DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I certainly hope not (and I do not think so myself). I'll start to worry when we divide Poland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, GG said: He has cast doubt on the hacking claims. That is important because DNC contends that they were hacked in the summer of 2016, while many independent analysts claim that there was no external hack, but an inside job. That's why it's important to keep the two issues separate for a proper analysis. Yet, you keep conflating. Also on the hacking business, its highly highly suspicious that with all the tools that are available to mask your identity, and masking your identity to a hacker is priority #1, 2, 3....and yet the trail of neon red bread cumbs lead right to the door of the russian hackers? cmon man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 51 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: I think this is a solid 8. Judges? I'd give it a solid 9. He's a damn good drama queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 Literally, the lights went off while Trump was speaking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Racists n Russians. Deflection. Far and away china is what should be keeping Americans awake at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 Trump said the mistake was saying "Would" instead of "wouldn't" when he said "I don't see why it would(n't) be Russia (who hacked the DNC)". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, Kelly101 said: Also on the hacking business, its highly highly suspicious that with all the tools that are available to mask your identity, and masking your identity to a hacker is priority #1, 2, 3....and yet the trail of neon red bread cumbs lead right to the door of the russian hackers? cmon man. So online crimes are completely untraceable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Yeah right! Putin strongly denied involvement and you can only ask the question. Lying MF! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 9 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Most intelligent, rational posters stay away from this corner of the Wall - what I refer to as TSW's Taint. Thank God that 'intelligent' and 'rational' aren't descriptors that have ever been applied to you as a poster. 3 hours ago, Max Fischer said: The President of the United States said his administration, congress and the intelligence community are wrong about Russian election interference and Putin is telling the truth. Yet, many of you see nothing wrong with that. Traitor-on guys! Yeah... that's not what he said. Can you actually post a coherent thought without being dishonest or disingenuous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So online crimes are completely untraceable? Maxine's here. pootin hacked north korea Edited July 17, 2018 by Kelly101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 53 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Your last statement? Yes. Not shooting war, not nuclear war. Fight cyberattacks with cyberattacks. What the hell? Again, do you think Russia would stand idly by and allow us to do this? Or do you think they would respond? If they responded, I'm certain you'd demand further escalation, and so on. Eventually we get here: Is this what you want? Because when you advocate that two nuclear powers go to war, this is what you're advocating for. Full stop. Given this, do you believe diplomatic solutions might be a better course of action? I do, because I'm not a !@#$ing crazy person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, Foxx said: nah, ain't happening. You know who else said that? Stalin! 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Trump said the mistake was saying "Would" instead of "wouldn't" when he said "I don't see why it would(n't) be Russia (who hacked the DNC)". Yeah, I can see that happening. Doesn't make it any less stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHARDTRUTH Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 LMFAO. Trump just said he meant to say wouldnt not would when talking about interference by the Russians. Clearly I dont expect the trumptards to understand what a joke that is. Your illiterate morons. You can barely understand any word that contains two or more syllables. Decades of family inbreeding have left you with the intelligence level of an ameoba. So I really dont think youll understand what a joke this is. This clown isnt gonna make it four years. What an embarrassment. This guy couldnt be more of a clown if he walked out with a red bulbous nose, giant orange feet, a bright red, green, and white clown suit, and clown makeup. Freaking hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 LOL.... "I said would when I meant wouldn't" Just gets worse and worse for you Trumpsheviks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, #34fan said: LOL.... "I said would when I meant wouldn't" Just gets worse and worse for you Trumpsheviks. He'd be a great fit on this board. "That's not what I meant to say when I said what I didn't mean!" He's basically The Gatorman President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: What the hell? Again, do you think Russia would stand idly by and allow us to do this? Or do you think they would respond? If they responded, I'm certain you'd demand further escalation, and so on. Eventually we get here: Is this what you want? Because when you advocate that two nuclear powers go to war, this is what you're advocating for. Full stop. Given this, do you believe diplomatic solutions might be a better course of action? I do, because I'm not a !