2018 Nathan Peterman = 2013 Jeff Tuel

[Freddie's Dead]

Tuel was doing fine, then one play essentially ended his career.

[Scott7975]

Tuel was better. I think EJ is one of the worst and I think EJ is even better

[Fadingpain]

If this makes Allen "the guy" all season long, and much sooner than the coaching staff would otherwise have played him, this is indeed a blessing.

Means we won't waste time sizing up what we have with him.  If he doesn't look like he has it, I don't want to waste any more time than is necessary with him, especially if we end up with a top 3 draft pick.

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Trent Edwards is better than Nate Peterman

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Trent Edwards is better than Nate Peterman

Trent was substantially better and may still be now, and Trent stinks. 

[Kirby Jackson]

Jeff Tuel is WAY better than Peterman

[Bing Bong]

Y'all know I've been saying this since the Chargers game with total conviction

[Beast]

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

Tuel played better than that. He lit the Chiefs up when they came in at 8-0 and they should have won that game. I was there watching it. Yeah he made some bad plays but still...way more than what Peterman did.

 

Tuel had a 52 QB rating that game. He was very mediocre and didn’t light **** up.

 

But, compared to Peterman, he looked like Johnny U.

Edited September 10, 2018 by Binghamton Beast

[Bing Bong]

 

Except that the fans loved Tuel, the FO was smart enough  not to care at least. We saw the FO and fans pull behind Peterman.

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Tuel had a 52 QB rating that game. He was very mediocre and didn’t light **** up.

 

But, compared to Peterman, he looked like Johnny U.

He threw a bomb to Goodwin for a TD on the first series I believe and we moved the ball well. Yeah he had a terrible INT on the goal line that was returmed for a TD that basically lost the game and then another one that really wasn't his fault down near our endzone but overall he did enough that we should have won that game.

[Beast]

1 minute ago, matter2003 said:

He threw a bomb to Goodwin for a TD on the first series I believe and we moved the ball well. Yeah he had a terrible INT on the goal line that was returmed for a TD that basically lost the game and then another one that really wasn't his fault down near our endzone but overall he did enough that we should have won that game.

 

Right.

 

That was the game when the Bills RB fumbled on his way into the end zone, wasn’t it?

 

Who was that RB?

[Kelly the Dog]

23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Jeff Tuel is WAY better than Peterman

Yep. And JT didn't really belong in the league either. 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

Yep. And JT didn't really belong in the league either. 

I’m trying to figure out when it’s acceptable to ask all of the Petermaniacs for an apology? We said that he sucked and took heat. He sucks. Is anyone going to be bold enough to own it and admit that he is trash?

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Right.

 

That was the game when the Bills RB fumbled on his way into the end zone, wasn’t it?

 

Who was that RB?

No I think that was the next year...Bryce Brown...that was when Watkins literally just let his man go instead of block him and the dude ran over and stripped the ball as he was running into the EZ at the 1 yard line

 

I was at both of those KC games in back to back years and it was the same thing both times...we kicked the crap out of them they got some BS turnovers just as we were about to score and they literally did nothing on offense but ended up winning the game...

 

 

Edited September 10, 2018 by matter2003

[bills11]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m trying to figure out when it’s acceptable to ask all of the Petermaniacs for an apology? We said that he sucked and took heat. He sucks. Is anyone going to be bold enough to own it and admit that he is trash?

Some of them will never do that. Another thread earlier the biggest Peterman  fanatic insisted 0% of the game was Peterman fault and Allen is a bust ?

[Buffalo Ballin]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m trying to figure out when it’s acceptable to ask all of the Petermaniacs for an apology? We said that he sucked and took heat. He sucks. Is anyone going to be bold enough to own it and admit that he is trash?

 I am. I already wrote that I was wrong. I figure you chose to ignore that. No, I'm not apologizing though. I don't see the need. Nate was good in training camp AND pre-season. Josh Allen didn't beat him. I need to see 2 more games before I officially pull the plug on Nate.  Even EJ Manuel got more games with me before I ditched him for good. Once I withdraw my support, there's no going back for me. I see how some posters here wanting Fitzpatrick back here; got to be kidding.

 

Just like how I pulled the plug on Fitz, JP Losman, Drew Bledsoe, Trent Edwards, Jeff Tuel, EJ Manuel, and Tyrod, it's permanent. I couldn't care less about Fitz's 400 yards today. He'll go back to being Fitz again. He'll put up ok numbers, but can't lead a team to serious victories in the playoffs. He'll choke. Throw picks. Just like how he showed in Buffalo.

