FeelingOnYouboty Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I'm pretty even keeled and don't get myself into Twitter squabbles with reporters or opposing fans but I've been acting out of character since I've gone all in on Josh Allen. I was among his biggest detractors leading up to the Draft but I've decided to trust the process and honestly it wasn't a hard sell. The kid is 6'5, 237, has wheels and is the owner of one of the best arms of all time. I've gotten to the point where I'm trashing 2019 QB prospects like Justin Herbert and Drew Lock. Complete bunker mentality and the National media is making it super easy because Allen seems to have crossed over from polarizing prospect to object of ridicule. The attacks seem personal and the all of the journos have gone from friendly banter to accusing Bills fans of being racists because we're not big on Tyrod Taylor. This is a pointless thread but I'm kinda loving this bunker mentality. I'm hoping we see Josh Allen sooner rather than later because I want to see our new toy in action. THAT'S MY QUARTERBACK! 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I'm with you, brother. I had about 24 hours of hating the pick. But then I thought to myself: "You know what? This is the first time EVER in my lifetime that the Bills have taken a QB in the top ten. Let's do this!" 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) Well only one of the four QBs selected is starting and thats Darnold. So the fact that he isnt starting is no big deal. Shouldnt Mayfield your number one overall pick have been able to beat TT who throws for 100 yards a game. Allen did some things very well this preseason. The third game was a joke due to our joke of an o line. I think they are all just jealous cause hes so damn handsome! Or so they tell me. Edited September 5, 2018 by Skins Malone 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Journalist is generally a synonym for imbecile nowadays. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I am all for him. I came around too when I saw him go through reads when he had time and take plays where he could. That said, as much as I want to see him right now I am cognizant of the fact that the next three games are going to be rough. We saw how the O-line looked in preseason and the Ravens, Chargers and Vikings look to be very, very tough pass defenses. I can wait until we play the Packers at home. That's three games *braces self* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 How bad does the roof have to cave in before they let him play? Learning from the bench is stupid. The only thing you learn is how to hold a clipboard and where the Gatorade is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: I'm with you, brother. I had about 24 hours of hating the pick. But then I thought to myself: "You know what? This is the first time EVER in my lifetime that the Bills have taken a QB in the top ten. Let's do this!" That's exactly how I was. Hated it initially. But soon came to embrace it, mostly because of what he has done since, how he has acted, a deeper dive into his play and his past, and what he did in the three games. I'm all in now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: How bad does the roof have to cave in before they let him play? Learning from the bench is stupid. The only thing you learn is how to hold a clipboard and where the Gatorade is. It would also be nice to know what you have in Allen before next season. Especially if we do have a high pick. If he doesnt play this season next year we re in the same boat wondering what we have. So i hope he gets at least a few starts which i think he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I have seen several reports, including from local beat writers, that Josh was "benched" for Nate or "lost the job". Ridiculous in my opinion. He started as the third string QB with little shot to start the season and made it a tough decision. I too am all-in on him. He seems like a great kid who has a wonderful work ethic. He has been rejected before...not getting any looks especially from Fresno State where he wanted to go; he was panned through the draft process--all he has done is ignore the critics and improve not just steadily but by leaps and bounds. The Cincy game was a test. I almost believe it was on purpose (I know I am nuts). If Daboll ever, ever put Vlad and Miller one on one with Gino Atkins or Marshall Newhouse or Jordan Mills one on one with Carlos Dunlap on a real game day-- he should be fired. I think they wanted to show Josh what real bullets looked like. He failed, but not miserably so--He didn't throw 5 INTs for example. I wish Nate Peterman all the success in the world. If he shows something, the Bills have another tremendous asset. However, Josh has skills - mobility, arm, pocket savvy, speed that Nate will never have. Let Josh watch as long as Nate is not losing us games with turnovers or poor production...but make no mistake, Josh Allen is the future of this franchise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I was pissed draft night, then reluctantly supportive, to now can’t wait for him to start. If this season is a lost cause, let’s get his learning curve accelerated. Some of the throws he has already made in preseason were sick. No one since #12 should even try. Just gotta get it out faster until the line is improved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenWillBust Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: I'm with you, brother. I had about 24 hours of hating the pick. But then I thought to myself: "You know what? This is the first time EVER in my lifetime that the Bills have taken a QB in the top ten. Let's do this!" I'm still hating the pick obviously. Deep down inside, I think you probably still hate the pick, but maybe peer pressure and trying to make yourself feel better about this season is getting in the way of objectivity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 minute ago, AllenWillBust said: I'm still hating the pick obviously. Deep down inside, I think you probably still hate the pick, but maybe peer pressure and trying to make yourself feel better about this season is getting in the way of objectivity. Yet another thing you're incorrect on. Tell me something, does it suck being constantly wrong? