Nate Peterman 2017 All-22 Analysis by BR

[transplantbillsfan]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2018/6/27/17484226/all-22-analysis-buffalo-bills-quarterback-nathan-peterman-kelvin-benjamin-charles-clay

Beginning

"For this all-22 look, we’ll cut right to the chase. Nathan Peterman has shown some good things along with some bad things. His low volume of game tape (52 pass attempts) makes statistical evaluations exceedingly difficult, so we won’t even try. No one should be selling a definitive “Book of Peterman,” as his trajectory is unknown at this point. What follows are simply notes on the Ghost of Peterman past. Should he elect to undergo Ebenezer Scrooge-like self-evaluation and correction, the Ghost of Peterman future should be a much nicer picture. Because quarterbacks are special, we have a limited edition format for this dive."

 

Click the link for All-22 Analysis of 7 Plays

 

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"Skeptics will likely continue to cringe at the sheer number of things he needs to work on, which is a valid take. Petermaniacs can hang their hat (or ripped muscle shirt) on the fact that repetition should lead to improvements in all of his weak areas. This is also a valid take. More than anyone else in the position group, Peterman exemplifies Schrödinger’s QB."

[dickleyjones]

Schrodinger's QB, eh?

 

so peterman is an example of why quantum mechanics is ridiculous? i don't get it.

[jr1]

I think he'd be okay in a run-heavy offense

[Captain Hindsight]

3 minutes ago, jr1 said:

I think he'd be okay in a run-heavy offense

Last year was a run heavy offense. He sucked

[billsredneck1]

31 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2018/6/27/17484226/all-22-analysis-buffalo-bills-quarterback-nathan-peterman-kelvin-benjamin-charles-clay

Beginning

"For this all-22 look, we’ll cut right to the chase. Nathan Peterman has shown some good things along with some bad things. His low volume of game tape (52 pass attempts) makes statistical evaluations exceedingly difficult, so we won’t even try. No one should be selling a definitive “Book of Peterman,” as his trajectory is unknown at this point. What follows are simply notes on the Ghost of Peterman past. Should he elect to undergo Ebenezer Scrooge-like self-evaluation and correction, the Ghost of Peterman future should be a much nicer picture. Because quarterbacks are special, we have a limited edition format for this dive."

 

Click the link for All-22 Analysis of 7 Plays

 

End

"Skeptics will likely continue to cringe at the sheer number of things he needs to work on, which is a valid take. Petermaniacs can hang their hat (or ripped muscle shirt) on the fact that repetition should lead to improvements in all of his weak areas. This is also a valid take. More than anyone else in the position group, Peterman exemplifies Schrödinger’s QB."

OMG  14 years and i finally gotta figure out the ignore button...wtf   the crusade of tranny continues......

[transplantbillsfan]

4 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

OMG  14 years and i finally gotta figure out the ignore button...wtf   the crusade of tranny continues......

 

[fergie's ire]

2 hours ago, dickleyjones said:

Schrodinger's QB, eh?

 

so peterman is an example of why quantum mechanics is ridiculous? i don't get it.

I think the point is that as a QB prospect he is simultaneously dead and alive.

[Dadonkadonk]

He has a JV arm.  End of story.  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Last year was a run heavy offense. He sucked

 

..so what were your realistic expectations for a 5th round pick anyway?.....just curious.......

[msw2112]

I think the jury is still out on Peterman.  I think it's safe to say that he's not the second coming of Tom Brady, but he still may have some untapped potential and could end up being a competent backup or lower end starter in the league someday.  He may also be out of the league by 2020.  We just don't have enough of a sample size to know, which this article mentions. 

 

For what it's worth, I was at the fateful Chargers game last year, so I had a first-hand view of the debacle.  We were sitting behind the Bills bench and were screaming at the coaches to pull Nate from the game.  Not all of the picks were his fault.  He had very poor pass protection on a couple of them and at least one of the balls bounced off of the receiver's hands (may have been the first one, a pass to DiMarco in the flat, but I'm only going on memory, so don't quote me on this).  I supported the decision to give him a shot, given Tyrod's terrible play the previous 3 weeks, but when it became clear that it was not his day and that he was in over his head in that circumstance (rookie QB making his first start on the road against a very strong pass rush), I wanted him on the bench.  Unfortunately, McD was stubborn and waited until halftime to pull the trigger.  By that time, the Bills were already out of the game.

[Bing Bong]

34 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

He has a JV arm.  End of story.  

That might be true. But he is also dumb as dirt under pressure.

[dickleyjones]

43 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

I think the point is that as a QB prospect he is simultaneously dead and alive.

sigh. journalists just throwing out references without knowing what the hell they are talking about. 

[Bing Bong]

1 minute ago, msw2112 said:

He had very poor pass protection on a couple of them

Then don't throw it!

