Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I’ve said it many times. Stats lie. Basically what you are stating they dont often tell the right story. You're right. The decent stats lie. That's my point. Some of these new analytic stats, which aren't even stats, are way worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Who caught the only TD today? I don't mean to poo poo Zay, who has looked pretty solid the past couple weeks, but to be clear, 2.4 yards ranks him 112th out of 131 WR/TEs. Having said that, his true catch rate (catches/catchable targets) is 81.2% this year, which off the top of my head (I can confirm this in the morning), I believe is roughly 24% higher than it was last year. He was pretty much the worst in the NFL last year, whereas 81.2% ranks him 58th in the league so far this season. Edit: For those that are curious, Charles Clay ranks 40th in the league at 3.3 yards of separation and 2 of the 19 WR/TEs that are worse than Zay are his own teammates. Edited October 15, 2018 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 56 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: This thread will live until the OP makes the correction. Ill keep posting the stats as a weekly reminder. He went 3 for 35 with a TD. Is that supposed to be a breakout game or something? I will give Zay some credit as I think it was his best game as a bill and he showed a little progress. But 3 for 35 for a TD shouldn’t be a WR2s best game 21 games into his career... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: He went 3 for 35 with a TD. Is that supposed to be a breakout game or something? I will give Zay some credit as I think it was his best game as a bill and he showed a little progress. But 3 for 35 for a TD shouldn’t be a WR2s best game 21 games into his career... You forgot the drop that would have been a first down. Zay is playing better. Not well but better. Let's hope it continues. It's still not good. The TD was a nice double move and he caught it clean. To show you how bad he is, everyone of the ten people close to me were worried that when they showed the replay he might have bobbled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: He went 3 for 35 with a TD. Is that supposed to be a breakout game or something? I will give Zay some credit as I think it was his best game as a bill and he showed a little progress. But 3 for 35 for a TD shouldn’t be a WR2s best game 21 games into his career... Today was TODAY. He seems to be making progress despite a terrible situation on offense. I pray he will be part of the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: You forgot the drop that would have been a first down. Zay is playing better. Not well but better. Let's hope it continues. It's still not good. The TD was a nice double move and he caught it clean. To show you how bad he is, everyone of the ten people close to me were worried that when they showed the replay he might have bobbled it. Perfectly said and haha so true. I still didn’t believe he caught it until hauschka was kicking that extra point lol 1 minute ago, Augie said: Today was TODAY. He seems to be making progress despite a terrible situation on offense. I pray he will be part of the solution. Agreed that he played a BIT better today. But I am just saying I think we should pump the breaks on Zay Jones “breakout” game. At the end of the day he went 3 for 35, dropped a key third down, and still struggled to get separation on most plays. But he did come up with his biggest catch as a Bill to date so let’s hope that continues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I’m not ready to give up on zay...sometimes it take a few years to develop at the wr position...look at moulds...dude was shaping up to be a giant bust....then became a top 5 wr in the league 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, zevo said: I’m not ready to give up on zay...sometimes it take a few years to develop at the wr position...look at moulds...dude was shaping up to be a giant bust....then became a top 5 wr in the league That is just not true at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: That is just not true at all. Why not? I remember TO having games of one drop after another. A lot happens between them ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: That is just not true at all. The top 5 WR part? Because he was definitely going toward bust territory. His first two years we very uneventful for a player picked in the first round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, Augie said: Why not? I remember TO having games of one drop after another. A lot happens between them ears. He wasn't awful early. Marv had a policy of not playing (and hating) rookies at that time because he thought they made mistakes. Nothing to do with Moulds it was all rookies. He wasn't playing a lot because Marv wouldn't play him more than he was bad or may have been a bust. So his stats suffered. We also signed a FA WR Quinn Early, who immediately was awful, and Marv still wouldn't play Moulds because he was a rookie. If levy didn't have that ridiculous prejudice, which other but not most coaches had, Moulds would have played a lot more in his first two years and