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenWillBust Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Yet another thing you're incorrect on. Tell me something, does it suck being constantly wrong? How do you change your mind so quickly when no new information became available? Seems like blind optimism was the culprit... Allen could not even beat out Peterman! That info right there says a lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overdue Bill Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 It was a great pick...now having said that, he has to prove himself in the NFL and that will take time. Jim Kelly looked great when he came on board because he had a chance to get experience in the USFL. I hope we let sit and learn for a 5-6 games before we throw him in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, AllenWillBust said: How do you change your mind so quickly when no new information became available? Seems like blind optimism was the culprit... Allen could not even beat out Peterman! That info right there says a lot... I gave my reasoning earlier in the thread. Do your own homework, njsue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said: I'm still hating the pick obviously. Deep down inside, I think you probably still hate the pick, but maybe peer pressure and trying to make yourself feel better about this season is getting in the way of objectivity. Name me a Bills QB the last 15 years who would have made this play: Bledsoe - Sack Fitz-INT Losman - Fumble returned for a touchdown EJ-Interception returned for a touchdown Tyrod-Run around and then sacked Trentative- Throwaway These are the plays that distinguish a good QB from an average QB. We finally have someone who can do this. I get that you wanted one of the three others and would have preferred any of them to what we got...and you are entitled to that. Darnold was my guy and still is...but I am a lot happier with what we got today than I was on draft night. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenWillBust Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: I gave my reasoning earlier in the thread. Do your own homework, njsue. Similar reasoning was used by many fans when EJ was selected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Skins Malone said: Well only one of the four QBs selected is starting and thats Darnold. So the fact that he isnt starting is no big deal. Shouldnt Mayfield your number one overall pick have been able to beat TT who throws for 100 yards a game. Allen did some things very well this preseason. The third game was a joke due to our joke of an o line. I think they are all just jealous cause hes so damn handsome! Or so they tell me. 7 I think the plan in Cleveland was always to sit Mayfield. Mayfield would have had to complete blow TT out of the water to gain the starting job. Just simply being better wasn't going to be enough for Hue Jackson to turn to the rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenWillBust Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 minute ago, JoeF said: Name me a Bills QB the last 15 years who would have made this play: Bledsoe - Sack Fitz-INT Losman - Fumble returned for a touchdown EJ-Interception returned for a touchdown Tyrod-Run around and then sacked Trentative- Throwaway These are the plays that distinguish a good QB from an average QB. We finally have someone who can do this. I get that you wanted one of the three others and would have preferred any of them to what we got...and you are entitled to that. Darnold was my guy and still is...but I am a lot happier with what we got today than I was on draft night. Yes, nice play, but consistency in the short game (see Tom Brady) is where it is at in the NFL. Tyrod was supposed to be a QB that could "make things happen" where other QB's could not, how'd that work out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said: Yes, nice play, but consistency in the short game (see Tom Brady) is where it is at in the NFL. Tyrod was supposed to be a QB that could "make things happen" where other QB's could not, how'd that work out? None of us are going to convince you to get behind Josh. I hope if Josh provides evidence through his play, that you will come around. I know you will be cheering for him to do well. You wouldn't be on this forum if you wanted him to fail. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said: Yes, nice play, but consistency in the short game (see Tom Brady) is where it is at in the NFL. Tyrod was supposed to be a QB that could "make things happen" where other QB's could not, how'd that work out? 1 see your user name 2 look up confirmation bias and then 3 delete your account. Enjoy your day! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenWillBust Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, JoeF said: None of us are going to convince you to get behind Josh. I hope if Josh provides evidence through his play, that you will come around. I know you will be cheering for him to do well. You wouldn't be on this forum if you wanted him to fail. ? I never cheer for injuries or failure. However, I also never succumb to false hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 The "greatest arm ever" chatter is getting out of hand. Anyway, I've shared my thoughts on Allen plenty of times. I have my doubts, but really hope I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenWillBust Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, aceman_16 said: 1 see your user name 2 look up confirmation bias and then 3 delete your account. Enjoy your day! What type of fan has been duped more by confirmation bias at the start of Bills' seasons the last, oh I don't know, 20 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 minute ago, AllenWillBust said: What type of fan has been duped more by confirmation bias at the start of Bills' seasons the last, oh I don't know, 20 years? Problem is... with a name like yours one has to be secretly rooting against someone to be proven correct. Agree or not, IF Allen is successful THEN your name and assumption about Allen's bust potential will make you look like a fool. Most humans don't like to seem like a fool and be publicly wrong - thus you're rooting against him. Moreover, you will have a tendency to see ANYTHING good that Allen does as luck or "anyone can do that" sort of minimization. Furthermore, anything normal or neutral will be twisted into a negative. Finally, you have pushed "all in" that he will be a bust and therefore you have a LOT to lose being publicly wrong. Like I said... have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, aceman_16 said: Problem is... with a name like yours one has to be secretly rooting against someone to be proven correct. Agree or not, IF Allen is successful THEN your name and assumption about Allen's bust potential will make you look like a fool. Most humans don't like to seem like a fool and be publicly wrong - thus you're rooting against him. Moreover, you will have a tendency to see ANYTHING good that Allen does as luck or "anyone can do that" sort of minimization. Furthermore, anything normal or neutral will be