Tremaine Edmunds does not look lost; Frazier: “game is starting to slow down for him”

[John from Riverside]

On 10/2/2018 at 8:53 AM, PlayoffsPlease said:

I think you miss the point.  His age does not matter.  It will only make him more attractive to other teams (or more expensive to the Bills when the rookie contract is up).   You get a rookie for the life of the rookie contract, whether he is 20 or 23 at the start does not change that fact. 

Because when you do pay him you are getting more of his prime for your money

[Ol Dirty B]

On 10/2/2018 at 2:11 PM, PlayoffsPlease said:

the thing that sucks is if Allen is the real deal, we have the Derek Carr , Khalil Mack situation , where you just can't afford both.  It may not make sense to trade up for two first rounders in the same draft for this reason. 

 

I thought the raiders issue was the lack of cash flow. Between contracts, Gruden's contract, and relocation costs. I thought they weren't sure if the cash flow was their to put away for all the guaranteed money Mack would cost.

[YoloinOhio]

12 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I thought the raiders issue was the lack of cash flow. Between contracts, Gruden's contract, and relocation costs. I thought they weren't sure if the cash flow was their to put away for all the guaranteed money Mack would cost.

Exactly. The issue isn’t affording both contracts. The issue is the Raiders. 

[John from Riverside]

On 10/2/2018 at 2:58 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Funny how simple that is, but yet so complicated and hard for so many around here to understand.

We have a lot of instant grat crowd here now......

 

Ppl go wtf when McD keeps talking about it being a young team......he is talking about guys like Allen, Edmunds, Dawkins, Milano, Tre, etc etc...the CORE guys...the older guys on this team are just interchangable parts.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Do people hate a player just because of the school he went to ?

 

 

[Philo]

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Do people hate a player just because of the school he went to ?

 

 

 

I think we can go more shallow than that at times. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, Philo Beddoe said:

 

I think we can go more shallow than that at times. 

Lol.  ? sad but true

[YoloinOhio]

14 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Do people hate a player just because of the school he went to ?

 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

27 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Do people hate a player just because of the school he went to ?

 

 

They can go to the School of mimes for all I care as long as they a.  Dont get into trouble off the field and b.  Make plays on Sunday

[billsfan89]

On 10/2/2018 at 2:36 PM, Buffalo716 said:

 

The difference is Mack is a pass rusher with a 100+ million dollar deal 

 

Kuechley is on a 5 year 61 million dollar deal and he is like the highest paid MLB

 

we can afford both 

 

Exactly I can't see MLB's commanding more than 10-12 million a year. A great MLB can be an integral part to your run defense, a major part in defending the short and intermediate passing game while also adding in a little to your pass rush. However they aren't primary pass rushers and the market for them isn't too crazy. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

So my suspicions were right 

 

thanks Yolo

Predetermined prejudice.   

 

[ctk232]

On 10/2/2018 at 9:14 AM, Utah John said:

It's the same for all players and in all positions.  Teams hold on to a few of the draft picks from four years ago, the ones they really want to keep.  This year it looks like the keepers (past the end of the rookie contracts) will be Allen, Edmunds, and maybe Harrison.  How many from the past few drafts will they want to keep?  White, Milano, Dawkins...?  This dismal drafting performance will be good news in a couple of years when the Bills are able to let most of their subpar players walk, if they can get good offers elsewhere, or stay for low-end veteran contracts.  Teams that drafted better than Buffalo will have a much harder time keeping all their players moving off their rookie contracts.  The real crunch will start when the accumulated keeper players from several drafts in a row, all get to the new contract point at the same time. 

We've arguably had exceptional drafts this season and last, compared to previous years. White, debateably, should have been DROY last year. Milano isn't premier but for a sophomore the kid is a solid backer, and Dawkins is currently graded as one of the top tackles in the league (especially with ESPNs new fancy OL grading...). Our current draft class is already the top contributors on our roster beyond many vets. While that isn't saying much given our team at the moment, it bodes well for the future if these guys continue to develop. Do you really want them to get rid of Taron and Neal as well? Those guys are steals for the picks we got them at and there sophomore contracts will be levied appropriately pending they don't have a breakout year and lead the league in INTs.

 

But I agree, teams that draft well have issues retaining all players due to cap constraints and player contract demands.

[ctk232]

On 10/2/2018 at 1:09 PM, LSHMEAB said:

Terrifying thought.

