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I dont want to sound cold hearted by any means, but we all know drugs are bad. I've done plenty. Probably more than most. There's some I purposely chose not to do (heroin & meth). I grew up with an alcoholic father and saw what it did. I fully agree that addiction is a disease and more resources need to be allocated to the the causes. With that being said I'm less compassionate for someone who OD's thans some poor bastard who tried to live a clean life and comes down with pancreatic cancer for example. 

 

I think mental illness and addiction are at the forefront of things that need to be addressed in this day and age.

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3 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I dont want to sound cold hearted by any means, but we all know drugs are bad. I've done plenty. Probably more than most. There's some I purposely chose not to do (heroin & meth). I grew up with an alcoholic father and saw what it did. I fully agree that addiction is a disease and more resources need to be allocated to the the causes. With that being said I'm less compassionate for someone who OD's thans some poor bastard who tried to live a clean life and comes down with pancreatic cancer for example. 

 

I think mental illness and addiction are at the forefront of things that need to be addressed in this day and age.

 

I don’t know, man.  I’ve been to more funerals than I’d care to count for really good people who happened to go down the wrong path and eventually die due to addiction.  It is a disease, IMO.  

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15 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I don’t know, man.  I’ve been to more funerals than I’d care to count for really good people who happened to go down the wrong path and eventually die due to addiction.  It is a disease, IMO.  

There's no question it's a disease.  But what I'm saying is that it think that people are predisposed to addiction based on genealogy. It doesn't necessarily mean that everyone whose parent was an addict is going to be an addict, but I'm thinking it increases the chances. The choice ultimately lies with the individual.  There's a multitude of addictions, most of them aren't healthy (all things in moderation). Unfortunately some of them are deadly, and those are the ones you need to stay away from. Again, I dont want to sound callous because it's a terrible thing to see a friend or love one go through this, but ultimately it come down to choice. 

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4 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

There's no question it's a disease.  But what I'm saying is that it think that people are predisposed to addiction based on genealogy. It doesn't necessarily mean that everyone whose parent was an addict is going to be an addict, but I'm thinking it increases the chances. The choice ultimately lies with the individual.  There's a multitude of addictions, most of them aren't healthy (all things in moderation). Unfortunately some of them are deadly, and those are the ones you need to stay away from. Again, I dont want to sound callous because it's a terrible thing to see a friend or love one go through this, but ultimately it come down to choice. 

 

Really?  Because you sound awful callous ?

 

I get your point, but I just don’t share your sentiment.  But it’s all good.

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Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Really?  Because you sound awful callous ?

 

I get your point, but I just don’t share your sentiment.  But it’s all good.

Well I scored 27 on the empathy test,  so I've got a list of my own things to work on.....I got to mow before the rain comes. Cheers to Friday. 

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30 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I don’t know, man.  I’ve been to more funerals than I’d care to count for really good people who happened to go down the wrong path and eventually die due to addiction.  It is a disease, IMO.  

This. Drug addiction needs to be the purview of the health care system and not the criminal justice system. 

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1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I dont want to sound cold hearted by any means, but we all know drugs are bad. I've done plenty. Probably more than most. There's some I purposely chose not to do (heroin & meth). I grew up with an alcoholic father and saw what it did. I fully agree that addiction is a disease and more resources need to be allocated to the the causes. With that being said I'm less compassionate for someone who OD's thans some poor bastard who tried to live a clean life and comes down with pancreatic cancer for example. 

 

I think mental illness and addiction are at the forefront of things that need to be addressed in this day and age.

 

 

Agreed, however, there’s no money in it. When you see ways for corporations to make money off curing people and stopping addiction, then you’ll see these corporate clowns standing in line.

 

As it is, they want us to all be addicted to something and keep paying for meds that don’t cure but only curb to keep feeding off the public teet.

 

Its disgusting 

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27 minutes ago, Sweats said:

 

 

Agreed, however, there’s no money in it. When you see ways for corporations to make money off curing people and stopping addiction, then you’ll see these corporate clowns standing in line.