[NoSaint]

30 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

..so what were your realistic expectations for a 5th round pick anyway?.....just curious.......

 

To suck year 1, and likely most following years. 

3 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Last year was a run heavy offense. He sucked

 

But imagine if we didn’t throw at all- odds are he could really clean up the interception issue

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

But imagine if we didn’t throw at all- odds are he could really clean up the interception issue

 

Taking a knee removes the fumble possibility as well! Not his specialty, but another fear. We may be on to something. 

 

For some reason I like him more than I probably should, like Trent Edwards. But I will face the reality of the situation.... 

[Bing Bong]

"Bad luck resulted in five interceptions. "

 

huh?

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Last year was a run heavy offense. He sucked

so did the run heavy offense

15 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

That might be true. But he is also dumb as dirt under pressure.

not true.

just not good under pressure.
and how is it you have knowledge about the IQ of dirt ?
Maybe you meant Turf ?

18 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

I think the jury is still out on Peterman.  I think it's safe to say that he's not the second coming of Tom Brady, but he still may have some untapped potential and could end up being a competent backup or lower end starter in the league someday.  He may also be out of the league by 2020.  We just don't have enough of a sample size to know, which this article mentions. 

 

For what it's worth, I was at the fateful Chargers game last year, so I had a first-hand view of the debacle.  We were sitting behind the Bills bench and were screaming at the coaches to pull Nate from the game.  Not all of the picks were his fault.  He had very poor pass protection on a couple of them and at least one of the balls bounced off of the receiver's hands (may have been the first one, a pass to DiMarco in the flat, but I'm only going on memory, so don't quote me on this).  I supported the decision to give him a shot, given Tyrod's terrible play the previous 3 weeks, but when it became clear that it was not his day and that he was in over his head in that circumstance (rookie QB making his first start on the road against a very strong pass rush), I wanted him on the bench.  Unfortunately, McD was stubborn and waited until halftime to pull the trigger.  By that time, the Bills were already out of the game.

It was DiMarco. once of the worst plays of his life i might guess. after that ? all hell broke loose.
 

would been cool to see the sideline camera on Dennison all game. maybe MCd too. Ha hah

16 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

To suck year 1, and likely most following years. 

 

But imagine if we didn’t throw at all- odds are he could really clean up the interception issue

even though you are a tough nut at times ? 

 This is reasonably funny. I smiled, ty

[Bing Bong]

3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

so did the run heavy offense

not true.

just not good under pressure.
and how is it you have knowledge about the IQ of dirt ?
Maybe you meant Turf ?

Yeah set your bar at 3 picks under pressure as not good.

[3rdand12]

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Taking a knee removes the fumble possibility as well! Not his specialty, but another fear. We may be on to something. 

 

For some reason I like him more than I probably should, like Trent Edwards. But I will face the reality of the situation.... 

we always root for the laundry i hope. Even Jordan Mills ( as a backup)

 If he did not have bad luck that game, he wouldn't have no luck at all !

 Go Nathan  Peterman

 Go Bills !

1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Yeah set your bar at 3 picks under pressure as not good.

nope it wasn't good at all.
After i stopped screaming at the McDermott on my TV to pull the kid and put a tourniquet on the Boy. I realized he must been crushed<
and yet here he is battling for the QB start this season  !!
How can ya not like him ?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Another useless thread bitching about the Chargers game over and over again.  

 

? ? 

[transplantbillsfan]

31 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

we always root for the laundry i hope. Even Jordan Mills ( as a backup)

 If he did not have bad luck that game, he wouldn't have no luck at all !

 Go Nathan  Peterman

 Go Bills !

 

Exactly.

 

There are clearly fans here who root more for or against players than anything, but despite being utter dog dung against the Chargers, every time Peterman took the field with the 1st string offense, I convinced (deluded...?) myself that he would find a way to pull a complete 180 and look like a viable Franchise QB who could eventually lead us to the promised land.

 

That didn't happen.

 

But if he starts for us this year from the beginning, I'll do the same: trust McDermott's judgement, root for the laundry, and Billieve in the guy under center, even if I'm incredibly apprehensive about him.

[NoSaint]

52 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Taking a knee removes the fumble possibility as well! Not his specialty, but another fear. We may be on to something. 

 

For some reason I like him more than I probably should, like Trent Edwards. But I will face the reality of the situation.... 

 

Nothing wrong with liking him as a possible long shot- it’s the guys that jump straight to thinking day 3 QBs will probably work out that might benefit from a deep breathe. its fun to watch a project. It sucks to obsess about one.

