Jerry Sullivan Strikes Back With A VENGEANCE, Slams The BN, The Pegulas, and some of the Buffalo fanbase

[Fadingpain]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

lol

You laughing at the content of that post, or the fact that the idiot doesn't know how to spell "etc."

 

????

 

 

[BuffaloRush]

8 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Yes, that's exactly what a certain type of Bills fan thinks!  

 

It's ridiculous but there you go.

 

I really enjoyed the full podcast.  It's worth a listen to anyone reading this thread.

 

Didn't realize Sully would be doing 3 hours of talk radio 5 days a week.  Sounds like competition for Schopp/Bulldog.

 

I'll give them a listen and see how it goes for a while.

 

 

 

 

 

No he’s on 9-12, so it’s more like competition to the last hour of Howard and Jeremy and The Instigators.  

12 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

Bro... the Buffalo Maven? What is that like his own website he just started to take down BN? Lol get out of here with that.

More like people get sick of negativity for the sake of negativity. "To stir conversation". Its really not what you are looking for from your beat writer imo

 

Ever check out Rodaks twitter?

 

Ha!  No I guess the Maven is kind of like The Athletic.  The only difference is it’s ad-supported and no subscription based.  They have local reporters adding content to subsites.  It was just launched in june so still very new

[joemac1114]

It had to be difficult to write about a team that was crappy year after year. However, there were bright spots in those years, but Jerry never saw one of those spots. He only found fault, which is easy to do. Criticism that is constructive is hard. Jerry never did anything hard. 

[BillsFan692]

23 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

Ha!  No I guess the Maven is kind of like The Athletic.  The only difference is it’s ad-supported and no subscription based.  They have local reporters adding content to subsites.  It was just launched in june so still very new

You mean like immediately after Jerry Sullivan and others were forced out? (At the end of May)

[BullBuchanan]

Sully is a **** writer. The fact that he's a non stop pessimist didn't help his cause, but he reads like a small town columnist, and Buffalo deserves better. I don't think he even deserves to be called a journalist, because all he ever did was ask inflammatory pointed questions that served to try to get sound bytes. He's a hack.

 

I hear Infowars is hiring.

[Watkins90]

1 hour ago, Ayjent said:

Well journalist see their jobs and the organizations they work for as an important function in providing information to society.  So bad mouthing an employer is a little different in the circumstance where a journalist thinks the organization isn’t fulfilling its duty as well as it should and letting the public know is part of that function.  But..let’s be real sports writing and reporting is stretching all of the above a bit much.  We’re not talking about Watergate Journalism and it’s a lot closer to entertainment weekly. 

I was going to say this is sports journalism not actual journalism. Sports don't matter in the large scheme of things, is just entertainment.

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

I think you would really like John Murphy and. Chris Brown

 

Congrats!  I’m sure the $2.99 from you and

a few others did wonders to offset the millions lost this past quarter.  

 

Thank you man....My thoughts are exactly the same.  Sully was negative because there really wasn’t a lot to be positive about during the Drought.  Like you said the decisions made by this organization were embarrassing.  Sully was blunt in calling Ralph and several others out.  

 

I also give him credit for speaking his mind in this interview. 

 

I said I wanted columnists to be informative, entertaining, or maybe even uplifting and Sully was none of these things.  Instead of responding with a rational counter-argument, you say I'd like Murph or Chris Brown.  So you're either not trying to read for understanding or just trying to be offensive for the fun of being offensive.   Either way, you're wrong.

 

Was Sully informative?  No.  While at the BN he rarely - if ever - gave us inside information.  And his insights were common sense.  He had no deep knowledge of football in general or the Bills specifically.   I took away no new insights or data from his articles.  He merely pronounced his judgment on widely known people and events.  

 

Was Sully entertaining?  To some, I suppose he could be.  But I thought his Negative Nancy shtick was boring and tiresome.

 

Was Sully uplifting?  No.  He's more on the other end of that spectrum.  Some people try to find the silver-lining in every situation.  Sully, on the other hand, tries to find the dark cloud.  He seems to relish knocking others down.  

 

I used to like Larry Felser who was certainly capable of criticism.  I found Larry to be both informative and entertaining.  I liked Tyler Dunne because he gave me information I didn't already know.  I like Erik at Cover 1 because I learn a lot about x's and o's and player performance from him. 

