Helsinki Summit

[TakeYouToTasker]

2 hours ago, Cinga said:

Great list! Hope you don't mind, I'm borrowing it... 

 

Everything I post here, I post as open source.

 

The message is far more important than the credit.

 

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

Basically.

 

I still think that Trump is a boorish thin skinned narcissist, but it's hard to argue with the results so far.

 

We're in lock step on this.

[Azalin]

4 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Greg was never a leftist, but he was a liberal.

 

You beat me to the correction, but you're exactly right. I posted in another thread, in one of my little rants that modern leftists are not liberals, and Greg is a perfect example of what I meant.

 

Instead of going off on another rant over the difference between leftist and liberal, I'll simply repost something that we were treated to a few days ago in another thread (sorry - I can't remember exactly who posted it). This is the modern American left:

 

 

 

There is nothing liberal about those positions at all. Those of you who believe yourselves to be liberals - what do you believe describes your own philosophies more: the willingness to question your former administration, or the signage posted above?

 

 

Edited July 18, 2018 by Azalin

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

Basically.

 

I still think that Trump is a boorish thin skinned narcissist, but it's hard to argue with the results so far.

I've been saying all along, ignore a lot of what he says but look at what he does. He's at his best in two places---the campaign trail (which he's turned into his bully pulpit as president) and the board room. To use an old baseball adage, his way of tackling problems is to get them on, get them over and get them in. With all the forces lined up against him he is still winning.

[TakeYouToTasker]

2 minutes ago, Azalin said:

 

You beat me to the correction, but you're exactly right. I posted in another thread, in one of my little rants that modern leftists are not liberals, and Greg is a perfect example of what I meant.

 

Instead of going off on another rant over the difference between leftist and liberal, I'll simply repost something that we were treated to a few days ago in another thread (sorry - I can't remember exactly who posted it). This is the modern American left:

 

 

 

This is a tremendous contribution.

[3rdnlng]

3 minutes ago, Azalin said:

 

You beat me to the correction, but you're exactly right. I posted in another thread, in one of my little rants that modern leftists are not liberals, and Greg is a perfect example of what I meant.

 

Instead of going off on another rant over the difference between leftist and liberal, I'll simply repost something that we were treated to a few days ago in another thread (sorry - I can't remember exactly who posted it). This is the modern American left:

 

 

Greg has come a long way in the years since we battled here. He's kept the good parts of "liberal" and learned that a substantial part of the liberal idea of 10 years ago was just a shitload of baggage. The work he has done and shared with us is phenomenal. I get a kick out of the idiots who venture down here and think they can do battle with him on any of the deep state related subjects. He's taken their lunch money so many times that he could probably retire.

[Azalin]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

 He's taken their lunch money so many times that he could probably retire.

 

 

 

Well said. If he keeps it up he'll be retiring in some serious style.

 

On a more serious note, Greg is an excellent example of what bridges a real liberal with a true conservative. In most ways, the two are identical. How can one support support all the constitutional rights as a conservative without believing in all the freedoms of a liberal? 

 

People need to stop playing the stupid 'team sports, your guys vs my guys' politics and lean to $%#@ing think.

[TakeYouToTasker]

1 minute ago, Azalin said:

 

 

Well said. If he keeps it up he'll be retiring in some serious style.

 

On a more serious note, Greg is an excellent example of what bridges a real liberal with a true conservative. In most ways, the two are identical. How can one support support all the constitutional rights as a conservative without believing in all the freedoms of a liberal? 

 

People need to stop playing the stupid 'team sports, your guys vs my guys' politics and lean to $%#@ing think.

 

Two for two tonight, sir.

 

Top shelf insight.

[3rdnlng]

9 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Two for two tonight, sir.

 

Top shelf insight.

We all (excluding the idiots) pretty much want the same things and probably don't differ but a few percentage points philosophically on the items that count.

[TakeYouToTasker]

4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

We all (excluding the idiots) pretty much want the same things and probably don't differ but a few percentage points philosophically on the items that count.

 

This is an absolute truism.

[3rdnlng]

A 1, and a 2 and a 3---Kumbaya.  

 

Really, we have a president who 8 years ago was a democrat who has the adoration of the evangelicals, the wall street wizards and the Joe blows. This reincarnation of Andrew Jackson is something that those of us who are at least somewhat new supporters are astounded by. The Never Trumpsters are becoming the Ever Trumpsters. Damn, these are interesting times.

[Azalin]

5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

 Damn, these are interesting times.

 

 

 

It's been called a blessing, a quote, an ancient curse, and is a delightfully funny book by Terry Pratchett: "May you live in interesting times". It seems as if that's exactly where we are right now.

[#34fan]

14 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

Trump's a Nazi, Putin's a commie.

 

 

Nah... I don't see Trump going all Barbarossa on Putin....  He'd probably do North Korea first.