 

What if Dawkins becomes a dominant LT? Even more frightening.

 

With all the doom and gloom, the dangers of having an elite LT, QB, and MLB is really being overlooked. 

Don't forget our top DB, too.

 

In all honesty though, you can retain all of these players if handled appropriately, and contracts are tiered accordingly. The more terrifying thought is not having a dominant player at any of those positions...

Edited October 5, 2018 by ctk232

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

1 - Edmunds has been one of the NFL’s best rookies

A Sean McDermott defense is at its best when it’s built around a rangy and athletic middle linebacker. Panthers’ linebacker Luke Kuechly broke out as one of the best defenders in the league under McDermott’s tutelage.

Buffalo linebacker Tremaine Edmunds is now doing the same.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

On 10/2/2018 at 11:22 AM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, I’m not worried about TE at all.  

 

...BIGGER question is if the game is slowing down for......Leslie......hmmmm..................

Edited October 6, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Dopey]

On 10/2/2018 at 4:09 PM, LSHMEAB said:

Terrifying thought.

 

What if Dawkins becomes a dominant LT? Even more frightening.

 

With all the doom and gloom, the dangers of having an elite LT, QB, and MLB is really being overlooked. 

Don't you worry. If this happens, we'll trade him. See Peters and Glenn.

[Royale with Cheese]

He’s been responsible in some way for I believe now 5 turnovers 

[aceman_16]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

He’s been responsible in some way for I believe now 5 turnovers 

Yep... and he is still learning.  He needs to stop getting sucked in by play action though.

[JerseyBills]

Monster. I'll just keep referencing Micah Hyde , when asked about Edmunds in preparation for the Vikings (Week 3) , he said he's a future H.O.F, dead serious. Said his sideline to sideline speed is amazing, leadership and Never makes the same mistake twice.. 

This D will be elite for a long time

[John from Riverside]

But Edmunds didnt make Jeramiah's list?

 

This D has been DOMINANT and Edmunds gets a lot of credit for that.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[wppete]

Tremaine is improving every game. Just want to see him get more aggressive against the run but I guess that comes with experience. He has been looking a lot better against the pass. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

Tremaine Edmunds is the only player in the @NFL with 35+ tackles, 5+ passes defensed and 2+ forced fumbles.

[ctk232]

3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

 

 

Tremaine Edmunds is the only player in the @NFL with 35+ tackles, 5+ passes defensed and 2+ forced fumbles.

Tell that to Daniel Jeremiah...

[3rdand12]

On 10/2/2018 at 11:30 AM, PlayoffsPlease said:

Just as the rookie contract comes to its conclusion. 

and the hand wringing and negative projections can begin all over again !

[elroy16]

On 10/9/2018 at 11:31 AM, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

 

Damn is it refreshing to see a Bills MLB be able to carry a WR down the middle of the field. 

[3rdand12]

On 10/5/2018 at 4:35 PM, billsfan89 said:

 

Exactly I can't see MLB's commanding more than 10-12 million a year. A great MLB can be an integral part to your run defense, a major part in defending the short and intermediate passing game while also adding in a little to your pass rush. However they aren't primary pass rushers and the market for them isn't too crazy. 

This is an undervalued point. You can develop all -pro talent under the constrains of the future budget. Not each position is valued the same at its peak Salary of course. So you can find ways to draft and develop players in layers (years of contract and due date to re negotiate )Bills  could have a  a pro bowl player at nickel corner  and both guards due for contract same year and still have cash flow for a couple more key positions.

its complicated at first glance because it is 3 - D  Gm work. Projecting specific budgets and drafting accordingly.

Player value ( skill etc) vs long term cost (second contract ) vs position value by the league $ vs Cap over time

 does that make sense to anyone lol  ?
 

On 10/5/2018 at 5:10 PM, ShadyBillsFan said:

So my suspicions were right 

 

thanks Yolo

Predetermined prejudice.   

 

It's based upon "tribal mentality"
We all do it in varying degrees i imagine.

 : )

[3rdand12]

On 10/7/2018 at 3:59 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

He’s been responsible in some way for I believe now 5 turnovers 

as mentioned , he seems to improve each game.. and simply put , Leslie has called it correctly.
doing everything better.