 

No, no apology. You took heat? It definitely wasn't from me.

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m trying to figure out when it’s acceptable to ask all of the Petermaniacs for an apology? We said that he sucked and took heat. He sucks. Is anyone going to be bold enough to own it and admit that he is trash?

What I can't figure out is how so many people think he can or has done things he really doesn't do. 

 

The arm issue, which is huge, is only one of 4-5 glaring deficiencies. 

 

I said here in the spring that Peterman is not even going to make the team. I was ultimately dead wrong about that (even though he shouldn't have). But in the same breath, before OTAs even started, said my biggest fear was he would wow the coaches and fans in practice and preseason because he does certain things well that CAN succeed in practice and preseason but not when real bullets fly. 

 

That's exactly what happened. And I'm not always right at all. I made other predictions that didn't come true. But that was OBVIOUS to me. And it's scary to think McD didn't see it. 

[Nuncha]

2 hours ago, dgrochester55 said:

 

Peterman may be worse than any QB I remember on the Bills, and that includes Ferragamo and Mathison.

Joe Dufek  and Matt Kofler too.  Hell, Brian Brohm, Gibrian Hamdan and Joe Webb were better.

Edited September 10, 2018 by Azucho98

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

What I can't figure out is how so many people think he can or has done things he really doesn't do. 

 

The arm issue, which is huge, is only one of 4-5 glaring deficiencies. 

 

I said here in the spring that Peterman is not even going to make the team. I was ultimately dead wrong about that (even though he shouldn't have). But in the same breath, before OTAs even started, said my biggest fear was he would wow the coaches and fans in practice and preseason because he does certain things well that CAN succeed in practice and preseason but not when real bullets fly. 

 

That's exactly what happened. And I'm not always right at all. I made other predictions that didn't come true. But that was OBVIOUS to me. And it's scary to think McD didn't see it. 

@GunnerBill was right. He did a ton of work and provided an honest (but unpopular) opinion. He was 100% right (as usual).

10 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

 I am. I already wrote that I was wrong. I figure you chose to ignore that. No, I'm not apologizing though. I don't see the need. Nate was good in training camp AND pre-season. Josh Allen didn't beat him. I need to see 2 more games before I officially pull the plug on Nate.  Even EJ Manuel got more games with me before I ditched him for good. Once I withdraw my support, there's no going back for me. I see how some posters here wanting Fitzpatrick back here; got to be kidding.

 

Just like how I pulled the plug on Fitz, JP Losman, Drew Bledsoe, Trent Edwards, Jeff Tuel, EJ Manuel, and Tyrod, it's permanent. I couldn't care less about Fitz's 400 yards today. He'll go back to being Fitz again. He'll put up ok numbers, but can't lead a team to serious victories in the playoffs. He'll choke. Throw picks. Just like how he showed in Buffalo.

 

No, no apology. You took heat? It definitely wasn't from me.

 

 

I don’t need to see more. That’s the difference. I didn’t need to see this. I already knew he sucked. I’m not sure he will see another chance. When you come around though you can come join us. The water is warm!!

[Buffalo Ballin]

6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

What I can't figure out is how so many people think he can or has done things he really doesn't do. 

 

The arm issue, which is huge, is only one of 4-5 glaring deficiencies. 

 

I said here in the spring that Peterman is not even going to make the team. I was ultimately dead wrong about that (even though he shouldn't have). But in the same breath, before OTAs even started, said my biggest fear was he would wow the coaches and fans in practice and preseason because he does certain things well that CAN succeed in practice and preseason but not when real bullets fly. 

 

That's exactly what happened. And I'm not always right at all. I made other predictions that didn't come true. But that was OBVIOUS to me. And it's scary to think McD didn't see it. 

 

See? That's the thing. I can be fooled. Anyone can. If I saw someone performing extremely well in practice and team scrimmages consistently and then play well in practice games, I see that the player is probably good. The competing QBs are not beating him.

That's why they play the real games to truly see. It's just one game and yes, Peterman sucked bad. But again, I need to see 2 more starts before I say bye bye to Nate. I predicted that Nate is going to start all 16 games. That doesn't look like it's gonna happen unless he turns it around. And he's only getting 2 more games from me. I don't know if he's getting 2 more starts.