 

15 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

I don't have "loyalties", and neither should you. 

 

And we're not talking about "mistakes" we're talking about a long and storied history of taking direct intentional actions against the lives and interest of the American people.

 

Lying us into Iraq was not a "mistake".

 

The Bay of Pigs was not a "mistake."

 

MKUltra was not a "mistake".

 

Intentionally releasing the whooping cough in the Tampa Bay area was not a "mistake".

 

Intentionally infecting Guatemalans with  syphilis was not a "mistake".

 

Injecting unsuspecting US citizens with plutonium was not a "mistake".

 

Injecting prisoners with the main ingredient of Agent Orange was not a "mistake".

 

Choosing to protect and insulate known pedophiles in government was not a "mistake".

 

Dosing unsuspecting US citizens with LSD was not a "mistake".

 

Overthrowing the governments of Iran, Argentina, Guatemala, the Congo, the Dominican Republic, South Vietnam, and Chile was not a "mistake".

 

Running the global supply of opiates was not a "mistake".

 

These are just a few examples of absolutely egregious and criminal acts undertaken by these same agencies you're claiming it is your patriotic duty to trust, and owe allegiance to.

 

 

 

For me,  it's NOT about the despicable nature of U.S. clandestine operations. -If it were, we'd have something to agree on.

 

This is about Trump's perpetual displays of ineptitude, and political tone-deafness on the world stage... 

 

Every day he showcases his frightening lack of knowledge, skill, and patience for all things political... 

 

He could have opted to STFU next to Putin and go home a winner...

 

But no... -Not Fred Trump's kid.

 

Then, as if  he wasn't disgraced enough, he offers up THE WORST 4th grade nonsense excuse as to why it all went down.

 

Putin was probably ROTFL when he heard that.

 

 

 

Edited July 18, 2018 by #34fan

[GG]

1 hour ago, #34fan said:

 

 

This is about Trump's perpetual displays of ineptitude, and political tone-deafness on the world stage... 

 

Every day he showcases his frightening lack of knowledge, skill, and patience for all things political... 

 

He could have opted to STFU next to Putin and go home a winner...

 

But no... -Not Fred Trump's kid.

 

Then, as if  he wasn't disgraced enough, he offers up THE WORST 4th grade nonsense excuse as to why it all went down.

 

Putin was probably ROTFL when he heard that.

 

 

 

 

It's like you missed all the posts above.

 

It matters very little what Trump says, which is usually moronic.   You have to pay attention to what actually is happening, and on that front, the '80s phone call must have worked, because US has adopted the most aggressive posture against Russia since the Cold War.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

8 hours ago, Azalin said:

 

You beat me to the correction, but you're exactly right. I posted in another thread, in one of my little rants that modern leftists are not liberals, and Greg is a perfect example of what I meant.

 

Instead of going off on another rant over the difference between leftist and liberal, I'll simply repost something that we were treated to a few days ago in another thread (sorry - I can't remember exactly who posted it). This is the modern American left:

 

 

 

There is nothing liberal about those positions at all. Those of you who believe yourselves to be liberals - what do you believe describes your own philosophies more: the willingness to question your former administration, or the signage posted above?

 

 

For all those that think "Democratic Socialism" is different than communism, ask yourself why are they wishing Karl Marx a happy birthday on their poster?

[Bray Wyatt]

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

It's like you missed all the posts above.

 

It matters very little what Trump says, which is usually moronic.   You have to pay attention to what actually is happening, and on that front, the '80s phone call must have worked, because US has adopted the most aggressive posture against Russia since the Cold War.

 

I remember after Trump was elected I was talking to one of my democrat friends. She said she wished for more Obama as he was such a great speaker and Trump is terrible. I told her it matters more what they do than what they say. I then asked her wouldnt you rather have someone who was a terrible speaker who does good things, or a good speaker who does bad things? She chose the latter 

[DC Tom]

Just now, Bray Wyatt said:

 

I remember after Trump was elected I was talking to one of my democrat friends. She said she wished for more Obama as he was such a great speaker and Trump is terrible. I told her it matters more what they do than what they say. I then asked her wouldnt you rather have someone who was a terrible speaker who does good things, or a good speaker who does bad things? She chose the latter 

 

So she chose Hitler?  Over...neo-Hitler?

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

I remember after Trump was elected I was talking to one of my democrat friends. She said she wished for more Obama as he was such a great speaker and Trump is terrible. I told her it matters more what they do than what they say. I then asked her wouldnt you rather have someone who was a terrible speaker who does good things, or a good speaker who does bad things? She chose the latter 

 

There is a tremendous effort put forth by people who worry SO much about how the US looks to the world. They use the same phrases they use for their sports teams: "We're the laughing stock! We're a joke!"