[msw2112]

54 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

It was DiMarco. once of the worst plays of his life i might guess. after that ? all hell broke loose.
 

would been cool to see the sideline camera on Dennison all game. maybe MCd too. Ha hah

 

Being behind the Bills bench, but back a few rows, we could see everything.  After every pick, Peterman came back to the bench and sat there with Dennison (I think, unless it was the QB coach) and calmly went over plays on a tablet.  The bench was pretty empty, except for those 2 at the end.  All the while, Taylor was pacing around, helmet in hand.  I think Tyrod knew that Nate was having a rough go and respectfully stayed out of the way.  As this situation played itself out over and over, we, as fans, got more and more upset.  We were screaming for the hook.  It was surreal (or maybe we just had a few too many Blues or California IPAs).  The sky was falling and nobody was doing anything about it.  I am a big McD fan, but this was not his finest hour.  We couldn't see McD's face too much, as his back was to us, but he could hear the jeers from the crowd and his body language though the entire 1st half suggested that he was resolute in his stance and not going to bend and yank Peterman.

Edited June 29, 2018 by msw2112

[transplantbillsfan]

6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Another useless thread bitching about the Chargers game over and over again.  

 

? ? 

 

Weird... the article isn't entirely critical of Peterman and actually leaves ambiguity here.

 

Another useless irrelevant post bitching about a thread just because of personal feelings.

 

You're definitely one of a small handful of posters on this message board one could point to in order to define the word Curmudgeon.

 

Nice to see you still feel so much affection for me, though

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Exactly.

 

There are clearly fans here who root more for or against players than anything, but despite being utter dog dung against the Chargers, every time Peterman took the field with the 1st string offense, I convinced (deluded...?) myself that he would find a way to pull a complete 180 and look like a viable Franchise QB who could eventually lead us to the promised land.

 

That didn't happen.

 

But if he starts for us this year from the beginning, I'll do the same: trust McDermott's judgement, root for the laundry, and Billieve in the guy under center, even if I'm incredibly apprehensive about him.

 

I cant wait to see you watch a good Bills qb. 

 

Will you start twice as many threads? Or stop starting them completely because you don’t need to talk yourself into believing? Or hate the guy?

 

 

[3rdand12]

9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Exactly.

 

There are clearly fans here who root more for or against players than anything, but despite being utter dog dung against the Chargers, every time Peterman took the field with the 1st string offense, I convinced (deluded...?) myself that he would find a way to pull a complete 180 and look like a viable Franchise QB who could eventually lead us to the promised land.

 

That didn't happen.

 

But if he starts for us this year from the beginning, I'll do the same: trust McDermott's judgement, root for the laundry, and Billieve in the guy under center, even if I'm incredibly apprehensive about him.

my  Life Coach said its normal for Bills Fans. The apprehension, i meant mostly.

Being a Bills Fan means suspending reality at times and living on just hope.

and Then !

 

we just made the Playoffs !

 

 Screw you Life Coach !!

S B bound and determined 

[Lfod]

 What the team has at QB is some potential, a hope and dream. You got a vet that's been a back up. You got a rookie that crashed on the first test run. You have a high draft pick that hasn't been NFL tested yet. 

 

I'm thinking it doesn't matter who gets the start because I'm thinking there will be struggles regulardless. You have a new OC and system. You have Shady Mcoy. 

 

I am open minded, but I don't think it's all going to be put together and working by the first game. So I hope one of the QBs can come in and start overcoming the hurdles. 

 

I think McDermott can surprise because he is a detailed guy. So I'm not writing anything off. I'm hoping Daboll is a wizard and not a huckster. 

 

 

Edited June 29, 2018 by Lfod

[transplantbillsfan]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

I cant wait to see you watch a good Bills qb. 

 

Will you start twice as many threads? Or stop starting them completely because you don’t need to talk yourself into believing? Or hate the guy?

 

 

 

I watched Jim Kelly from the moment I became a Bills fan in 1988 to 1996.

 

I've seen a HOFer at QB in a Bills uniform.

 

I know what it looks like, thanks.

 

I'll never hate a Bills QB.

 

I don't hate Peterman.

 

I didn't love Taylor.

 

I don't love Allen, though I'm excited about his prospects.

 

I'm definitely more of a positive person than so many on here, though. Being a sports fan is supposed to be enjoyable, so I enjoy watching every minute of every game the Bills play, even when we absolutely suck like in 2010 when we were 4-12 and were out of even remote playoff contention in October.

 

You can whine and complain if you want, I'll be positive, thank you very much... maybe it's the Hawaiian sun that does it for me. Even if Peterman starts (I don't want him to, just like I desperately hated the idea of drafting Allen), I'll manage to be positive about it.

 

Sorry if that bothers you. Feel free to do what redneck claims he's now going to do and what Shady has clearly unsuccessfully been doing for a long time and ignore me.

[Boca BIlls]

The one guy who will never start gets so much attention. 