 

That's a good enough sample size for me to jump ship.

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

 

See? That's the thing. I can be fooled. Anyone can. If I saw someone performing extremely well in practice and team scrimmages consistently and then play well in practice games, I see that the player is probably good. The competing QBs are not beating him.

That's why they play the real games to truly see. It's just one game and yes, Peterman sucked bad. But again, I need to see 2 more starts before I say bye bye to Nate. I predicted that Nate is going to start all 16 games. That doesn't look like it's gonna happen unless he turns it around. And he's only getting 2 more games from me. I don't know if he's getting 2 more starts.

 

That's a good enough sample size for me to jump ship.

No. That's not true. Practices and preseason is three quarters speed. If the ball is getting to the WR on out patterns and barely completed or near interceptions at three quarters speed, it's pretty easy to extrapolate those passes are incomplete or INTs at real speed. It's the same reason he was a #5 pick. 

[McBean]

Remember that time we took Nate Peterman over Chad Kelly? Good times.

[GG]

No, Peterman is the 2010 Trent Edwards, and the end result should be the same. 

 

He looked good in preseason, but Gailey quickly realized that he didn't belong in the NFL at all. 

 

Beane needs to admit the obvious.  

[NoSaint]

9 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

No. That's not true. Practices and preseason is three quarters speed. If the ball is getting to the WR on out patterns and barely completed or near interceptions at three quarters speed, it's pretty easy to extrapolate those passes are incomplete or INTs at real speed. It's the same reason he was a #5 pick. 

 

Yup. It’s the old stat line vs skill set debate. Which shouldn’t exist in preseason. People posting his completion percentage and not talking about his accuracy, or zip or... totally missed the boat. Even the 5 int crowd, albeit right, many didn’t discuss his actual play.

 

 On paper in the preseason it was roses and ice cream but if you were watching the play and thought “wow, that guys got what it takes” you just aren’t watching enough good QBs. I suspect the issue is in part that it’s been 20 years since we’ve had a good benchmark in house to use. There’s just stuff you have to do as an nfl qb that he can’t.

Edited September 10, 2018 by NoSaint

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

No, Peterman is the 2010 Trent Edwards, and the end result should be the same. 

 

He looked good in preseason, but Gailey quickly realized that he didn't belong in the NFL at all. 

 

Beane needs to admit the obvious.  

That's exactly right. I said the same analogy earlier. I was hoping Nate would prove me wrong and show elements of his game I feared he lacked. But all of them were clear here. 

 

He's Tasker to me. Love the guy. Hate him as an announcer. Shouldn't be doing this job at this level. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

11 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

No. That's not true. Practices and preseason is three quarters speed. If the ball is getting to the WR on out patterns and barely completed or near interceptions at three quarters speed, it's pretty easy to extrapolate those passes are incomplete or INTs at real speed. It's the same reason he was a #5 pick. 

 

Ok. Josh Allen did NOT beat Nate Peterman in training camp and pre-season. McDermott didn't care about three quarters speed stuff. They know more about football than me and seen more compared to me and you. That's why they get paid the big bucks. Not me. Not you.

 

I like rooting for the underdog. Nate was the underdog. I like to see the underdog succeed. Doesn't look like it's gonna happen here. We'll see next week if Peterman gets another start.

Edited September 10, 2018 by Buffalo Ballin

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

 

Yup. It’s the old stat line vs skill set debate. Which shouldn’t exist in preseason. People posting his completion percentage and not talking about his accuracy, or zip or... totally missed the boat.

 

 On paper in the preseason it was roses and ice cream but if you were watching the play and thought “wow, that guys got what it takes” you just aren’t watching enough good QBs. I suspect the issue is in part that it’s been 20 years since we’ve had a good benchmark in house to use. There’s just stuff you have to do as an nfl qb that he can’t.

Agree with all of that. I would add that people were so frustrated with Tyrod not getting the ball out quick they WAY overvalued Nate able to do that and for some reason just ignored that he had other glaring weaknesses. Combined with thinking that his great stats and moving the chains in the preseason equated to a huge improvement in his game when all it really did was show stuff we already knew and didn't ever show stuff we should have been worrying about.  

[Bing Bong]

47 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m trying to figure out when it’s acceptable to ask all of the Petermaniacs for an apology? We said that he sucked and took heat. He sucks. Is anyone going to be bold enough to own it and admit that he is trash?

