LSHMEAB Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 I've always maintained that Trump's outrageous behavior was never going to be his downfall. His downfall was going to occur when he lost the ability to outrage. Let's just be honest here. People voted for a performer. He had a hell of a run, but many are tuning out. Totally lost his cache. The steadily declining poll numbers are quite real this time. What I find irksome is that the media will almost certainly sugarcoat the narrative. "Decency has won the day and the American people have come to their senses!" Naaah. They got bored This particular fiasco with the NYT piece feels like one of the final episodes of a dying sit-com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: I've always maintained that Trump's outrageous behavior was never going to be his downfall. His downfall was going to occur when he lost the ability to outrage. Let's just be honest here. People voted for a performer. He had a hell of a run, but many are tuning out. Totally lost his cache. The steadily declining poll numbers are quite real this time. What I find irksome is that the media will almost certainly sugarcoat the narrative. "Decency has won the day and the American people have come to their senses!" Naaah. They got bored This particular fiasco with the NYT piece feels like one of the final episodes of a dying sit-com. nah.... it is merely another act in the play. as the last act fades out due to the giant nothing burger that it is becoming, a different bread and circus act is required. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Nanker said: I've already said that several times. There are Billions in IRAs and 401ks that the likes of Lieawatha and Nancy Piglowsee would love to get their hands on in exchange for some nice US Government bonds. Trillions. There are trillions of dollars held in 401ks and other retirement accounts. As of March 31, 2018, 5.3T was held in k plans with another 9.2T held in IRAs. https://www.ici.org/401k 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: I've always maintained that Trump's outrageous behavior was never going to be his downfall. His downfall was going to occur when he lost the ability to outrage. Let's just be honest here. People voted for a performer. He had a hell of a run, but many are tuning out. Totally lost his cache. The steadily declining poll numbers are quite real this time. What I find irksome is that the media will almost certainly sugarcoat the narrative. "Decency has won the day and the American people have come to their senses!" Naaah. They got bored This particular fiasco with the NYT piece feels like one of the final episodes of a dying sit-com. Lol!!!! The only thing dieing is the progressive party. America is tired of the crap you liberals are pulling. We are tired of antifa and there bullying ways, tired of the "protesters" interupting congress and senate meetings. We are tired of the cry babies and temper tantrums because hillary lost. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. We President Trump supporters love all the new jobs created and coming back to America, we love the tax cuts. We love the fact he tore up the trade agreements and came up with fairer deals for AMERICA!!! President Trump has done more for the good of our country than obama did in 8 years in office. So suck on that sour puss!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 33 minutes ago, westside said: Lol!!!! The only thing dieing is the progressive party. America is tired of the crap you liberals are pulling. We are tired of antifa and there bullying ways, tired of the "protesters" interupting congress and senate meetings. We are tired of the cry babies and temper tantrums because hillary lost. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. We President Trump supporters love all the new jobs created and coming back to America, we love the tax cuts. We love the fact he tore up the trade agreements and came up with fairer deals for AMERICA!!! President Trump has done more for the good of our country than obama did in 8 years in office. So suck on that sour puss!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Making America great again!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Nanker said: Doc, what fantasy world do you live in? They're generally paid more for people in the private sector with similar credentials who don't have the protection of a union and they don't have defined benefit pension plans (e.g., 80% of pay for life after 25 years of service) and fully ported paid-for healthcare coverage either. They can be fired at will in most states, and their bosses can put untold pressure on them to get results. I wouldn't want to babysit twenty juvenile delinquents every day either. But that's the career path they chose. Summers off? Hell, most people in the private sector are lucky to get four weeks of vacation after working at the same place for twenty years. If they move to a different job - they generally start over at 2 weeks - AFTER they've been at the job for a year. The whining by teachers and Libs has been what's always irked me about them. Fair enough. Teaching is the number one attacked profession which is why you hear them "whining." I'm not going to try and convince you why I think you're wrong because you've already made your mind up. You're just a little off salary and pension wise. In NYS it's comparable pay wise with other professions with employees of similar degrees. Most states. Not even close. You'd have to put 40 years in (not 25) to get 80% of your pay