 

Most adults know that what people think of us, as sports fans or Americans, is a waste of time. You can't control many things, but for every person who was embarrassed by Trump this week, there remains a number of thinking adults who let it go because they're smart enough to know how to play the long game.

 

As I mentioned previously, Helsinki will pass and Kavanaugh will be the new cry, and the thinking adults will gain steam because no matter how much a certain party likes to whine and cry and gnash their teeth, thinking adults tire of it quickly.

Edited July 18, 2018 by LABillzFan

[row_33]

just another Summit, basically a total waste of time, as always

 

 

[njbuff]

According to the leftist hateful morons...........

 

Trump was supposed to chokeslam Putin when they got to the podium and declare himself and America the winner as he stands over a fallen Putin with his foot on Putin’s chest.

 

Just another Summit with another meltdown. That’s it.

Edited July 18, 2018 by njbuff

[keepthefaith]

From what most media are reporting, you'd think the meeting with Putin was set to discuss Russian hacking and only Russian hacking. 

[row_33]

22 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

From what most media are reporting, you'd think the meeting with Putin was set to discuss Russian hacking and only Russian hacking. 

 

it's was another pointless Summit, but it's treated like the Second Coming by the media, it's a day they get to hope to be relevent

 

 

[njbuff]

15 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

From what most media are reporting, you'd think the meeting with Putin was set to discuss Russian hacking and only Russian hacking. 

 

According to the MSM brain dead morons...............

 

Trump had horns and a tale, while Putin had a halo over his head.

[row_33]

12 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

According to the MSM brain dead morons...............

 

Trump had horns and a tale, while Putin had a halo over his head.

 

it's the media's job to attack the GOP and smooch the behind of Dems.

 

they are very tendentious in accomplishing both mandates

 

[njbuff]

3 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

it's the media's job to attack the GOP and smooch the behind of Dems.

 

they are very tendentious in accomplishing both mandates

 

Just go back to memory lane and look at how  America’s most wonderful chosen President, Obama, handled Russia.

 

The hypocrisy is astonishing and the haters of Trump are blind to it or just don’t give a ff about how Obama handled it.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[snafu]

On July 17, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Coach Tuesday said:

 

There are 4-5 semi-deranged fascists on this board who have pretty much chased away all remaining objective, rational posters.  They talk to themselves all day and take their own collective agreement as some kind of sign that their "side" is winning the cultural war.  If you confront them with the lunacy of the current POTUS regime, their response is one of the following (i) snark; (ii) "But Obama/Hillary," or (iii) the media/intelligence community/any evidence contrary to their opinion is part of some deep state conspiracy of lies.

 

They are lunatics engaged in a "Fox 'N' Friends" circle jerk on this forum.  If you scroll up in the thread you'll see that they've started to attract the far-right (or far-left) anti-Semitic Lyndon Larouche crowd who think 9/11 was an inside job/manufactured by the Mossad.  This is not a surprise.  Most intelligent, rational posters stay away from this corner of the Wall - what I refer to as TSW's Taint.

 

Thanks for showing Promo around PPP, though that's not how I would have described this place.

 

[IDBillzFan]

19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

When you meltdown about everything, sometimes it's hard to keep track of your hypocrisy.

[snafu]

On July 17, 2018 at 8:27 AM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Rosenstein, a Trump hire btw, may end up a national hero because he actually is standing up to the traitor-in-chief and doing the job he swore to in his oath. (You know, some garbage about protecting the nation from all enemies, yadda yadda.)

 

It's pretty obvious where you and your buddies get your news from. You need to turn off Sean Hannity and drug-addled Rush Limbaugh and see if your brain can recover from all the traitor-loving pablum you get force-fed

 

I'm a day behind on this thread.

What did Trump do (NOT say, but DO) that would make his meeting and press conference with Putin "traitorous"? Nobody knows what they actually discussed. There's no overt change in anything the US Government is doing right now.  I'm just trying to get a handle on this.

And, btw, I don't watch Fox News. When I listen to what Trum said and hear the descriptions of what he said in news outlets I've heard since then (CBS, NPR, BBC) the two don't align, at all.

 

 

Edit: I see on page 21 you cited 18 U.S. Code § 2381.  I think, if memory serves, you need one more person to lay the charge at the President's feet, so he can be tried and put to death.  I'm sure you can find someone.  You'll be considered a hero of our Country. 

 

 

 

Edited July 18, 2018 by snafu

[PromoTheRobot]

49 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

I'm a day behind on this thread.

What did Trump do (NOT say, but DO) that would make his meeting and press conference with Putin "traitorous"? Nobody knows what they actually discussed. There's no overt change in anything the US Government is doing right now.  I'm just trying to get a handle on this.

And, btw, I don't watch Fox News. When I listen to what Trum said and hear the descriptions of what he said in news outlets I've heard since then (CBS, NPR, BBC) the two don't align, at all.

