Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

[_Underscore_]

I don’t agree about the "competitive spirit" thing.  Maybe it’s just me, but the thing I like best about Peterman is his resilience.  Get cut from Tennessee and keep plugging at Pitt.  Throw interceptions at SD and keep plugging in the snow.  My impression is that he is happy to play when called on, but humble enough to be genuinely be happy to support the starter when it’s his time to hold a clipboard.  He doesn’t pout.  Maybe it’s a faith thing for him.  As Reich was to Kelly, Peterman can be to Allen.  A real team guy – a process guy.

 

Call me naïve, but I believe Peterman wants to play well AND wants Allen to do well too.  I don't think it's too far fetched to believe Peterman could knowingly be content to play a role in the team rather than only be a star. 

 

Incidentally, I don’t get that feel from AJM.  (just my opinion)

 

[Lfod]

9 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Not denying that he was pressured, I pointed that out without the help of Cover 1 in one of my earlier posts.

 

 

This likely helped lend weight to the perception that Allen was fighting for his life every play, while playing with a lineup completely consisting of third string O-linemen serving as his protection---neither of which were true.

 

 

As far as "confirmation bias in action":

 

 

Allen narrowly avoided a sack from extreme pressure from a blitz package twice, pulled down and ran to avoid what could've turned into a coverage sack once from what I saw, and was sacked because of Keith Ford, the RB, not the O-line. Every other play he was afforded adequate to good (in some cases very good) pass protection; the pass protection was not comparable to the O-line he played behind at Wyoming, as was suggested. If there is anything I would clear up, it is that Allen played 'hero ball' and that he had sufficient time to make ANY throw, more accurately, he had sufficient time to make a positive play from the pocket the majority of his snaps, pressured or not; Allen chose to forgo the easier completion in favor of the more difficult, contested completion many times.
 

 

• Peterman didn't face a strong pass rush in this game, but of what he did face, he negated it with quick completions. 
• Peterman completed both of his downfield attempts, the TD to Benjamin and the would-have been TD to Streater, which was called back on an offensive interference penalty.
• McCarron missed on both of his deep shots downfield, one to Brandon Reilly and the other to Streater (?).
• Allen "should have completed" three bombs, but at least one of them, he threw five yards out of bounds along the sideline.
• Of Allen's 19 pass attempts, not one demonstrated touch. 

 

 

Confirmation bias against Peterman, in favor of Josh Allen, I know you see it...it's impossible to miss. 

 

 

It's exactly what it is. I have no trouble seeing it at all as I read this thread. It almost has the feel of crusading when people excuse away Petermans performance and make excuses for Josh Allen. It's that simple, dismiss then make excuses. It's not what is happening in reality. 

 

Josh Allen is the project. Coach McDermott is bringing him along at a good pace. Get his feet wet playing 3rd string in a preseason game. Great Josh Allen proved a lot in that game. Now you can involve Josh Allen more. I don't think that justified making him the instant starter.

 

Don't forget it was Nate Peterman that was almost perfect in his performance. One poorly thrown ball out of 10 perfect strikes. If anyone is earning that start role it's Nate Peterman guys. Quit dismissing his perfect Peterman performance.

 

I think Coach McDermott is very intelligent and I believe he will hedge his bets. I doubt he goes all in starting Allen like the people on this board want. Although I think Josh Allen's performance has impressed McDermott and I think Coach will add more weight now. 

 

I think Josh Allen is the future. I think he has earned the right to carry more weight but right now like Burple says. This is Petermans team right now and will be all season until the Bills are out and Coach has lost faith in Peterman completely.

 

Don't worry though because AJMcCarron isn't going to cut it and chances are Peterman will sit out a game or two and Josh Allen will be his backup. When this happens even Peterman haters will be wishing him a speedy recovery when Josh Allen hits the field still an unfinished product. 

Edited August 15, 2018 by Lfod

[Wily Dog]

I have never said that Allen will start  because of his draft status, he will start when  he is ready , meaning that  McBeane and Daboll are convinced he is ready. The only thing that could  derail this is injury either to Peterman or Allen.

[Lfod]

15 minutes ago, Wily Dog said:

I have never said that Allen will start  because of his draft status, he will start when  he is ready , meaning that  McBeane and Daboll are convinced he is ready. The only thing that could  derail this is injury either to Peterman or Allen.

I think everyone having thier favorites muddied the waters. As if right now I give Peterman the nod to start. That is just my personal opinion. 

 

I don't want to downplay Josh Allen to prop my guy up. I can definitely acknowledge that Josh Allen showed some things to get excited about. Does that make him a perfectly oiled football machine just yet? I dunno I always had the thought that it might take some grooming to adjust to the NFL from college. Some guys are more natural then others. 