Nope we're not Bills fans Kirby. BECAUSE WE AREN'T SUPPORTING OUR STARTER DAMNIT.

[GG]

Just now, Buffalo Ballin said:

 

Ok. Josh Allen did NOT beat Nate Peterman in training camp and pre-season. McDermott didn't care about three quarters speed stuff. They know more about football than me and seen more compared to me and you. That's why they get paid the big bucks. Not me. Not you.

 

I like rooting for the underdog. Nate was the underdog. I like to see the underdog succeed.

 

Everybody loves the underdog.

 

Unless that underdog is not talented enough to play in the NFL and also happens to play for your favorite team.

 

Enough with the charade.  Peterman doesn’t deserve to wear an NFL uniform during the regular season.

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

 

Ok. Josh Allen did NOT beat Nate Peterman in training camp and pre-season. McDermott didn't care about three quarters speed stuff. They know more about football than me and seen more compared to me and you. That's why they get paid the big bucks. Not me. Not you.

 

I like rooting for the underdog. Nate was the underdog. I like to see the underdog succeed. Doesn't look like it's gonna happen here. We'll see next week if Peterman gets another start.

Actually he did beat out Peterman in preseason. You and most others and McD just didn't see it. Allen showed he could allow the entire play book. Nate showed he could allow half. Allen showed he could throw short, medium and long, left, right and middle. Nate didn't show half of that, he just excelled at the half he could do. Allen was much better runner and scrambler and throwing into tight windows. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Tuel is insulted!

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Everybody loves the underdog.

 

Unless that underdog is not talented enough to play in the NFL and also happens to play for your favorite team.

 

Enough with the charade.  Peterman doesn’t deserve to wear an NFL uniform during the regular season.

Allen's a great underdog though he got no offers for college starting out and even now is constantly dumped on by people obsessed with his completion percentage.

[Buffalo Ballin]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Everybody loves the underdog.

 

Unless that underdog is not talented enough to play in the NFL and also happens to play for your favorite team.

 

Enough with the charade.  Peterman doesn’t deserve to wear an NFL uniform during the regular season.

 

Whoa. Slow your roll. Nate was drafted. Yes, drafted. He is talented to play in the NFL. To be a franchise superstar QB though? No. To be a starter? No. Looks like I'm wrong about that, too. It's up to Nate though. Not to me. I'm not the QB of the Buffalo Bills.

[NoSaint]

8 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Agree with all of that. I would add that people were so frustrated with Tyrod not getting the ball out quick they WAY overvalued Nate able to do that and for some reason just ignored that he had other glaring weaknesses. Combined with thinking that his great stats and moving the chains in the preseason equated to a huge improvement in his game when all it really did was show stuff we already knew and didn't ever show stuff we should have been worrying about.  

 

It’s a common thing here to put the last guys fatal flaw as the top priority for the next guy regardless of what else is in his overall skill set. I don’t mean that as a big knock on fans- we’ve even had GMs do it (see hardy, James or Maybin, aaron).

 

its easy and natural to do. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Actually he did beat out Peterman in preseason. You and most others and McD just didn't see it. Allen showed he could allow the entire play book. Nate showed he could allow half. Allen showed he could throw short, medium and long, left, right and middle. Nate didn't show half of that, he just excelled at the half he could do. Allen was much better runner and scrambler and throwing into tight windows. 

 

Nice.  I didn't see that. You saw that. Congrats. I don't wanna be the coach of the Bills. Sounds like you want to be. Go ahead. Go get that plane ticket and head out to Buffalo. Show us what you're made of instead typing on a message board.

[GG]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

 

Whoa. Slow your roll. Nate was drafted. Yes, drafted. He is talented to play in the NFL. To be a franchise superstar QB though? No. To be a starter? No. Looks like I'm wrong about that, too. It's up to Nate though. Not to me. I'm not the QB of the Buffalo Bills.

 

Slow my roll about one of the worst QBs that I’ve ever seen put on a Bills uniform?

 

Lots of players get drafted and then we soon realize that they had no business getting drafted or even taking up a roster spot.

 

The nicest guy in the locker room happens to suck at the pro game. 

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

 

Nice.  I didn't see that. You saw that. Congrats. I don't wanna be the coach of the Bills. Sounds like you want to be. Go ahead. Go get that plane ticket and head out to Buffalo. Show us what you're made of instead typing on a message board.