@#$ing crazy person. Diplomacy would be fine, always the first action. Absolutely. But do you actually think Putin would change his behavior through diplomacy? I think not. I think Putin only responds to a show of strength. Would much rather take your approach, not only with Russia but with North Korea. But with both countries I don't think diplomacy would be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: if everyone else only gets one, absolutely! It's what Hitler would do! Do you know who else had TWO scoops of ice cream? Yeah that's right, Benedict Freakin' Arnold. He demanded TWO scoops to Maj. Andre's ONE scoop when they conspired to turn over West Point to the British. It gets worse. It's a little known fact that Judas, in addition to his 40 pieces of silver, received TWO scoops of ice cream in compensation to betray Jesus. Trump is the worst sort of traitor. TWO scoops, indeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: Diplomacy would be fine, always the first action. Absolutely. But do you actually think Putin would change his behavior through diplomacy? I think not. I think Putin only responds to a show of strength. Would much rather take your approach, not only with Russia but with North Korea. But with both countries I don't think diplomacy would be effective. Based on what evidence? Do you believe that Russia or North Korea want to go to war with a nuclear super power? Or do you think they are rational actors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 52 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: Republicans were outraged when Obama did it, and were yesterday, they are at least consistent Regardless of how you feel about Obama, he never questioned our intelligence agencies in front of a foreign leader at a press conference so I'm confused when you said "when Obama did it." Trump has trouble clearly formulating his thoughts (especially the difference between collusion and election meddling) and that's why you saw those who know him best were begging him to clarify yesterday. Except for Sean Hannity because he's Sean Hannity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: Diplomacy would be fine, always the first action. Absolutely. But do you actually think Putin would change his behavior through diplomacy? I think not. I think Putin only responds to a show of strength. Would much rather take your approach, not only with Russia but with North Korea. But with both countries I don't think diplomacy would be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Based on what evidence? Do you believe that Russia or North Korea want to go to war with a nuclear super power? Or do you think they are rational actors? I certainly think North Korea is irrational. How many administrations have tried to have a dialog with them and yet they are still getting nuclear weapons on board.putin may be more rational but he is like a bully that won't quit until you smack him in the face. Trying to use rational thought processes with irrational people doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Trying to use rational thought processes with irrational people doesn't work. And now you know what it's like having to communicate with Democrats the past two years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Regardless of how you feel about Obama, he never questioned our intelligence agencies in front of a foreign leader at a press conference so I'm confused when you said "when Obama did it." Trump has trouble clearly formulating his thoughts (especially the difference between collusion and election meddling) and that's why you saw those who know him best were begging him to clarify yesterday. Except for Sean Hannity because he's Sean Hannity. I am sorry, I wasnt talking about the intelligence community party when I said Obama did it. So let me clarify, it is the idea of placating/catering to Russia (or the idea that they were). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I'll start to worry when we divide Poland. 56 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Reiterating my "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact" analogy here. We'll be at war with Russia in May of 2020... Just so I know, who's Hitler and who's Stalin in this scenario? Edited July 17, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Most intelligent, rational posters stay away from this corner of the Wall - what I refer to as TSW's Taint. Yes, the intelligence factor goes up so much higher when I read someone at TSW arguing that if you think McCoy is innocent, and it turns out he's guilty, you should be banned from TBD for life. Such high intelligence, it's amazing you could even find your way over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 he has always been America First and is going to implement it in foreign policy hopefully avoid all the blunders made since WW2, so much could have been avoided Yankee come home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: I certainly think North Korea is irrational. How many administrations have tried to have a dialog with them and yet they are still getting nuclear weapons on board.putin may be more rational but he is like a bully that won't quit until you smack him in the face. Trying to use rational thought processes with irrational people doesn't work. This is a perfect segue back into some prior content I posted that you never responded to. The Kim's hands have been tied for decades because the CIA was actively running North Korea as a black site. It's the reason Trump's reformed CIA used was to conduct the recent diplomatic relations there in the build up to Trumps summit instead of State who always fills that role. Kim reached out to the Obama administration seeking exactly the same thing that President Trump successfully negotiated, and Obama ignored him. The DPRK wanted normalized relations for a long time. Only by removing black hat bad actors in our CIA was this able to be achieved. The CIA is not to be trusted. Full stop. Here's a short list of examples of the good work they've done in the world. I'd like you to respond to this, and explain to me why you, I , or anyone else owes them any allegiance. Lying us into Iraq The Bay of Pigs." MKUltra Intentionally releasing the whooping cough in the Tampa Bay area Intentionally infecting Guatemalans with syphilis Injecting unsuspecting US citizens with plutonium Injecting prisoners with the main ingredient of Agent Orange Choosing to protect and insulate known pedophiles in government Dosing unsuspecting US citizens with LSD Overthrowing the governments of Iran, Argentina, Guatemala, the Congo, the Dominican Republic, South Vietnam, and Chile Running the global supply of opiates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, DC Tom said: You know who else said that? Stalin! ... yeah but Putin doesn't have a statue of himself erected so... not entirely true.... 2015 Putin statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Like all services, they have excellent dedicated people and scumbags who jump into the top of the bureaucracy, doing nothing but looking ahead to their next promotion in 2 months time. the