 Just fun to watch grow on a weekly basis. he and M Milano are making each other better and having fun.
such a key position ? His play affects the rest of the Defensive game. whats called even.
 

I like what McBeanes did for the Dline this year. Showing up to me , it has helped the young LBs and secondary as well quickly settle down and focus

 Love this Big Goofy Kid 

 Great pick for many reasons.

Go Bills !

[Buffalo716]

Tremaine and Milano are a fast , explosive duo!

[Soda Popinski]

On 10/9/2018 at 11:31 AM, YoloinOhio said:

 

Edmunds is as fast or faster than most WRs. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 hours ago, ctk232 said:

Tell that to Daniel Jeremiah...

Lol.  

 

Just more proof some some of these so called professional writers are clueless and not worth the click.  

 

Mysery loves company I guess for those that do. 

[LFC24]

On 10/2/2018 at 11:30 AM, PlayoffsPlease said:

Just as the rookie contract comes to its conclusion. 

 

Thats perfect. If he peaks before his rookie contract ends he will demand a massive pay day 

 

if he somewhat goes under the radar the next 3-4 years and really explodes when he's 24-29 its better for us. 

[JerseyBills]

On 10/9/2018 at 11:31 AM, YoloinOhio said:

 

His acceleration is unreal for a mlb his size. This isn't the first time it's been on display and  has impacted quite a few plays

[3rdand12]

He looked so slow to me at first. But thats deceptive. he has a long stride and covers ground surprisingly fast

[vincec]

On 10/2/2018 at 11:53 AM, PlayoffsPlease said:

I think you miss the point.  His age does not matter.  It will only make him more attractive to other teams (or more expensive to the Bills when the rookie contract is up).   You get a rookie for the life of the rookie contract, whether he is 20 or 23 at the start does not change that fact. 

Right. That is the problem with drafting raw players. As soon as their skills come to full fruition you have to pony up big $ to keep them. Meanwhile, guys who come out ready can give you a couple of years of top play at low prices. Look at Tredavious White as an example.

 

Maybe McDermott and Beane see the defensive MLB as a quarterback type who is worth paying big $ to keep an elite player long term. You can't have too many of those on your roster before you're in salary cap trouble though.

Edited October 13, 2018 by vincec

[PlayoffsPlease]

7 hours ago, vincec said:

Right. That is the problem with drafting raw players. As soon as their skills come to full fruition you have to pony up big $ to keep them. Meanwhile, guys who come out ready can give you a couple of years of top play at low prices. Look at Tredavious White as an example.

 

Maybe McDermott and Beane see the defensive MLB as a quarterback type who is worth paying big $ to keep an elite player long term. You can't have too many of those on your roster before you're in salary cap trouble though.

The good new is Edmunds will probably be elite  by the end of this season.  

[John from Riverside]

11 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

The good new is Edmunds will probably be elite  by the end of this season.  

Exactly....this kid is getting really good really fast.......by the 3/4 stretch of this year he is going to just flat out be a monster....we are seeing monster play here and there already.

 

We cannot be afraid to draft studs for fear that we might lose them.....we cannot be afraid to develop talent that might take a little longer

[TroutDog]

On 10/2/2018 at 11:30 AM, PlayoffsPlease said:

Just as the rookie contract comes to its conclusion. 

In my opinion, it’s best not to worry about problems you MAY face multiple years from now. 

 

Just my my two cents. 

On 10/2/2018 at 1:33 PM, LSHMEAB said:

Edmunds has looked better every single time he's stepped on the field. That's what you want to see from a rookie.

 

Zero worries about this kid.

He was ROASTED in week two but, otherwise, in my opinion, has played great ball. 

[PlayoffsPlease]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Exactly....this kid is getting really good really fast.......by the 3/4 stretch of this year he is going to just flat out be a monster....we are seeing monster play here and there already.

 

We cannot be afraid to draft studs for fear that we might lose them.....we cannot be afraid to develop talent that might take a little longer

 try to keep up.  the whole purpose of this sidebar discussion is to point out that there is zero advantage to having a 20 year vs a 23 year old rookie. No one whatsoever is concerned about having too much talent. 

[John from Riverside]

9 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

 try to keep up.  the whole purpose of this sidebar discussion is to point out that there is zero advantage to having a 20 year vs a 23 year old rookie. No one whatsoever is concerned about having too much talent. 

I am keeping up.....we are talking about the ability to pay and keep them right?