No. I have strong opinions. I express them. I'm wrong a bunch of times but they aren't facts they are opinions. The very best thinkers in the NFL are wrong maybe 40% of the time. Predicting the NFL is hard. There is no such thing as a guy who consistently hits most let alone all of his draft picks. It's like baseball. If you're a .333 hitter you're one of the best in the league, but it still means you are out two out of three times. 

 

The Peterman thing was obvious to me. But I even said here a bunch of times in the last few weeks if he can show a little more arm strength, if he can show when real bullets fly he can do what he did with rubber bullets then maybe I misjudged him. I predicted in the Peterman stats thread he would be way way better than this. But all five things I was worried about and said before the game came true today. I just don't see how McD can face his veterans and play this guy. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

21 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

No. I have strong opinions. I express them. I'm wrong a bunch of times but they aren't facts they are opinions. The very best thinkers in the NFL are wrong maybe 40% of the time. Predicting the NFL is hard. There is no such thing as a guy who consistently hits most let alone all of his draft picks. It's like baseball. If you're a .333 hitter you're one of the best in the league, but it still means you are out two out of three times. 

 

The Peterman thing was obvious to me. But I even said here a bunch of times in the last few weeks if he can show a little more arm strength, if he can show when real bullets fly he can do what he did with rubber bullets then maybe I misjudged him. I predicted in the Peterman stats thread he would be way way better than this. But all five things I was worried about and said before the game came true today. I just don't see how McD can face his veterans and play this guy. 

 Me, too. I was 100 percent correct about all the QBs we had since Doug Flutie left. And I pull the plug on those guys very early. But I don't do it after one game. It's somewhere around the 4-6th week is where I pull it if I don't see improvements; just to be absolutely sure in my mind. I'm not the coach. I don't see the stuff in practice and behind closed doors.

 

You were already dead set on Peterman sucking even before he stepped on the field. There is NO convincing you otherwise. The Josh Allen fans here were just waiting.

 

I give people chances just like I did with the other QBs. With me, I need suitable game samples before I make my final decisions. When Josh Allen gets his chance, I'll give him my support just like all the QBs before him. I hope I'm wrong about Allen. I didn't want him here because we have to trade 2 second rounders for him. I would have used the picks for more quality defensive players. Which to me, is the number one reason why we got handed 47 points up our arses.

 

 

Edited September 10, 2018 by Buffalo Ballin

[Kelly the Dog]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

 Me, too. I was 100 percent correct about all the QBs we had since Doug Flutie left. And I pull the plug on those guys very early. But I don't do it after one game. It's somewhere around the 4-6th week is where I pull it if I don't see improvements; just to be absolutely sure in my mind. I'm not the coach. I don't see the stuff in practice and behind closed doors.

 

You were already dead set on Peterman sucking even before he stepped on the field. There is NO convincing you otherwise. The Josh Allen fans here were just waiting.

 

I give people chances just like I did with the other QBs. With me, I need suitable game samples before I make my final decisions. When Josh Allen gets his chance, I'll give him my support just like all the QBs before him. I hope I'm wrong about Allen. I didn't want him here because we have to trade 2 first rounders for him. I would have used the picks for more quality defensive players. Which to me, is the number one reason why we got handed 47 points up our arses.

 

 

Completely untrue. I was skeptical about Peterman because of what I saw in college and because of his draft position. He was drafted there for a reason and most of it was because he had a suspect arm. When I saw him in preseason I didn't at all see what others did. He just wasn't good. He threw weak. He didn't throw well on slants and over the middle.  All of the stuff that made him a 5th round pick were obvious. I said here 100 times show me one play when he did this or that and it was crickets. 

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Is that the one where you were dead wrong after trying to convince me that I had no idea what i was talking about? I deal with a lot of misinformed conversations in my life - can't keep track of them all

 

Yay. You were right about Peterman starting in week 1.

 

I just didn't think McDermott would make the same mistake twice.

 

I was wrong.

 

I'm glad he autocorrects quickly from his mistakes.

3 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Damn. Nate Peterman got roasted today. Holy hell. I was backing him  a lot because he showed it in pre-season. Wow. I was wrong. It's just one game though. I'd give Peterman 2 more games to start. If he doesn't show any improvement and puts up stats then I yank Nate for the rest of the year and just give it to Allen.

 

This team will probably lay down on the field if McDermott trots Peterman out there again.