NoSaint Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: the Front Office had nothing to work with cap wise after the prior regimes terrible decisions. I expect us to be much better next year with a ton of cap space (WR, OL, secondary---we did a good job getting Hyde and Poyer!). Plus 10 picks. Edmunds will be a stud, Allen hopefully has more than 0.5 seconds to throw, and will have someone who can catch the ball on the receiving end. I think realistically we need to wait another 1-3 years to see how this FO is doing. Not great for the impatient. I've been here longer than the entire drout. But I have a feeling this FO will get it done. Its a cop out to pretend this regime has no hand in the cap situation. How much cap did we commit to benjamin, Coleman and kerley (ignoring picks) for instance or could the dareus/Starr situation be handled differently? How they managed glenn or Tyrod/McCarron is in part on them too. You can’t just throw your hands up and give them a 3-5 year free pass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: When you can’t run the ball or throw the ball to open the run you lose. To me the biggest momentum swing was Allen’s pick which he will learn from. Take a sack or audible to a run and let the clock run out and call a TO to go into halftime down 3-13 instead of 0-16. That’s a 6 point swing that better QB understanding or coaching resolves and makes it a tighter game. Or just throw it out of bounds like anyone with half a brain would. That play was horrendously stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 48 minutes ago, Agent 91 said: I wish people would just uhhhhh understand a team this young is going to be less than stellar for AT LEAST this year. All the process crap aside. We need to let the youngsters mature! Relax For 20 years and counting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: I'm on board with that but only if we take a QB with the first overall pick. I like the guy out in Eugene, Oregon. I said the same thing earlier, lets take another QB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: Its a cop out to pretend this regime has no hand in the cap situation. How much cap did we commit to benjamin, Coleman and kerley (ignoring picks) for instance or could the dareus/Starr situation be handled differently? How they managed glenn or Tyrod/McCarron is in part on them too. You can’t just throw your hands up and give them a 3-5 year free pass. Agree with this. I am not worried about the ugly season I am more concerned by the lack of convincing personnel moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 51 minutes ago, Agent 91 said: I wish people would just uhhhhh understand a team this young is going to be less than stellar for AT LEAST this year. All the process crap aside. We need to let the youngsters mature! Relax Team is not that young. The QB is young. The rest of the team is above average in age, collectively . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: I'm on board with that but only if we take a QB with the first overall pick. I like the guy out in Eugene, Oregon. Can you take your nonsense elsewhere....it clutters the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Its a cop out to pretend this regime has no hand in the cap situation. How much cap did we commit to benjamin, Coleman and kerley (ignoring picks) for instance or could the dareus/Starr situation be handled differently? How they managed glenn or Tyrod/McCarron is in part on them too. You can’t just throw your hands up and give them a 3-5 year free pass So let's fire em all, am i right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: For 20 years and counting Dont make me kill myself. But I think we have to suck with youngsters to see a benefit later. I bu honestly question the notion that giving carte blanche to McDermott was the smartest thing to do. I am in the MAJOR minority that thinks that making the playoffs last year set us back. He bought himself time AND people are actually deeply in debted to him for breaking the slump. We need to shift from gratitude to demanding more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Team is not that young. The QB is young. The rest of the team is above average in age, collectively . Correct, but the key positions of QB, MLB, CB and LT (maybe even DT w Harry) are very young and that the core we’re building around. Another draft and FA with actual money and this team will look very different next year at this time, IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, zevo said: Can you take your nonsense elsewhere....it clutters the board Can you phuk off? Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: Asked this in the gameday thread, but I'll ask it again here for those who are completely outraged by the outcome this month... Q: How many of you predicted 0-4 to start the season? Corollary Q: If you predicted 0-4, why are you outraged at 1-3? no, i didn't bet 5k on the Packers -10. should i have? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Team is not that young. The QB is young. The rest of the team is above average in age, collectively . That's the real truth. I was basically referencing a nucleus. When I speak I mean Allen Edmund's Johnson, Jones... even Lewis. The real nucleus is young my brother 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Heitz said: Correct, but the key positions of QB, MLB, CB and LT (maybe even DT w Harry) are very young and that the core we’re building around. Another draft and FA with actual money and this team will look very different next year at this time, IMO... it might. not sure how good beane is yet at selected fa's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: I'm on board with that but only if we take a QB with the first overall pick. I like the guy out in Eugene, Oregon. oh god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, Foxx said: no, i didn't bet 5k on the Packers -10. should i have? Ask @BuffaloRush 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Joe, do you believe this is the best, wisest WR corps you can field to help your rookie QB? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Team is not that young. The QB is young. The rest of the team is above average in age, collectively . This is a misconception, the team is "old" by something like .25 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Joe, do you believe this is the best, wisest WR corps you can field to help your rookie QB? Seriously? No I don't. And I don't think it's their final answer at WR, either. If you do, then you're blinded by idiot-rage. I also understand there wasn't going to be significant effort put into the offense this year. You can disagree with that approach all you like, but it's their plan and I'm willing to give them 3 more years to have it all together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Virgil said: Getting beat and looking like you don’t have a clue on offense are a completely differently thing. This offense has shown no signs of hope for 3 out of 4 games it's okay. we will probably have 2 more quarters of suckitude next week before we play lights out for the following 6 quarters of football. we will still be 2-6 though, if that is any consolation. Edited September 30, 2018 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 A shutout. That’s the reason for disgust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, Gray Beard said: A shutout. That’s the reason for disgust. So it's all just about the lashing out. Catharsis because the feels are hurt. Got