 

If you enjoyed Sully's columns, great.  I didn't.  That doesn't make me a pollyanna.

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I said I wanted columnists to be informative, entertaining, or maybe even uplifting and Sully was none of these things.  Instead of responding with a rational counter-argument, you say I'd like Murph or Chris Brown.  So you're either not trying to read for understanding or just trying to be offensive for the fun of being offensive.   Either way, you're wrong.

 

Was Sully informative?  No.  While at the BN he rarely - if ever - gave us inside information.  And his insights were common sense.  He had no deep knowledge of football in general or the Bills specifically.   I took away no new insights or data from his articles.  He merely pronounced his judgment on widely known people and events.  

 

Was Sully entertaining?  To some, I suppose he could be.  But I thought his Negative Nancy shtick was boring and tiresome.

 

Was Sully uplifting?  No.  He's more on the other end of that spectrum.  Some people try to find the silver-lining in every situation.  Sully, on the other hand, tries to find the dark cloud.  He seems to relish knocking others down.  

 

I used to like Larry Felser who was certainly capable of criticism.  I found Larry to be both informative and entertaining.  I liked Tyler Dunne because he gave me information I didn't already know.  I like Erik at Cover 1 because I learn a lot about x's and o's and player performance from him. 

 

If you enjoyed Sully's columns, great.  I didn't.  That doesn't make me a pollyanna.

Felser was mostly a columnist but you're talking about the best the city ever had who covered the Bills over 68 years, so that is tough to live up to. Dunne is a very, very good feature writer, not a columnist. Eric Turner is absolutely great at what he does, breaking down film and analytics, etc, but not a columnist.

 

But both of those are totally different jobs than Sully's. I don't want to stick up for him, but he was strictly a columnist and if you want to compare him, and his style and substance and entertainment value, IMO you have to compare him to other columnists.

 

It's like saying a drummer sucks because there are all kinds of other guitar players in similar bands who are better musicians.

[White Linen]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

Yeah I get that.  I don’t doubt they thought Sully was “bad for business.”  I’m just saying where’s the proof that proves their vision to be correct.  

 

It is my opinion though that some fans hold Sully’s criticism against him.  As a fan who was often frustration with the lack of direction with the Bills over the past 20 years or so, I was appreciate that Sully expressed criticism rather than biting his tounge.  I do see how he could be perceived in a negative light, but again I think many fans internalized his comments and took what he said about the team personally.  I found that to a little silly as well.  

 

I appreciate the nice words.  I do like to come

here and have fun bantering with others.  I suppose it sometimes comes off the wrong way.  Thanks for the reminder.  

 

Nah man you're not coming off wrong.  I just think that not accepting why he was fired is where your argument lost me.  

 

Let me speak for myself on why I dislike his work - and how he makes me feel.  I'll preface by telling you I'm generally an optimistic fan.  My father in law bashes the Bills quit a bit.  His most recent rant is about Peterman starting.  We got into a discussion and I just could not get him to chill out and that Allen is the future and anything outside of making sure he's ready or put in the best position to take over, doesn't matter.  I never get upset with him because he loves the Bills.  He rarely shows it because the team has been so disappointing but he was excited to make the playoffs,  still pays for season tickets,  has a Bills license plate, etc etc.  He's a Bills fan, he loves them, but he's as pessimistic as you'll see.  Now, when Colin Cowherd criticizes the Bills - I have a completely different reaction, because I know he doesn't love the Bills, so it just bothers me listening to him bash us.  

 

Sullivan gives me the same feeling as Cowherd.  It feels like it comes from a place of actually enjoying that they're doing bad - not from someone saying they're bad but wishing they weren't.  Does that make sense?  There's evidence that he does not want to hear from a fan like me and doesn't want my voice heard. Sully feels that these moves  cater to the "lowest common denominator of fans."   He's blind to the idea that there's smart fans that just don't want to hear his regurgitation of negativity.   He still doesn't get it - despite being told by his employer that you're wrong Jerry - this is not what the fans want.  