[NoSaint]

9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I watched Jim Kelly from the moment I became a Bills fan in 1988 to 1996.

 

I've seen a HOFer at QB in a Bills uniform.

 

I know what it looks like, thanks.

 

I'll never hate a Bills QB.

 

I don't hate Peterman.

 

I didn't love Taylor.

 

I don't love Allen, though I'm excited about his prospects.

 

I'm definitely more of a positive person than so many on here, though. Being a sports fan is supposed to be enjoyable, so I enjoy watching every minute of every game the Bills play, even when we absolutely suck like in 2010 when we were 4-12 and were out of even remote playoff contention in October.

 

You can whine and complain if you want, I'll be positive, thank you very much... maybe it's the Hawaiian sun that does it for me. Even if Peterman starts (I don't want him to, just like I desperately hated the idea of drafting Allen), I'll manage to be positive about it.

 

Sorry if that bothers you. Feel free to do what redneck claims he's now going to do and what Shady has clearly unsuccessfully been doing for a long time and ignore me.

 

Are we back to this again?

 

I’ll say it takes you over 5 angry replies to realize I was just joking with you again, and we all lose for having to sit through it. 

[Doc Brown]

I love how there was a QB competition brewing last year and it was completely over in ninety minutes or so.  Never saw that happen before.  He's obviously better than what he showed and am hoping all three QB's do well this preseason making it a difficult decision for the coaches.

[Doc]

What was his ball velocity after working with Tom House?  That's what I want to know.

[Lfod]

20 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I watched Jim Kelly from the moment I became a Bills fan in 1988 to 1996.

 

I've seen a HOFer at QB in a Bills uniform.

 

I know what it looks like, thanks.

 

I'll never hate a Bills QB.

 

I don't hate Peterman.

 

I didn't love Taylor.

 

I don't love Allen, though I'm excited about his prospects.

 

I'm definitely more of a positive person than so many on here, though. Being a sports fan is supposed to be enjoyable, so I enjoy watching every minute of every game the Bills play, even when we absolutely suck like in 2010 when we were 4-12 and were out of even remote playoff contention in October.

 

You can whine and complain if you want, I'll be positive, thank you very much... maybe it's the Hawaiian sun that does it for me. Even if Peterman starts (I don't want him to, just like I desperately hated the idea of drafting Allen), I'll manage to be positive about it.

 

Sorry if that bothers you. Feel free to do what redneck claims he's now going to do and what Shady has clearly unsuccessfully been doing for a long time and ignore me.

I don't think Peterman starting is a high percentage probability to be honest. It's not something I would bet on. I just don't rule it out because he appears to still be in the mix. He might still have something to show. I don't think he survives another disaster. If it happens I would that he's done. 

 

 

 

Edited June 29, 2018 by Lfod

[Steptide]

23 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I don't think Peterman starting is a high percentage probability to be honest. It's not something I would bet on. I just don't rule it out because he appears to still be in the mix. He might still have something to show. I don't think he survives another disaster. If it happens I would that he's done. 

 

 

 

I don't think him starting is that far fetched either. If McCarron isn't good and Allen isn't ready, Peterman is our best hope. I've said it before, and as ridiculous as it may sound, Peterman is the most nfl proven qb we have on our roster. 

[artmalibu]

In a little over a month we will see Peterman in preseason games, we should hold judgement till then.  

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

Are we back to this again?

 

I’ll say it takes you over 5 angry replies to realize I was just joking with you again, and we all lose for having to sit through it. 

 

I guess we are. 

 

That was poor joking... or I should say it was not the "haha for all" type of joke, it was more "I'm going to be a condescending jerk to you because I think it's funny and others (not you) will think it's funny, too" type of joke.

 

So you pretty much asked for a response like that from me.

Edited June 29, 2018 by transplantbillsfan

[NoSaint]

7 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I guess we are. 

 

That was poor joking.., or I should say it was not the "haha for all" type of joke, it was more "I'm going to be a condescending jerk to you because I think it's funny and others (not you) will think it's funny, too" type of joke.

 

So you pretty much asked for a response like that from me.

 

I’ll count this as 2 of 5

[RocCityRoller]

6 hours ago, dickleyjones said:

Schrodinger's QB, eh?

 

so peterman is an example of why quantum mechanics is ridiculous? i don't get it.

 

He is like subatomic particles, they react differently when observed. ?

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

 

I’ll count this as 2 of 5

 

Was I wrong?

[Augie]

3 hours ago, Boca BIlls said:

The one guy who will never start gets so much attention. 

 

ME?

 

I thought I was pretty much under the radar! 

 

We have no clue at this point....but we have so much time to ponder. It’s that time of year, but it seems tougher when it’s thw QB that is the big question mark.