it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: This is a misconception, the team is "old" by something like .25 years you missed the point. The poster said they are young. They are not. All the teams have a similar age distributions due to the salary cap and rookie contract rules. trying to declare the bills at a disadvantage based on age is just wrong. McDermott has that as his go to excuse though. Edited September 30, 2018 by PlayoffsPlease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: No I don't. And I don't think it's their final answer at WR, either. If you do, then you're blinded by idiot-rage. I also understand there wasn't going to be significant effort put into the offense this year. You can disagree with that approach all you like, but it's their plan and I'm willing to give them 3 more years to have it all together. No. I'm talking about now. This year. To help his development. I'm not expecting wins. I know next year is a bigger push. That's obvious. But this is hurting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: But this is hurting him. is it? how do you know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, joesixpack said: So let's fire em all, am i right? Totally what I said. Clearly I am the over emotional one in this thread. that said, I’m not canning them just for the sake of making a move but I’d be open to some soft back channel conversations with an exceptional offensive minded head coach that likes allen, if one comes to be out there and available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Our next 4 games are the Titans, Texans, Colts and Patriots on MNF. I think 2-2 at least happens there, maybe better. Back half of the season is 5 home games. This season is going to consist of a lot of ebbing and flowing with some of the young guys at critical positions we have. This next game I think will be telling. Home against an average team. Looking at the schedule the path to the playoffs is there. 3-1 against the afc south, finish 3-1 against the nfc north, sweep the jets and dolphins. Its doable, but I need to see some consistent offense 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, joesixpack said: is it? how do you know this? Unless you think having no options is helping him it's implicit, and shone glaringly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, joesixpack said: So it's all just about the lashing out. Catharsis because the feels are hurt. Got it. Not at all. I don’t rank football as a major importance in my life. My point is that the game plan or execution or talent were so over matched that the offense wasn’t able to score, which is a disappointment. Are you upset at the word disgust? I didn’t want to say angry because I’m not. Perhaps we can decide on another word. Disappointed? Let down? Embarrassed? Flummoxed? Upset? Pick a word. Whatever works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: No. I'm talking about now. This year. To help his development. I'm not expecting wins. I know next year is a bigger push. That's obvious. But this is hurting him. Said this in another thread: I'd elevate teller, and the guy they just picked up. Bench Miller. Trade Benjamin for a bag of balls, and pick any street FA up you can. Then gameplannning-wise I'd have daboll focus on short quick underneath stuff with 2-3 15+ yard shots a game. And a WHOLE lot more running. Also, take the sheet away from Frasier and give it to McD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: This next game I think will be telling. Home against an average team. Looking at the schedule the path to the playoffs is there. 3-1 against the afc south, finish 3-1 against the nfc north, sweep the jets and dolphins. Its doable, but I need to see some consistent offense Me too. This is clearly a team discovering themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: Asked this in the gameday thread, but I'll ask it again here for those who are completely outraged by the outcome this month... Q: How many of you predicted 0-4 to start the season? Corollary Q: If you predicted 0-4, why are you outraged at 1-3? because when we predicted 0-4, we were resigned to being horrible. first pick in the draft horrible. then last week happened, our qb played like he had an iron will and was defiant. our defense played lights out. and we were given hope. hope is an awful, awful thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 23 minutes ago, joesixpack said: So let's fire em all, am i right? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Joe, do you believe this is the best, wisest WR corps you can field to help your rookie QB? Seriously? I know that if I was going to spend a 2, 3, 7 in picks and commit $14m in cap space this year I’d say Benjamin, zay, Coleman and kerley were an exceptional use of those resources. Edited September 30, 2018 by NoSaint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkirchofer Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Not necessarily outraged, but this start has made me question the ability of McDermott and Beane to properly evaluate talent. I also have no faith in the coaching staff to adapt their gameplan, which is going to get Allen hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: I know that if I was going to spend a 2, 3, 7 in picks and commit $14m in cap space this year I’d say Benjamin, zay, Coleman and kerley were an exceptional use of those resources. It's incredible. Everything we heard was we don't want to hurry him. They started Nate freaking Peterman and realized after one half that was nuts. Then out of nowhere they cut a veteran WR for a DT they don't play "because of numbers." Zay, Holmes and Foster are awful. KB is playing awful and uninspired. I've never seen anything like it. Even last week when we played well none of the WR did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Allen is fine, he looks like a rookie QB should look, up and down, the real issue is all the veterans on the oline and at all the skill positions, they should be better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 23 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Totally what I said. Clearly I am the over emotional one in this thread. that said, I’m not canning them just for the sake of making a move but I’d be open to some soft back channel conversations with an exceptional offensive minded head coach that likes allen, if one comes to be out there and available Hmmmm... have someone in mind NoSaint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Totally what I said. Clearly I am the over emotional one in this thread. that said, I’m not canning them just for the sake of making a move but I’d be open to some soft back channel conversations with an exceptional offensive minded head coach that likes allen, if one comes to be out there and available You also have a crappy QB coach who is a WR coach. No veteran backup like a Luke McCown that Josh can get in game advice from. He's going to get real time knowledge from Nate? (I'm talking experience here). As well as an OC who has never developed a QB. And a HC who knows nothing of offense. So let's not give him WR or an OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Josh Allen 16-33 151 yards 2 int Josh Rosen 7-15 54 yards (so far) Sam Darnold 17-34 yards 1 td Baker Mayfield 14-24 yards 2 tds 1 int Not much difference between them, Allen did have the worst game but also had the least time to throw and was under the most pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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