 

Josh Allen made plays. I'm excited asbout that. First round pick bust is not a concern with Josh Allen so much anymore right? So I can think my QB Peterman was almost if not perfect in his showing and say Josh Allen still fought hard and wowed me as well as a potential future QB when he is more fine tuned. 

 

Trust me, Josh Allen can win the job. If he goes out with the starters and has an almost perfect showing in preseason I think I would be whistling a different tune. 

Edited August 15, 2018 by Lfod

[Alphadawg7]

7 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

  i agree...and nothing against ajm. i think i read here earlier that nate went 12-15 and 3 tds. in practice. these are the stats i wanna see from our starter. the reason i give the nod over ajm is that i see nate as being the kind of guy that can put together an 80 yd. 7 or 8 for 10 with a score in roughly 2 mins. t.o.p.

 

Why do you think that about NP?  Not one thing NP has shown on tape suggests that.  In fact, the biggest risk of NP is how long it takes for the ball to get there.  If he isnt perfect on his throws they will be timed and picked off.  He also throws poorly under duress.  

 

People are WAY over valuing one drive in the first preseason game playing against some starters who are playing a weak and vanilla defense.  They are simultaneously ignoring every other flaw he has demonstrated over his career thus far.  

 

He also made a poor pass, that was late, high, and behind Ivory leading to a turnover.  Again, if he isnt perfect he doesnt have the physical gifts to make up for it.  So while I am sure he will lay some nice passes in here or there, he is also a high risk to turn the ball over.  If he is late on an outside throw, then hello pick 6 because he won't be able to zip it in there.  He has a very low ceiling IMO where as AJM has more of a skill set to have a higher ceiling.  

 

But in the end...who really cares.  This is Josh Allens team...these two guys are just playing til Allen takes their job.  So I dont get the obsession between NP and AJM right now, its almost irrelevant as they are not our future.  At best, they are trade bait if they can just be ok out there.  

Edited August 15, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I think well of Peterman obviously, but how does the comment show 'blind love' for Peterman?

 

What are you even suggesting about Peterman and/or Allen with that comment?

 

I think it's fair to want anything that Allen gets to be earned and not simply handed to him by reason of his throwing power and draft status; I think he needs to show and prove that he's fit for the starting position just as anyone else on the roster would have to.

 

There's one side of Bills' fans that believe Allen should be held out until deemed ready to perform.

 

There's another that you would have to logically believe, feels Allen most definitely should be given full control by next season regardless of anything, if he isn't thrust into the starting role this year, trial by fire, as they wish.

 

Just addressing the latter, if either QB, McCarron or Peterman, performed admirably this season as starter, but the starting duty was handed to Allen the next, he failed to play up to expectations that season, and McCarron or Peterman were still viable options, waiting in the wings, as Allen struggled through year three, then I believe you'd have to have the courage to go away from him, even if just to get the ship righted for that season.

 

In short, the success of the team should not be sacrificed for the sake of getting Josh Allen on the field.

 

This seems to be an idea that many Bills' fans simply toss to the side.

 

This is Grade A trolling. Belongs in the Troll of Fame. 

[Lfod]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Why do you think that about NP?  Not one thing NP has shown on tape suggests that.  In fact, the biggest risk of NP is how long it takes for the ball to get there.  If he isnt perfect on his throws they will be timed and picked off.  He also throws poorly under duress.  

 

People are WAY over valuing one drive in the first preseason game playing against some starters who are playing a weak and vanilla defense.  They are simultaneously ignoring every other flaw he has demonstrated over his career thus far.  

 

He also made a poor pass, that was late, high, and behind Ivory leading to a turnover.  Again, if he isnt perfect he doesnt have the physical gifts to make up for it.  So while I am sure he will lay some nice passes in here or there, he is also a high risk to turn the ball over.  If he is late on an outside throw, then hello pick 6 because he won't be able to zip it in there.  He has a very low ceiling IMO where as AJM has more of a skill set to have a higher ceiling.  

 

But in the end...who really cares.  This is Josh Allens team...these two guys are just playing til Allen takes their job.  So I dont get the obsession between NP and AJM right now, its almost irrelevant as they are not our future.  At best, they are trade bait if they can just be ok out there.  

I don't dismiss your concerns. I have them myself. It was a big part of Petermans debut into the NFL. 5 interceptions is a tattoo on his NFL career. A hard stain to wash off. 

 

I agree Nate was a big part of his interception problem. You are correct. If he starts I do believe he will throw interceptions during the season. It's a big part of his play style. He drop back and he fires and sometimes those passes lack some strength. 

 

The only difference is that I believe he has improved some. He strung together a couple of very nice drives in preseason all passing. Yes he threw the interception. It dissapointed me. I made sure to see it on video a few times. 