 

As it is, they want us to all be addicted to something and keep paying for meds that don’t cure but only curb to keep feeding off the public teet.

 

Its disgusting 

As Chris Rock said, the money's in the treatment not the cure.

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1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

There's no question it's a disease.  But what I'm saying is that it think that people are predisposed to addiction based on genealogy. It doesn't necessarily mean that everyone whose parent was an addict is going to be an addict, but I'm thinking it increases the chances. The choice ultimately lies with the individual.  There's a multitude of addictions, most of them aren't healthy (all things in moderation). Unfortunately some of them are deadly, and those are the ones you need to stay away from. Again, I dont want to sound callous because it's a terrible thing to see a friend or love one go through this, but ultimately it come down to choice. 

I agree.  I am gonna be callous.  I am in same boat as you.  My father is an alcoholic. It's totally passed down.  I am less sympathetic to the lazy ones.  I am who I am because of what my father did, the living hell that he put my mother through only for her to die @ an early age because of cancer.  I am more sympathetic towards people like her.  She stood buy him over and over until her end.  It's what cleaned him up.  He finally realized the choices he was making had consequences.

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2 hours ago, Sweats said:

 

 

Agreed, however, there’s no money in it. When you see ways for corporations to make money off curing people and stopping addiction, then you’ll see these corporate clowns standing in line.

 

As it is, they want us to all be addicted to something and keep paying for meds that don’t cure but only curb to keep feeding off the public teet.

 

Its disgusting 

Yeah, no one can seem to kick those nasty food or oxygen habits these days.

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Addiction isn’t a disease. It’s a choice. 

 

I feel nothing for these dead beats that go down that path in the first place. And even less for the ones that don’t see themselves as needing help. And even less for the scumbags that die from it. Natural selection. This trash was the bottom of the food chain. 

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5 hours ago, mrags said:

Addiction isn’t a disease. It’s a choice. 

 

I feel nothing for these dead beats that go down that path in the first place. And even less for the ones that don’t see themselves as needing help. And even less for the scumbags that die from it. Natural selection. This trash was the bottom of the food chain. 

What about the ones who repeatedly try to get and stay clean...who don't want to be an addict and then die from an OD?  Hope you don't have a son or daughter who make the "wrong choice"...though my bet is you'd feel something different.  Trust me....walk a mile in our shoes bro.

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12 hours ago, Sweats said:

Agreed, however, there’s no money in it. When you see ways for corporations to make money off curing people and stopping addiction, then you’ll see these corporate clowns standing in line.

 

At the NY State Fair they were offering lessons on how to administer Narcan. But no lessons on CPR or First Aid. 

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9 hours ago, mrags said:

Addiction isn’t a disease. It’s a choice. 

 

I feel nothing for these dead beats that go down that path in the first place. And even less for the ones that don’t see themselves as needing help. And even less for the scumbags that die from it. Natural selection. This trash was the bottom of the food chain. 

 

I have a local friend who is a CO at a max facility up here.  He posted the exact same thing on FB, that you just wrote here (Addiction isn’t a disease. It’s a choice) and his other comments were a lot like yours.

 

I'm guessing that in your line of work (for which I have the utmost respect), it's pretty easy to form these opinions.

 

My only purpose in writing this is to say I find it interesting that two people in the same line of work said nearly identical things about the topic of drug addiction.

 

We both know that our opinions differ on this, so it's not about debating.  I just found it interesting and I can understand it.

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1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

The son of a mother who will never see her child again

 

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My point (which fell on deaf ears) is so many people die each day (working with their survivors is often tough)...many who contributed to our society with engineering ideas, mathematics, physics, homemakers and steel workers, all of whom deserve as much credit and respect as this young fella. Not commenting on the addiction issue; by asking “who the !@#$ is Mac Miller” I was putting his death in perspective compared to the countless men and women who raised children, paid mortgages, bought groceries for dinner and get buried without as much as a quick “God’s speed”. Here’s to the average guy/gal who dies and leaves a spouse and kids. Those are the tough cases that deserve recognition. 