and you lose your health insurance when you're 65 and get medicare in NYS. Teachers get laid off every year even with tenure with declining student population and the rise of charter schools. You do make a good case for public unions though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Everyone - no matter where they live - gets Medicare as their PRIMARY insurance when they’re 65 Doc. Even those with “Cadillac” plans. If they’re lucky, they can keep a stunted form of their previous employer’s plan as their supplemental insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Fair enough. Teaching is the number one attacked profession which is why you hear them "whining." I'm not going to try and convince you why I think you're wrong because you've already made your mind up. You're just a little off salary and pension wise. In NYS it's comparable pay wise with other professions with employees of similar degrees. Most states. Not even close. You'd have to put 40 years in (not 25) to get 80% of your pay and you lose your health insurance when you're 65 and get medicare in NYS. Teachers get laid off every year even with tenure with declining student population and the rise of charter schools. You do make a good case for public unions though. If I had a toothpick for every time I heard some ad or politician call teachers heroes I could build a full scale replica of the Empire State Building. #1 attacked position? I think cops have a claim there. A degree arguably could have a bearing on someone's starting salary but that's all. After that, supply and demand takes over, period. It always has. Acting surprised about it via union representation doesn't change it. I'm not saying teaching is easy but there is a large supply of capable people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Teaching is the number one attacked profession Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 17 hours ago, Tiberius said: Hacked emails, conspiracy, propaganda, and attempted hacking into election systems and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 38 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Morning Teddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Tiberius said: Morning Teddy mornin' tibs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 14 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Fair enough. Teaching is the number one attacked profession which is why you hear them "whining." I'm not going to try and convince you why I think you're wrong because you've already made your mind up. You're just a little off salary and pension wise. In NYS it's comparable pay wise with other professions with employees of similar degrees. Most states. Not even close. You'd have to put 40 years in (not 25) to get 80% of your pay and you lose your health insurance when you're 65 and get medicare in NYS. Teachers get laid off every year even with tenure with declining student population and the rise of charter schools. You do make a good case for public unions though. Oy vey (amiright @LaDexter ?). Teachers are 100% the whiniest profession, hands down, runaway train. You know who works after 5pm? MOST PEOPLE. Get the f%$# over yourselves already. The last time I got a summer off, I was 13 and my dad made me shingle the house in cedar shakes shingles. To them: Do your job and act like a man. I love teachers. I support teachers. I respect teachers. But STFU already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 24 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Teachers are 100% the whiniest profession, hands down, runaway train. Doctors and Dentists are #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Doctors and Dentists are #1. Doctors are idiots, truly incapable of doing any diagnostic efforts outside of their specific field and those that are GP's are generally inept and send you to a specialist costing you far too much money. I'd much rather just figure it out myself or go to PT for anything wrong. Then again, my doctor is a veterinarian... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Ok, this might surprise some people: I think the author of the article is a coward. If you truly think that Trump is so unfit to run the country that you are actively undermining him, that you are working contrary to him to the point that you consider yourself a "Resistance" than what the hell are you doing? If there are so many of you, stand proudly and resign to tell your story. You could try to convince people to invoke the 25th Amendment which would place Pence in charge, and in spite of my feelings on the man, no one can deny that he is a bona fide social conservative. No, instead you have what you feel is an easily manipulated dupe and you are maximizing your opportunity. You can go do the things that you want to do, knowing that no one will be able to pin it on you and will blame Trump for anything unpopular. Once you leave, you can go make bank at a lobbying firm Of course, I think there is now ample evidence from multiple sources (Omorosa, Woodward's book, this Op-Ed) that the Trump White House is a dysfunctional mess, and that the man is especially inept, but that is nothing new. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Yes, all the good things happening in this country are in spite of Trump, just ask a whacko, an author who gets his information from unnamed sources 2nd and 3rd hand and someone who refuses to identify himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 51 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Yes, all the good things happening in this country are in spite of Trump, just ask a whacko, an author who gets his information from unnamed sources 2nd and 3rd hand and someone who refuses to identify himself. C'mon man, the author knows a guy who knows a guy. What better font of information could there possibly be?