twisted into a negative. Finally, you have pushed "all in" that he will be a bust and therefore you have a LOT to lose being publicly wrong. Like I said... have a nice day. Obvious troll account now on ignore, please do not quote AllenWillBust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Maybe he thinks Allen will someday have a bust in Canton. The way he denies crap you know it's more like projection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I hated the pick because I thought he was a 3rd round talent that was getting pushed to the top of the first based solely on arm strength. Far more complete college QBs like Carr, Wilson, Kaepernick, Cousins all were had in rounds 2-4, and they played far better in college. Allen always seemed like an Al Davis pick to me, and he still does. In my eyes he's still the exact same kid he was then. I don't expect it to change, because there's little evidence that it can. Sure, he could surprise us, but I'm not counting on it. Guys like Logan Thomas could throw almost as hard, yet he's had to change positions just to eek out a few more years of minimum salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: I think the plan in Cleveland was always to sit Mayfield. Mayfield would have had to complete blow TT out of the water to gain the starting job. Just simply being better wasn't going to be enough for Hue Jackson to turn to the rookie. I agree. And i think Mayfield has looked very good. Im just saying the fact that Allen isnt starting the season is really no big deal cuz Rosen and Mayfield arent either. I think Mayfield will actually be the last to start given the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Why did people hate this pick? I just don't get it. I wanted Mayfield but since he was selected first, well, tough luck. It's not like I had deep knowledge of all these QBs anyway, and suspect few of the ranters do. It was well known Allen was classified in all the possible range from the very first pick to early 2nd rounder in the "experts'" opinion, so why be mad at the choice? A lot of "experts" suggested he'd be among the top 4 QBs taken, and he was. I liked his demeanor then and since. I'm glad he's here and sure hope he is the face of the franchise for years to come. Till then, go Nate and GO BILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skins Malone Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I hated the pick because I thought he was a 3rd round talent that was getting pushed to the top of the first based solely on arm strength. Far more complete college QBs like Carr, Wilson, Kaepernick, Cousins all were had in rounds 2-4, and they played far better in college. Allen always seemed like an Al Davis pick to me, and he still does. In my eyes he's still the exact same kid he was then. I don't expect it to change, because there's little evidence that it can. Sure, he could surprise us, but I'm not counting on it. Guys like Logan Thomas could throw almost as hard, yet he's had to change positions just to eek out a few more years of minimum salary. Where we picked it was obviously Rosen or Allen at that point. What were your thoughts on Rosen going into the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 35 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said: Yes, nice play, but consistency in the short game (see Tom Brady) is where it is at in the NFL. Tyrod was supposed to be a QB that could "make things happen" where other QB's could not, how'd that work out? !@#$ing Patriots fan. Outed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, ScottLaw said: I think a lot of fans wanted the Bills to pick anyone but Allen out of the top four before the draft. Rosen was purported to be more NFL ready, but he seems to have quite the attitude. Allen seems like a kid eager and willing to learn, I think it all depends on how well he is coached. Do the Bills have the coaching staff in place to develop a franchise QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 46 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said: I'm still hating the pick obviously. Deep down inside, I think you probably still hate the pick, but maybe peer pressure and trying to make yourself feel better about this season is getting in the way of objectivity. Cage match. SkyDiver's defense of all things Bama vs your irrational hatred of Allen. Too close to call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I think a lot of fans wanted the Bills to pick anyone but Allen out of the top four before the draft. So of course the Bills pick Allen.? I was hoping they'd find a way to get ahead of the Jets and have their pick of whomever after the Browns got who they wanted. No matter what it took. Allen fell and hopefully he pans out. None of these guys are foregone conclusions to be good QBs. Nothing is certain. Yet people still talk about some of these guys like they are. The consensus seems to be Allen is the most uncertain of the four due to many factors. I had no problem with the pick...i like Allen. But i certainly understand why fans were and are nervous about Allen. But the common denominator is we all hope he will succeed. If he doesnt...you go back to bat and take another swing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Hate the pick initially and still hate the pick! He was big and strong with wheels in college too. Too bad that stuff doesn't really impact QBing success in the NFL. No one here has any idea whatsoever if he can do it or not. I saw nothing in the preseason to make me think one way or the other about him. I'll support him when he plays in real games, but I'm not expecting anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 The Tyrod negativity is astounding to me, and it is a bit convenient were you guys choose to praise and ignore ending the drought. If the offense is the control, Tyrod played way better than Peterman yet I continuously see him trashed on here. He's by no means perfect, but all of you saying give McDermott and Beane time for ending the drought afforded Tyrod no such thing. I just wish that he wasn't treated as poorly as he has been by this fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 52 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: The "greatest arm ever" chatter is getting out of hand. Anyway, I've shared my thoughts on Allen plenty of times. I have my doubts, but really hope I'm wrong. Favre, Marino, George, Newton. Who else is on this list. He's definitely up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Favre, Marino, George, Newton. Who else is on this list. He's definitely up there. He has played zero snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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