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2 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

My point (which fell on deaf ears) is so many people die each day (working with their survivors is often tough)...many who contributed to our society with engineering ideas, mathematics, physics, homemakers and steel workers, all of whom deserve as much credit and respect as this young fella. Not commenting on the addiction issue; by asking “who the !@#$ is Mac Miller” I was putting his death in perspective compared to the countless men and women who raised children, paid mortgages, bought groceries for dinner and get buried without as much as a quick “God’s speed”. Here’s to the average guy/gal who dies and leaves a spouse and kids. Those are the tough cases that deserve recognition. 

 

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21 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Dude’s probably from the mean streets of Brockport.  Ya dig? ?

 

I'm having a lemonade sale on the corner of Main and NY-19 tomorrow. Bring the heat, yo. 

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9 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

My point (which fell on deaf ears) is so many people die each day (working with their survivors is often tough)...many who contributed to our society with engineering ideas, mathematics, physics, homemakers and steel workers, all of whom deserve as much credit and respect as this young fella. Not commenting on the addiction issue; by asking “who the !@#$ is Mac Miller” I was putting his death in perspective compared to the countless men and women who raised children, paid mortgages, bought groceries for dinner and get buried without as much as a quick “God’s speed”. Here’s to the average guy/gal who dies and leaves a spouse and kids. Those are the tough cases that deserve recognition. 

 

Why don’t you climb down from your high horse, Mr. Judgy McJudgenstein?  Doth the addict who bleeds in the battle field risk less than the average man?  I say that all doth risk the same.

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I'm having a lemonade sale on the corner of Main and NY-19 tomorrow. Bring the heat, yo. 

 

Wellsville, eh?  It’s all coming together now.  Cheers ?

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17 hours ago, Nervous Guy said:

What about the ones who repeatedly try to get and stay clean...who don't want to be an addict and then die from an OD?  Hope you don't have a son or daughter who make the "wrong choice"...though my bet is you'd feel something different.  Trust me....walk a mile in our shoes bro.

You don’t want to hear anymore responses from me. You’ll dislike me even more than you already do. And I don’t feel like getting another ban because my opinion differs from yours. 

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13 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I have a local friend who is a CO at a max facility up here.  He posted the exact same thing on FB, that you just wrote here (Addiction isn’t a disease. It’s a choice) and his other comments were a lot like yours.

 

I'm guessing that in your line of work (for which I have the utmost respect), it's pretty easy to form these opinions.

 

My only purpose in writing this is to say I find it interesting that two people in the same line of work said nearly identical things about the topic of drug addiction.

 

We both know that our opinions differ on this, so it's not about debating.  I just found it interesting and I can understand it.

I have been in my current profession going on 10 years now. I’ve seen it all. I spent months at drug treatment centers, and years at maximum security facilities, and I can tell you most of the time it doesn’t help. It’s not a disease (imo) it’s a habit. Bad habit more like it. Bad influences. Bad decisions. Everyone controls their own fate when it comes to this type of thing unless your a crack baby. But if your in your teens or twenties or older, you aren’t suffering from that anymore. At that point youve made bad decisions. 

 

I will refuse to give any any thought to the contrary. I’ve made bad decisions in my life and regretted things, but I’ve learned from those mistakes. I’ve had hard times growing up and as an adult and I’ve grown from that. I’ve dealt with both parents as I grew up, and my parents separating and handled that. I’ve went through school and had grades so bad (my own doing) I would have a hard time getting into the most lax colleges and I’ve grown from that. I’m not saying I’ve had a very tough life, but I have went though some tough times. I’ve learned from my mistakes, I’ve grown as a person from the things I’ve learned. Never once in all the good or bad times was I like... “hey, ya know what would be awesome right now.... doing a bunch of heroin”. Because of that, I can say that everyone has a choice. And if you make that choice to do drugs to the point that you are an addict, I feel nothing for you. You are a burden on yourself, your family, and society and you should probably end it now and save everyone the grief that you will eventually cause. 

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