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, Koko78 said: C'mon man, the author knows a guy who knows a guy. What better font of information could there possibly be?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, /dev/null said: I'm sorry, the correct answer is: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I'm sorry, the correct answer is: Now that's just plain wrong. Aliens don't provide information. They just control human existence 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 So, what I am hearing is that the Op-Ed simultaneously: A) completely made up by some rando at the "failing" NYT as part of the "lamestream media's" war on Trump, in spite of the fact that it meshes with numerous accounts of people who left. And B) Absolutely validates a Deep State conspiracy, probably done at Obama and/or Clinton's behest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: So, what I am hearing is that the Op-Ed simultaneously: A) completely made up by some rando at the "failing" NYT as part of the "lamestream media's" war on Trump, in spite of the fact that it meshes with numerous accounts of people who left. And B) Absolutely validates a Deep State conspiracy, probably done at Obama and/or Clinton's behest. Correct. If it's true, it's direct evidence of a functioning deep state working to under cut the duly elected sitting President. If it's fiction, it's direct evidence that the NY Times is a functioning part of a deep state narrative designed to undercut the duly elected sitting President. Either way, it 100% validates the existence of the deep state. Edited September 12, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Lol. The failing nyt just did that as a poison pill piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Correct. If it's true, it's direct evidence of a functioning deep state. If it's faction, it's direct evidence that the NY Times is a functioning part of a deep state narrative designed to undercut the duly elected sitting President. That's my point. People are having it both ways. If it wasn't a legitimate threat to our Constitutional checks and balances, and raises the possibility that the POTUS is a borderline senile and easily manipulated man-child I would find it hilarious that the Deep State wasn't his political opponents or a secret cabal of intelligence officials but his reality show casting by hiring of petty, backstabbing sycophants out purely for their own gain. But it is, and I'm not laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: That's my point. People are having it both ways. If it wasn't a legitimate threat to our Constitutional checks and balances, and raises the possibility that the POTUS is a borderline senile and easily manipulated man-child I would find it hilarious that the Deep State wasn't his political opponents or a secret cabal of intelligence officials but his reality show casting by hiring of petty, backstabbing sycophants out purely for their own gain. But it is, and I'm not laughing. People are not "having it both ways". It's simply the reality of the situation. By advancing the piece the Times has demonstrated that there is a deep state, and that they are one of it's tendrils. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: People are not "having it both ways". It's simply the reality of the situation. By advancing the piece the Times has demonstrated that there is a deep state, and that they are one of it's tendrils. Huh? If it's quality reporting, then how are they anything other than a responsible press? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 40 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Huh? If it's quality reporting, then how are they anything other than a responsible press? I'm sorry but an Op-Ed piece from an anonymous source is not quality reporting. It's not even reporting at all. It's essentially "sharing" a Facebook post. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 59 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Huh? If it's quality reporting, then how are they anything other than a responsible press? It's not "quality reporting". They didn't report anything. They either: 1) Fabricated a story from the ground up, demonstrating that they are a propaganda arm of a deep state seeking to undermine a duly elected President. or 2) The OpEd is real, demonstrating that they are a propaganda arm of a deep state seeking to undermine a duly elected President. They are complicit either way. That's all their OpEd served to reveal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Huh? If it's quality reporting, then how are they anything other than a responsible press? 26 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I'm sorry but an Op-Ed piece from an anonymous source is not quality reporting. It's not even reporting at all. It's essentially "sharing" a Facebook post. Who'd have thought that Democrats this day and age couldn't distinguish opinions and editorials from reporting? Oh, wait...I know who... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Chris farley said: Lol. The failing nyt just did that as a poison pill piece. How much longer before the poison takes effect? Asking for a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I'm sorry but an Op-Ed piece from an anonymous source is not quality reporting. It's not even reporting at all. It's essentially "sharing" a Facebook post. Well, they claimed to have checked that the authority was a member of the administration with some clout. If this person has a story in which they claim to be operating a shadow government, that's absolutely a story. It is their reputation and credibility on the line. So, assuming that they actually did verify the identity of the author, the Times is actively working as a free and independent press, which is what they are supposed to do. The question is the identity of the source and the veracity of what they say. I tend to believe it, as it tracks with what we've seen as outside observers: the biggest policy changes being deregulation and tax code, the orgasm inducers of the conservative wing. Everything else has pretty much ground itself out. The petty backstabbing and paranoia jives with what we heard in Fire and Fury and the Fear books. So either all these separate competing journalists all fabricated sources and documents to spin coorborating lies...or the dude who claimed to clean up 9/11 rubble personally while also watch Muslim in NJ celebrating is full of a metric ton of crap. 2 minutes ago, Nanker said: How much longer before the poison takes effect? Asking for a friend. Considering that their readership has been increasing...i am guessing no time soon. 12 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: It's not "quality reporting". They didn't report anything. They either: 1) Fabricated a story from the ground up, demonstrating that they are a propaganda arm of a deep state seeking to undermine a duly elected President. or 2) The OpEd is real, demonstrating that they are a propaganda arm of a deep state seeking to undermine a duly elected President. They are complicit either way. That's all their OpEd served to reveal. With two...i don't think you understand how journalism works. Or what complicity is. They would be complicit if they KILLED the story alerting people to this news. Publishing it has alerted people to a need to remedy the problem. Even progressives think it's dangerous to let those cowards be kleptocrats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Well, they claimed to have checked that the authority was a member of the administration with some clout. If this person has a story in which they claim to be operating a shadow government, that's absolutely a story. It is their reputation and credibility on the line. So, assuming that they actually did verify the identity of the author, the Times is actively working as a free and independent press, which is what they are supposed to do. The question is the identity of the source and the veracity of what they say. I tend to believe it, as it tracks with what we've seen as outside observers: the biggest policy changes being deregulation and tax code, the orgasm inducers of the conservative wing. Everything else has pretty much ground itself out. The petty backstabbing and paranoia jives with what we heard in Fire and Fury and the Fear books. So either all these separate competing journalists all fabricated sources and documents to spin coorborating lies...or the dude who claimed to clean up 9/11 rubble personally while also watch Muslim in NJ celebrating is full of a metric ton of crap. Considering that their readership has been increasing...i am guessing no time soon. With two...i don't think you understand how journalism works. Or what complicity is. They would be complicit if they KILLED the story alerting people to this news. Publishing it has alerted people to a need to remedy the problem. Even progressives think it's dangerous to let those cowards be kleptocrats Incorrect. If it's true what they have done is protect the anonymity of an unelected person serving in government actively working to subvert a duly elected President (the democratic will of the people), and provide them with a platform to propagandize. IE. working as a propaganda arm of the deep state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Incorrect. If it's true what they have done is protect the anonymity of an unelected person serving in government actively working to subvert a duly elected President (the democratic will of the people), and provide them with a platform to propagandize. IE. working as a propaganda arm of the deep state. But Trump is a big mean meanie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: With two...i don't think you understand how journalism works. The irony of this statement is high comedy. A guy who is conflating op eds with journalism saying someone else doesn't understand how journalism works. Never stop being you, WhiteWalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 44 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: But Trump is a big mean meanie. It's almost as if Trump is actually literally super mecha-Hitler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Koko78 said: It's almost as if Trump is actually literally super mecha-Hitler! Wörtlichüberpanzerkampfmaschinegehilfer-Hitler. Do I have to explain all this again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Wörtlichüberpanzerkampfmaschinegehilfer-Hitler. Do I have to explain all this again? I had to English it up for the man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Koko78 said: I had to English it up for the man! Cmon... what part of Wörtlichüberpanzerkampfmaschinegehilfer Don’t you understand ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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