produced more and people wouldn't think that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: He wasn't awful early. Marv had a policy of not playing (and hating) rookies at that time because he thought they made mistakes. Nothing to do with Moulds it was all rookies. He wasn't playing a lot because Marv wouldn't play him more than he was bad or may have been a bust. So his stats suffered. We also signed a FA WR Quinn Early, who immediately was awful, and Marv still wouldn't play Moulds because he was a rookie. If levy didn't have that ridiculous prejudice, which other but not most coaches had, Moulds would have played a lot more in his first two years and produced more and people wouldn't think that. Never mind, on different brain waves there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Augie said: Never mind, on different brain waves there.... I'm a little touchy on the Moulds sucked early idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I'm a little touchy on the Moulds sucked early idea. I will try not to touch you in any inappropriate way. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, Augie said: I will try not to touch you in any inappropriate way. ? Different people have different concepts of inappropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Different people have different concepts of inappropriate. I will impose my own 50 foot barrier. That just seems wise..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: He wasn't awful early. Marv had a policy of not playing (and hating) rookies at that time because he thought they made mistakes. Nothing to do with Moulds it was all rookies. He wasn't playing a lot because Marv wouldn't play him more than he was bad or may have been a bust. So his stats suffered. We also signed a FA WR Quinn Early, who immediately was awful, and Marv still wouldn't play Moulds because he was a rookie. If levy didn't have that ridiculous prejudice, which other but not most coaches had, Moulds would have played a lot more in his first two years and produced more and people wouldn't think that. I don't know. I recall Thurman starting his rookie year, same with Ruben Brown. Shane Conlan and Nate Odomes started most of their rookie years too. Eric also started some games, but he didn't have the impact of those others early on. Doesn't matter anyway the light finally came all the way on and he was a beastly player. Zay is not that type of size/speed freak, but the light can come on for him too. Corey Davis in Tennessee looks more himself this year than last year. WR is hard to play in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Bed time. GO ZAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: He wasn't awful early. Marv had a policy of not playing (and hating) rookies at that time because he thought they made mistakes. Nothing to do with Moulds it was all rookies. He wasn't playing a lot because Marv wouldn't play him more than he was bad or may have been a bust. So his stats suffered. We also signed a FA WR Quinn Early, who immediately was awful, and Marv still wouldn't play Moulds because he was a rookie. If levy didn't have that ridiculous prejudice, which other but not most coaches had, Moulds would have played a lot more in his first two years and produced more and people wouldn't think that. E Moulds also was great as a returner in the chances he did get on the field. I agree completely that he was never going to be a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 9 hours ago, billsfan11 said: He went 3 for 35 with a TD. Is that supposed to be a breakout game or something? I will give Zay some credit as I think it was his best game as a bill and he showed a little progress. But 3 for 35 for a TD shouldn’t be a WR2s best game 21 games into his career... What you are missing is the OP. Biggest bust. As of YESTERDAY NAME REC TAR YDS AVG TD LONG 20+ YDS/G YAC 1DN Zay Jones 16 29 199 12.4 1 57 1 33.2 18 9 Kelvin Benjamin 10 32 146 14.6 1 39 2 24.3 14 6 Charles Clay 13 20 119 9.2 0 21 1 19.8 46 8 Chris Ivory 5 7 104 20.8 0 55 2 17.3 105 4 LeSean McCoy 13 21 85 6.5 0 22 1 17 104 2 Jason Croom 8 11 73 9.1 1 26 1 12.2 36 3 Andre Holmes 7 16 71 10.1 0 22 2 11.8 25 3 9 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: You forgot the drop that would have been a first down. Zay is playing better. Not well but better. Let's hope it continues. It's still not good. The TD was a nice double move and he caught it clean. To show you how bad he is, everyone of the ten people close to me were worried that when they showed the replay he might have bobbled it. Compared to last season, much better 7 hours ago, purple haze said: I don't know. I recall Thurman starting his rookie year, same with Ruben Brown. Shane Conlan and Nate Odomes started most of their rookie years too. Eric also started some games, but he didn't have the impact of those others early on. Doesn't matter anyway the light finally came all the way on and he was a beastly player. Zay is not that type of size/speed freak, but the light can come on for him too. Corey Davis in Tennessee looks more himself this year than last year. WR is hard to play in the NFL. Didn't Jim Kelly play on his "rookie year"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 @BringBackOrton Care to make an update on the OP? (there are a lot of BringBack-Players name here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: @BringBackOrton Care to make an update on the OP? (there are a lot of BringBack-Players name here) 3 catches for 35 yards and a tuddy. Antonio Brown-esque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: 3 catches for 35 yards and a tuddy. Antonio Brown-esque Leading WR on the team. Still say he's the biggest bust? You can do better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Leading WR on the team. Still say he's the biggest bust? You can do better Which other 35 yard recievers do you want to give a shout out to ? Chris Hogan ? Every other wr on every other team ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Leading WR on the team. Still say he's the biggest bust? You can do better The tallest midget still can’t get to the cookie jar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Does Zay have more drops than catches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 He looks like it maybe starting to click for him. That would be a huge plus for 2019 . I wonder if he would do better inside in the slot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRHater69 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I have a much longer living memory so unless you want to compare him to say Perry Tuttle, he's not a bust yet at all. He seems to be playing better and the drops are far less frequent than last year. Based on his draft status, you could say Watkins was a bigger bust. I do have to say though that I was expecting a lot more from him even in his rookie year given his college stats. I hope he can keep developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Zay looked slick on the TD yesterday. His rookie year was a mess as he had shoulder injury all year then hurt knee in night game versus Jets. He has already exceeded Moulds TD total in first two years, and is about equal in catches and yards therefore YPC too. He is not as bad as this board perceives and we can only hope his career tracks like Moulds' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 4 hours ago, COTC said: Does Zay have more drops than catches? No But I’m 99.9% sure KB does 4 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: The tallest midget still can’t get to the cookie jar. So you go hungry for cookies ? I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 7 hours ago, freddyjj said: Zay looked slick on the TD yesterday. His rookie year was a mess as he had shoulder injury all year then hurt knee in night game versus Jets. He has already exceeded Moulds TD total in first two years, and is about equal in catches and yards therefore YPC too. He is not as bad as this board perceives and we can only hope his career tracks like Moulds' I’m always saying I like to see progress and that we have seen. Well some one of us will admit we’ve seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 catches, 5 "targets" still leading the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) With 6 catches for 55 yards, Zay Jones is the Bills leading receiver in catches, YPG and 1st downs. 25 catches on 42 targets, 281 yards, 13 IDN and 1 TD (by Nate). Edited October 30, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaywrizzo Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 On 9/23/2018 at 9:18 PM, BringBackOrton said: Could anyone be more invisible out there? Yeah, Benjamin is in self-preservation mode and going half speed on half of his plays, but Zay is trying his best. That’s horrific. There is 0.0 chance this guy makes it out of TC next year. We took him over JuJu. Damn. I’d rather have TJ Graham. Sooo....you write this, on a night where he actually had a decent game? Sounds like you just wanted to write this! Yes....I rather have JuJu...but what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Jaywrizzo said: Sooo....you write this, on a night where he actually had a decent game? Sounds like you just wanted to write this! Yes....I rather have JuJu...but what's the point? He actually wrote that on 9/23/2018 (my BD) but yeah he still calls him a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Zay has gone from lousy to below average. He still has a chance to become decent if not good. But he is not good now. He's okay when he is good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaywrizzo Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: He actually wrote that on 9/23/2018 (my BD) but yeah he still calls him a bust. Ok...I didn't see the Date. At that time, I probably felt the same way. Edited October 30, 2018 by Jaywrizzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Here’s hoping the same thing happens with the process and Allen are busts threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Yes this needs a bump 8 passes for 98 yards and a TD 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 On 10/30/2018 at 8:14 PM, Success said: Here’s hoping the same thing happens with the process and Allen are busts threads. Shaq is a bust too, don’t forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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