 

I feel you're falling in that same category.  You're dismissing the amount of fans that want to hope for better days and that doesn't mean they're unintelligent.   It doesn't mean that they don't understand our history and that it hasn't been good but at the same time we can feel optimistic about what hasn't happened yet.  Then when what we hoped would happen didn't in a positive way - we don't need someone calling us out for stupidly hoping.  That's what Jerry Sullivan does.  

Edited September 7, 2018 by White Linen

[Kelly the Dog]

3 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Nah man you're not coming off wrong.  I just think that not accepting why he was fired is where your argument lost me.  

 

Let me speak for myself on why I dislike his work - and how he makes me feel.  I'll preface by telling you I'm generally an optimistic fan.  My father in law bashes the Bills quit a bit.  His most recent rant is about Peterman starting.  We got into a discussion and I just could not get him to chill out and that Allen is the future and anything outside of making sure he's ready or put in the best position to take over, doesn't matter.  I never get upset with him because he loves the Bills.  He rarely shows it because the team has been so disappointing but he was excited to make the playoffs,  still pays for season tickets,  has a Bills license plate, etc etc.  He's a Bills fan, he loves them, but he's as pessimistic as you'll see.  Now, when Colin Cowherd criticizes the Bills - I have a completely different reaction, because I know he doesn't love the Bills, so it just bothers me listening to him bash us.  

 

 

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Really good post and explanation.

[Buftex]

4 hours ago, Rico said:

He is right about his positive articles during the SB years. Not too long ago, I was looking at the News the day after 27 with the Felser “Let us count the ways the Bills disgraced the city of Buffalo” lead. Sully’s on pg 3 with not a single bad thing to say.

It has always cracked me up how sentimental so many Bills fans were/are about Larry Felser, yet loathe Sullivan.  Felser was as negative as they come.  Not saying i don't like him, but he always ripped the Bills, even in the better years.  I think Sullivan makes some valid points...covering a perenial losing franchise would likely ware anybody out.  How can you not be negative?

[oldmanfan]

Fielder could write negative things about the Bills without. resorting to personal attacks and cheap shots.  Sullivan can't.  He used to have a column where he'd address  fans' questions and if he didn't like something he just write back childish insults.  I liked some of his work like when he'd write about golf or the Olympics.  When it came to the Buffalo sports teams he'd come across as petulant and insulting, and inconsistent.  He'd be critical if the Bills didn't do X, then if they did do X he'd blast them for doing so.

 

Felser was the epitome of a good columnist.  Jerry, you're no Larry.  

[Dr. K]

Blah blah blah

[PeterDude]

I don't even read the newspaper, or even watch local news, so don't care much about Sullivan other than I hated listening to him when he was on WGR with Schopp & Bulldog a few years ago.  His attitude about pretty much everything was garbage IMO.

[HOUSE]

Why pay a guy to bash the Bills, we have hundreds here working for free

[Gigs]

8 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

Not contributing clicks to anything Jerry Sullivan is connected to ever again.  I don't care what he says.  He was bitter when he worked for the BN, he's bitter now and lashing out at anyone and everyone other than himself and his hackery for losing his role at the paper.  I'm shocked.

You must be 13. Why would he **** rainbows when Wilson and the Bills had absolutely no intent on putting a competitor on the field? Not everything is happy fun time, kid. 

[BobChalmers]

"He also said the role of a columnist, is to sometimes be an extremist in their views and amplify their thoughts to to generate conversation. "

 

Online we call this sort of person a TROLL

 

...which is exactly what I called Sullivan when I e-mailed his boss, pointing out that Sullivan's poor logic in his articles made it clear he was being nonsensical on purpose to attract attention and that that sort of dishonest behavior reflected poorly on the entire paper.

[vorpma]

This board needs therapy to help it let go of Sullivan, to say it is an obsession is an understatement!

1 hour ago, Dr. K said:

Blah blah blah

The best post on this topic ever!

[todd]

Sully always searched actively for the negative angle. ALWAYS. I wrote the Buff news multiple times asking them to do better. I'm glad that miserable dolt is gone.

[Rob's House]

Bills fans are like a girl who insists her boyfriend, who's been drunk and unemployed for the last decade, has a plan and is about to turn it all around. Jerry's the dad who explains that this guy is now, and will continue to be, a loser. She knows he's right, but she wants him to do better so badly she can't handle it. She screams "I HATE YOU" and runs in her room, slams the door, and cries.