The NFL Can't Seem to Figure Out Roughing the Passer Calls - No Changes This Season Regarding Body Weight on QBs

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[clayboy54]

Riveron would make a heluva Supreme Court Justice!

[Matt_In_NH]

Just give the QB's red jerseys and be done with it.

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Competition Committee members uncomfortable with some roughing the passer calls

 

The roughing the passer calls that have roiled the NFL this season aren't making the Competition Committee happy either.

 

Several members of the committee, which made the rule a point of emphasis in the spring by pinpointing that they did not want defenders to land with their weight on the quarterback, are uncomfortable with the calls so far, particularly the controversial call against the Packers' Clay Matthews after a hit on Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins, according to a person with knowledge of the committee's thinking. That call negated what would have been a game-sealing interception, essentially costing the Packers a victory in a game that ended in a tie. The league defended the call.

 

The Competition Committee has a regularly-scheduled conference call next week. But members of the committee are unsure if anything will change with the rule emphasis or the way it is being officiated this season. That may depend on what Commissioner Roger Goodell thinks. Complicating the decision: The league could be reluctant to pull back on a rule with its base in player safety.

[TigerJ]

After Sunday's game, Adam Gase blamed the emphasis of roughing the passer calls for the torn ACL a defensive lineman suffered by trying to shift his trajectory in order to avoid a penalty.  I suspect it's going to get worse before it gets better.

[Lurker]

Last night was terrible as well.   Every time a QB got sacked, I was looking for the yellow flag.   And about half the time, there it was even though it was a typical football hit.

 

That can't be what the competition committee intended, so there has to be some in-season adjustment or the game as we know it will take another hit (as will ratings)...

[Coach Tuesday]

4 minutes ago, Lurker said:

Last night was terrible as well.   Every time a QB got sacked, I was looking for the yellow flag.   And about half the time, there it was even though it was a typical football hit.

 

That can't be what the competition committee intended, so there has to be some in-season adjustment or the game as we know it will take another hit (as will ratings)...

 

Last night was terrible because there was a flag on almost every single play - the games are becoming unwatchable, but the tone-deaf league refuses to adjust.

[Boatdrinks]

The league will quietly see to it that the calls are made with more common sense going forward, a la the “ catch rule” in last years playoffs and Super Bowl. Watch the sound fx version of SB with Steratore mic’d up and it’s obvious this was happening. Then they changed the rule to suit this new interpretation after the fact. They’ll change it; just won’t admit they were wrong. 

[Clyde Smith]

2 hours ago, Lurker said:

Last night was terrible as well.   Every time a QB got sacked, I was looking for the yellow flag.   And about half the time, there it was even though it was a typical football hit.

 

That can't be what the competition committee intended, so there has to be some in-season adjustment or the game as we know it will take another hit (as will ratings)...

I witnessed one flag last night when one of the Bucs defenders tapped Ben on his helmet and was flagged! These rules change are out of hand.

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Agreed.

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said:

I witnessed one flag last night when one of the Bucs defenders tapped Ben on his helmet and was flagged! These rules change are out of hand.

And IIRC Big Ben went full World Cup mode and played up the impact of the hand that grazed his helmet. Gross.

[pkwwjd]

On the other hand (and other rule), there were several non-calls on "lowering the helmet" that could/should have been called last night (mainly on the Steelers). If there was a place to eject someone ... LB Bostic could/should have been for his helmet hit on Fitz when Fitz slid early on. He was flagged for a late hit, but IIRC there was no mention of lowering the helmet. Late hit + helmet targetting head should equal ejection. Pittsburgh doesn't win last night without the plays that Bostic made later on.

 

NFL can't figure out a lot of its new rules.

[dezertbill]

Competition Committee Uncomfortable with Roughing Calls.  Meeting set for next week to discuss.

[Clyde Smith]

1 hour ago, Commonsense said:

And IIRC Big Ben went full World Cup mode and played up the impact of the hand that grazed his helmet. Gross.

Very gross! Changes need to be made, fans are tired seeing flags every time a player gets a love tap.

[Doc Brown]

14 hours ago, dezertbill said:

Pereira goes on to say a majority of the competition committee (6 our of 8 ) feel that the Matthews hit WAS NOT an infraction.

The other two suffer from CTE.

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[mannc]

The problem is not the new rules; the problem is the refs blowing calls.  The Matthews sack, like the 3d White unnecessary roughness penalty, were just flat-out awful calls.  Both hits were entirely legal under the current rules.

[Jukester]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Last night was terrible because there was a flag on almost every single play - the games are becoming unwatchable, but the tone-deaf league refuses to adjust.