excellent people don't want anything to do with the fools on the hill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: This is a perfect segue back into some prior content I posted that you never responded to. The Kim's hands have been tied for decades because the CIA was actively running North Korea as a black site. It's the reason Trump's reformed CIA used was to conduct the recent diplomatic relations there in the build up to Trumps summit instead of State who always fills that role. Kim reached out to the Obama administration seeking exactly the same thing that President Trump successfully negotiated, and Obama ignored him. The DPRK wanted normalized relations for a long time. Only by removing black hat bad actors in our CIA was this able to be achieved. The CIA is not to be trusted. Full stop. Here's a short list of examples of the good work they've done in the world. I'd like you to respond to this, and explain to me why you, I , or anyone else owes them any allegiance. Lying us into Iraq The Bay of Pigs." MKUltra Intentionally releasing the whooping cough in the Tampa Bay area Intentionally infecting Guatemalans with syphilis Injecting unsuspecting US citizens with plutonium Injecting prisoners with the main ingredient of Agent Orange Choosing to protect and insulate known pedophiles in government Dosing unsuspecting US citizens with LSD Overthrowing the governments of Iran, Argentina, Guatemala, the Congo, the Dominican Republic, South Vietnam, and Chile Running the global supply of opiates I would need to research a whole lot of what you've posted here to determine if there's any validity. Dosing citizens with LSD? 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: This is a perfect segue back into some prior content I posted that you never responded to. The Kim's hands have been tied for decades because the CIA was actively running North Korea as a black site. It's the reason Trump's reformed CIA used was to conduct the recent diplomatic relations there in the build up to Trumps summit instead of State who always fills that role. Kim reached out to the Obama administration seeking exactly the same thing that President Trump successfully negotiated, and Obama ignored him. The DPRK wanted normalized relations for a long time. Only by removing black hat bad actors in our CIA was this able to be achieved. The CIA is not to be trusted. Full stop. Here's a short list of examples of the good work they've done in the world. I'd like you to respond to this, and explain to me why you, I , or anyone else owes them any allegiance. Lying us into Iraq The Bay of Pigs." MKUltra Intentionally releasing the whooping cough in the Tampa Bay area Intentionally infecting Guatemalans with syphilis Injecting unsuspecting US citizens with plutonium Injecting prisoners with the main ingredient of Agent Orange Choosing to protect and insulate known pedophiles in government Dosing unsuspecting US citizens with LSD Overthrowing the governments of Iran, Argentina, Guatemala, the Congo, the Dominican Republic, South Vietnam, and Chile Running the global supply of opiates If you're going to try and convince me that the North Koreans are the good guys and we're the bad guys, don't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I certainly think North Korea is irrational. How many administrations have tried to have a dialog with them and yet they are still getting nuclear weapons on board.putin may be more rational but he is like a bully that won't quit until you smack him in the face. Trying to use rational thought processes with irrational people doesn't work. so, the fact that Trump is the first to have an actual dialogue with them, says...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I would need to research a whole lot of what you've posted here to determine if there's any validity. Dosing citizens with LSD? https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a20139782/cia-experiment-programs-lsd/ Read the source material. Edited July 17, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a20139782/cia-experiment-programs-lsd/ Read the source material. it is amazing how the average Joe doesn't know what their government has been doing for so long. 'they are saints, they would never do that.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a20139782/cia-experiment-programs-lsd/ Read the source material. Just looked at it. Bizarre of course. And wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: Just looked at it. Bizarre of course. And wrong. The question you need to ask yourself is this: Would an element of our society that did ALL of those things be worth trusting on THIS matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Foxx said: so, the fact that Trump is the first to have an actual dialogue with them, says...... And have they changed anything? No. And did we have dialog with other administrations with senior level diplomats and other government officials? Yes. And did North Korea change behavior? No. Just now, joesixpack said: The question you need to ask yourself is this: Would an element of our society that did ALL of those things be worth trusting on THIS matter? Over Putin? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a20139782/cia-experiment-programs-lsd/ Read the source material. What about all those other accusations? Whooping cough? Plutonium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: Over Putin? Yes. Then, really, honestly...you're beyond hope and not worth the conversation time. If you can honestly not see the IC lying to you about meddling/hacking/collusion or whatever the "crime" du jour is, then there really is no hope. Best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a20139782/cia-experiment-programs-lsd/ Read the source material. Thhe New Yorker's piece on one of the proponent's heading to trial?? at 81 years of age, don't remember the details exactly... great read... https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/12/17/operation-delirium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I am under no illusion that our government is perfect and that some horrible decisions have been made. But at present the decision has to be made as to what to do about a foreign country interfering with our electoral process. And I certainly side with us vs. them in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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