 

 

First of all, why is what Trump said off limits here? He took the word of Vlad Putin over his own intelligence agencies. That's sort of a big deal, no? Especially after 12 Russian national were indicted for hacking the DNC and leaking information. And a young woman is arrested as an unauthorized agent peddling influence with organizations like the NRA. Which is why it's also weird he would take a private meeting, with no US officials attending except for a translator, with Putin, who the CIA, FBI and NSA said orchestrated the election interference campaign. 

 

But I get it. In Trumpyland all the news channels, newspapers, all the Democrats, half the Republicans, the FBI, CIA, NSA and even the Russian press, who described the summit as "Trump licking Putin's boots," are lying. Everyone is in on the deep state conspiracy. Poor Donald.

 

By the way, Jimmy Kimmel happened to find some footage from Fox News 2 years ago after Obama's meeting with Vladdy P.  Fair and balanced, indeed.

 

 

 

Edited July 18, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[njbuff]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

First of all, why is what Trump said off limits here? He took the word of Vlad Putin over his own intelligence agencies. That's sort of a big deal, no? Especially after 12 Russian national were indicted for hacking the DNC and leaking information. And a young woman is arrested as an unauthorized agent peddling influence with organizations like the NRA. Which is why it's also why it's weird he would take a private meeting, with no US officials attending except for a translator, with Putin, who the CIA, FBI and NSA said orchestrated the election interference campaign. 

 

But I get it. In Trumpyland all the news channels, newspapers, all the Democrats, half the Republicans, the FBI, CIA, NSA and even the Russian press, who described the summit as "Trump licking Putin's boots," are lying. Everyone is in on the deep state conspiracy. Poor Donald.

 

By the way, Jimmy Kimmel happened to find some footage from Fox News 2 years ago after Obama's meeting with Vladdy P.  Fair and balanced, indeed.

 

 

 

 

Obama also said he accepted Putin's denial.

 

People like DR bring facts to the table............ it isn't Trumpland, it's "People wanna see justice" land in here.

 

I don't give two craps about political agendas........................ the simplest thing for me to say is................

 

No one is above the law and the protection of the wrongdoers needs to stop, or we don't have a country any more.

[Deranged Rhino]

7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 And a young woman is arrested as an unauthorized agent peddling influence with organizations like the NRA.

 

 

Who indicted her, Promo? It wasn't Mueller. It was Trump's DOJ and his hand picked DAG Liu (a member of his transition team). 

 

Who did this young woman peddle influence for? It wasn't Putin. It was, in fact, Putin's opposition. 

 

Kind of important details, no? Don't you wonder why those salient points are being buried in the reporting on this? 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Who indicted her, Promo? It wasn't Mueller. It was Trump's DOJ and his hand picked DAG Liu (a member of his transition team). 

 

Who did this young woman peddle influence for? It wasn't Putin. It was, in fact, Putin's opposition. 

 

Kind of important details, no? Don't you wonder why those salient points are being buried in the reporting on this? 

 

Torshin is a Putin guy AFAIK. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Torshin is a Putin guy AFAIK. 

 

Read the affadavit. She was peddling a Putin Free Russia.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

Read the affadavit. She was peddling a Putin Free Russia.

 

Sounds like a ruse to me lest she get the Trotsky treatment.   Torshin was handling her.

[Deranged Rhino]

(So, she's either an anti-Putin spy beholden to the neocon-neoliberal handlers in the states - or she's not a spy at all and is in fact a grad student who doesn't know what she's talking about. Considering she's deemed a flight risk, I'd say the latter is probably the least likely of the two)

 

Every communication between her and Torshin referenced in the indictment was made in public on Twitter. If he was handling her, he wasn't doing a good job of keeping it covert. Which says, to me, he wasn't really her handler. Someone else was. 

 

Considering her cozy relationship to Scott Walker and the neocon/neoliberal establishment inside DC, I have the probability as high she was being used to spy on Torshin. 

 

Remember, HRC was running (with support from both sides of the establishment aisle) on preemptively starting a war with Russia. Regime change in Moscow has long been a goal of the neocon/neoliberal establishment. Those plans require knowing who would replace Putin, which means working with his opposition to create a relationship. That's what her role seems to be when examined through the espionage lens.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

Coats says Bolshevik!

[Deranged Rhino]

9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Coats says Bolshevik!

 

I promise you, Coats and Trump are tighter on this issue than you can ever imagine. There are games afoot. 

[snafu]

On July 17, 2018 at 2:01 PM, LABillzFan said:

 

Is that Boston? Because if that's Boston, I'm cool with it.

 

Resembles Boston's album cover

https://goo.gl/images/Kr6foa

 

[Tiberius]

47 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Read the affadavit. She was peddling a Putin Free Russia.

Can you post it please, I can't find it

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Can you post it please, I can't find it

 

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1080766/download