 

And then it’s not consistent at all. In the same  game a Tampa receiver (#12 i think it was) fumbles the ball when the defender hit the ball directly with the helmet, which is fine in itself. But replays clearly showed the defender led with his helmet, made contact with the receivers helmet/face mask first then the ball.  No call - Pittsburgh ball. Contrast this with the ridiculous call on Tre White for deenseless receiver on a sure clean tackle. The NFL rules committee are a bunch of morons. 

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

The problem is not the new rules; the problem is the refs blowing calls.  The Matthews sack, like the 3d White unnecessary roughness penalty, were just flat-out awful calls.  Both hits were entirely legal under the current rules.

 

It’s a combination of both. 

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[Scott7975]

Hughes will probably  be the first one flagged Sunday for sacking the QB.

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[starrymessenger]

To me this new rule is a case of the refs piling on. To be fair to defenders given what they are asked to do, and to not alter for the worse a fundamental feature of the game itself as it is best played, the mere fact that a player sacking the QB lands on him with his full weight should not be penalized. The exception of course is where a hit can reasonably be considered late - Anthony Barr vs A. Rodgers. Often these will be judgement calls or no calls based on whether the ref feels the defender could or could not reasonably have held up his progress towards the QB.

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[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...even 6 out of 8 on the Competition Rules Committee said the interpretation of the rule is NOT within the intended spirit......"unnecessarily weight on the QB" is an asinine split second judgment test to eliminate "pile driving".....cede the point......but Matthews was "pile driving"?....seriously?.....yet the azzclown extraordinaire Al Riveron immediately released a statement that it was the "correct call" despite every damn commentator on the planet saying " no way"....BUT....Al knows best........Bundy.....

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Carr wishes Hayes landed on him instead of tearing ACL

 

The NFL's desire to eliminate defensive players from intentionally placing body weight on a quarterback, an act designed to protect signal-callers around the league, has been covered in length inrecent days at NFL.com.

 

Week 3, however, provided an example of the flip side to the equation.

 

Miami Dolphins defensive end Williams Hayes was fully aware of the league's emphasis on the rule when he sacked Oakland Raiders Derek Carr in the second quarter. Hayes appeared to kick out his right leg to prevent landing on Carr, but the motion resulted in Hayes tearing an ACL.

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Edited September 27, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

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[Soda Popinski]

What do we want?

 

Less injuries to the QB

 

When do we want them?

 

Now

 

how do we get there?

 

Pussify the sport!!!

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[Boatdrinks]

10 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

What a load of garbage this segment was. J Murphy and Blandino both said that fans don’t mind the rule ( or the previous catch rule) , they just want to know exactly what it is. This is complete bunk. Smart fans absolutely despise the rule, because they know it is nonsensical and unenforceable without destroying the game. There are already rules on the books about roughing the passer and/ or bodyslamming players. Fans understand that. Sacking a QB almost always requires the players body weight to fall on the QB. Players can’t simply arm tackle most QB’s. Blandino and Murphy are stunningly out of touch if they feel fans were ok with these rules. 

[MJS]

I guess defenders just shouldn't go to the ground with the QB. Try to stay up while hitting them and knocking them down. Or twist around and have them land on you, I suppose. Or, just play the ball and ignore the QB altogether. Attack the arm holding the ball and forget about taking the QB down.

 

Can't go high, can't go low, and now you can't land on them.

 

I can see why it's tough, but all you can do is adapt.

11 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

 

The video makes a lot of sense, but I foresee a lot of problems with officiating crews interpreting those hits correctly in real time. This call needs to be reviawable so officials can determine whether or not they have called it correctly in real time.

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Here's how the NFL can solve its quarterback protection mess

 

New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton was on to something earlier this week. Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, he previewed the likeliest solution to the NFL's quarterback protection fiasco.

 

The rule itself does not need to be changed, said Payton, who is a member of the NFL's competition committee. What the NFL wants and needs, he said, was for defenders to avoid "intentionally" falling on quarterbacks with all or most of their body weight.

 

"Listen," Payton added. "I think it's more about the consistency from crew to crew, and the message from crew to crew to get that on the same page. And that's with any new rule, but that's the biggest challenge."

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[billsfan89]

On 9/28/2018 at 1:11 AM, MJS said:

The video makes a lot of sense, but I foresee a lot of problems with officiating crews interpreting those hits correctly in real time. This call needs to be reviawable so officials can determine whether or not they have called it correctly in real time.

 

The video doesn't make sense because the game is played at speed and these defenders can't make these adjustments in matter of well below a second. At this point you should just make hitting the QB illegal because these new rules are just an insane over correction.