers (past the end of the rookie contracts) will be Allen, Edmunds, and maybe Harrison. How many from the past few drafts will they want to keep? White, Milano, Dawkins...? This dismal drafting performance will be good news in a couple of years when the Bills are able to let most of their subpar players walk, if they can get good offers elsewhere, or stay for low-end veteran contracts. Teams that drafted better than Buffalo will have a much harder time keeping all their players moving off their rookie contracts. The real crunch will start when the accumulated keeper players from several drafts in a row, all get to the new contract point at the same time. We've arguably had exceptional drafts this season and last, compared to previous years. White, debateably, should have been DROY last year. Milano isn't premier but for a sophomore the kid is a solid backer, and Dawkins is currently graded as one of the top tackles in the league (especially with ESPNs new fancy OL grading...). Our current draft class is already the top contributors on our roster beyond many vets. While that isn't saying much given our team at the moment, it bodes well for the future if these guys continue to develop. Do you really want them to get rid of Taron and Neal as well? Those guys are steals for the picks we got them at and there sophomore contracts will be levied appropriately pending they don't have a breakout year and lead the league in INTs. But I agree, teams that draft well have issues retaining all players due to cap constraints and player contract demands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) On 10/2/2018 at 1:09 PM, LSHMEAB said: Terrifying thought. What if Dawkins becomes a dominant LT? Even more frightening. With all the doom and gloom, the dangers of having an elite LT, QB, and MLB is really being overlooked. Don't forget our top DB, too. In all honesty though, you can retain all of these players if handled appropriately, and contracts are tiered accordingly. The more terrifying thought is not having a dominant player at any of those positions... Edited October 5, 2018 by ctk232 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 - Edmunds has been one of the NFL’s best rookies A Sean McDermott defense is at its best when it’s built around a rangy and athletic middle linebacker. Panthers’ linebacker Luke Kuechly broke out as one of the best defenders in the league under McDermott’s tutelage. Buffalo linebacker Tremaine Edmunds is now doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) On 10/2/2018 at 11:22 AM, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah, I’m not worried about TE at all. ...BIGGER question is if the game is slowing down for......Leslie......hmmmm.................. Edited October 6, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 4:09 PM, LSHMEAB said: Terrifying thought. What if Dawkins becomes a dominant LT? Even more frightening. With all the doom and gloom, the dangers of having an elite LT, QB, and MLB is really being overlooked. Don't you worry. If this happens, we'll trade him. See Peters and Glenn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 He’s been responsible in some way for I believe now 5 turnovers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: He’s been responsible in some way for I believe now 5 turnovers Yep... and he is still learning. He needs to stop getting sucked in by play action though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Monster. I'll just keep referencing Micah Hyde , when asked about Edmunds in preparation for the Vikings (Week 3) , he said he's a future H.O.F, dead serious. Said his sideline to sideline speed is amazing, leadership and Never makes the same mistake twice.. This D will be elite for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 But Edmunds didnt make Jeramiah's list? This D has been DOMINANT and Edmunds gets a lot of credit for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Tremaine is improving every game. Just want to see him get more aggressive against the run but I guess that comes with experience. He has been looking a lot better against the pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Tremaine Edmunds is the only player in the @NFL with 35+ tackles, 5+ passes defensed and 2+ forced fumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Tremaine Edmunds is the only player in the @NFL with 35+ tackles, 5+ passes defensed and 2+ forced fumbles. Tell that to Daniel Jeremiah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 11:30 AM, PlayoffsPlease said: Just as the rookie contract comes to its conclusion. and the hand wringing and negative projections can begin all over again ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elroy16 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 11:31 AM, YoloinOhio said: Damn is it refreshing to see a Bills MLB be able to carry a WR down the middle of the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/5/2018 at 4:35 PM, billsfan89 said: Exactly I can't see MLB's commanding more than 10-12 million a year. A great MLB can be an integral part to your run defense, a major part in defending the short and intermediate passing game while also adding in a little to your pass rush. However they aren't primary pass rushers and the market for them isn't too crazy. This is an undervalued point. You can develop all -pro talent under the constrains of the future budget. Not each position is valued the same at its peak Salary of course. So you can find ways to draft and develop players in layers (years of contract and due date to re negotiate )Bills could have a a pro bowl player at nickel corner and both guards due for contract same year and still have cash flow for a couple more key positions. its complicated at first glance because it is 3 - D Gm work. Projecting specific budgets and drafting accordingly. Player value ( skill etc) vs long term cost (second contract ) vs position value by the league $ vs Cap over time does that make sense to anyone lol ? On 10/5/2018 at 5:10 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: So my suspicions were right thanks Yolo Predetermined prejudice. It's based upon "tribal mentality" We all do it in varying degrees i imagine. : ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/7/2018 at 3:59 PM, Royale with Cheese said: He’s been responsible in some way for I believe now 5 turnovers as mentioned , he seems to improve each game.. and simply put , Leslie has called it correctly. doing everything better. Just fun to watch grow on a weekly basis. he and M Milano are making each other better and having fun. such a key position ? His play affects the rest of the Defensive game. whats called even. I like what McBeanes did for the Dline this year. Showing up to me , it has helped the young LBs and secondary as well quickly settle down and focus Love this Big Goofy Kid Great pick for many reasons. Go Bills ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Tremaine and Milano are a fast , explosive duo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 11:31 AM, YoloinOhio said: Edmunds is as fast or faster than most WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 hours ago, ctk232 said: Tell that to Daniel Jeremiah... Lol. Just more proof some some of these so called professional writers are clueless and not worth the click. Mysery loves company I guess for those that do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFC24 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 11:30 AM, PlayoffsPlease said: Just as the rookie contract comes to its conclusion. Thats perfect. If he peaks before his rookie contract ends he will demand a massive pay day if he somewhat goes under the radar the next 3-4 years and really explodes when he's 24-29 its better for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 11:31 AM, YoloinOhio said: His acceleration is unreal for a mlb his size. This isn't the first time it's been on display and has impacted quite a few plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 He looked so slow to me at first. But thats deceptive. he has a long stride and covers ground surprisingly fast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) On 10/2/2018 at 11:53 AM, PlayoffsPlease said: I think you miss the point. His age does not matter. It will only make him more attractive to other teams (or more expensive to the Bills when the rookie contract is up). You get a rookie for the life of the rookie contract, whether he is 20 or 23 at the start does not change that fact. Right. That is the problem with drafting raw players. As soon as their skills come to full fruition you have to pony up big $ to keep them. Meanwhile, guys who come out ready can give you a couple of years of top play at low prices. Look at Tredavious White as an example. Maybe McDermott and Beane see the defensive MLB as a quarterback type who is worth paying big $ to keep an elite player long term. You can't have too many of those on your roster before you're in salary cap trouble though. Edited October 13, 2018 by vincec 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 7 hours ago, vincec said: Right. That is the problem with drafting raw players. As soon as their skills come to full fruition you have to pony up big $ to keep them. Meanwhile, guys who come out ready can give you a couple of years of top play at low prices. Look at Tredavious White as an example. Maybe McDermott and Beane see the defensive MLB as a quarterback type who is worth paying big $ to keep an elite player long term. You can't have too many of those on your roster before you're in salary cap trouble though. The good new is Edmunds will probably be elite by the end of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: The good new is Edmunds will probably be elite by the end of this season. Exactly....this kid is getting really good really fast.......by the 3/4 stretch of this year he is going to just flat out be a monster....we are seeing monster play here and there already. We cannot be afraid to draft studs for fear that we might lose them.....we cannot be afraid to develop talent that might take a little longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 11:30 AM, PlayoffsPlease said: Just as the rookie contract comes to its conclusion. In my opinion, it’s best not to worry about problems you MAY face multiple years from now. Just my my two cents. On 10/2/2018 at 1:33 PM, LSHMEAB said: Edmunds has looked better every single time he's stepped on the field. That's what you want to see from a rookie. Zero worries about this kid. He was ROASTED in week two but, otherwise, in my opinion, has played great ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Exactly....this kid is getting really good really fast.......by the 3/4 stretch of this year he is going to just flat out be a monster....we are seeing monster play here and there already. We cannot be afraid to draft studs for fear that we might lose them.....we cannot be afraid to develop talent that might take a little longer try to keep up. the whole purpose of this sidebar discussion is to point out that there is zero advantage to having a 20 year vs a 23 year old rookie. No one whatsoever is concerned about having too much talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: try to keep up. the whole purpose of this sidebar discussion is to point out that there is zero advantage to having a 20 year vs a 23 year old rookie. No one whatsoever is concerned about having too much talent. I am keeping up.....we are talking about the ability to pay and keep them right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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