 

I can't help but to be intrigued by the way he reads the field and is able to connect. It's a special trait that I think Coach is also attracted to. 

 

Actually to me it's just another Tyrod Taylor situation. You have a QB that has a special trait. A skill that can't be denied. You take a shot on that guy hoping everything else falls into play. 

 

The only problem with guys like this is that you do need to game plan for matchups and flaws. A big weakness I now lay solely at Rick Dennisons feet. 

[BurpleBull]

58 minutes ago, Lfod said:

It's exactly what it is. I have no trouble seeing it at all as I read this thread. It almost has the feel of crusading when people excuse away Petermans performance and make excuses for Josh Allen. It's that simple, dismiss then make excuses. It's not what is happening in reality. 

 

Josh Allen is the project. Coach McDermott is bringing him along at a good pace. Get his feet wet playing 3rd string in a preseason game. Great Josh Allen proved a lot in that game. Now you can involve Josh Allen more. I don't think that justified making him the instant starter.

 

Don't forget it was Nate Peterman that was almost perfect in his performance. One poorly thrown ball out of 10 perfect strikes. If anyone is earning that start role it's Nate Peterman guys. Quit dismissing his perfect Peterman performance.

 

I think Coach McDermott is very intelligent and I believe he will hedge his bets. I doubt he goes all in starting Allen like the people on this board want. Although I think Josh Allen's performance has impressed McDermott and I think Coach will add more weight now. 

 

I think Josh Allen is the future. I think he has earned the right to carry more weight but right now like Burple says. This is Petermans team right now and will be all season until the Bills are out and Coach has lost faith in Peterman completely.

 

Don't worry though because AJMcCarron isn't going to cut it and chances are Peterman will sit out a game or two and Josh Allen will be his backup. When this happens even Peterman haters will be wishing him a speedy recovery when Josh Allen hits the field still an unfinished product. 

 

The bolded.

 

Such a simple statement, yet holds so much weight in my opinion.

 

I think the mini camp and training camp performances, mainly versus the third team defense, have caused people to forget that he was considered an unrefined project out of college, not a ready-made starting QB out of the box.

 

As the excitement grows for Allen, you get more and more posts that talk up Allen and downplay the other QB's regardless of facts.

 

Great post.

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by BurpleBull

[keepthefaith]

36 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

 

He also made a poor pass, that was late, high, and behind Ivory leading to a turnover.  Again, if he isnt perfect he doesnt have the physical gifts to make up for it.  So while I am sure he will lay some nice passes in here or there, he is also a high risk to turn the ball over.  If he is late on an outside throw, then hello pick 6 because he won't be able to zip it in there.  He has a very low ceiling IMO where as AJM has more of a skill set to have a higher ceiling.  

 

But in the end...who really cares.  This is Josh Allens team...these two guys are just playing til Allen takes their job.  So I dont get the obsession between NP and AJM right now, its almost irrelevant as they are not our future.  At best, they are trade bait if they can just be ok out there.  

The arm's a concern but McCarron's is very similar and at least in what we saw the other night AJ looked a bit slower in making the decision to throw.  Nate looks like the slightly better athlete/runner than AJ to me.   Ceiling of these two is probably more similar.

 

Did anyone look closely at the film of Nate from the Carolina game and see that he seemed in such a hurry to make some throws that he was still almost back peddling when he started the throwing motion?  Seems like that is something to be corrected and may help his velocity.

 

He's a young dude, just 24.  He can still improve, but yeah this is Allen's team when he shows he's ready. 

[Figster]

8 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

The arm's a concern but McCarron's is very similar and at least in what we saw the other night AJ looked a bit slower in making the decision to throw.  Nate looks like the slightly better athlete/runner than AJ to me.   Ceiling of these two is probably more similar.

 

Did anyone look closely at the film of Nate from the Carolina game and see that he seemed in such a hurry to make some throws that he was still almost back peddling when he started the throwing motion?  Seems like that is something to be corrected and may help his velocity.

 

He's a young dude, just 24.  He can still improve, but yeah this is Allen's team when he shows he's ready. 

 Is it slower decision making by McCarron or a QB going through his progressions? 

 

 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

Again, it is a just a matter of time. I know that I sound like a broken record but this is Allen’s team. It’s a matter of when not if. He is the highest selected QB in team history. They used a 1st and 2 2nds to trade up for him. He will be playing whenever they feel he’s ready. They are certainly trying to get a better idea by sliding him up to the 2nd unit. That was a good decision for his development. He needs to play with, and against, NFL players. If he plays this week like he did last week I would think that he’s starting sooner than later. He can just do things that very, very few QBs can do. Allen will take some lumps as a rookie (just like Wentz did) but the hope is that the lightbulb goes off (like it did for Wentz). Allen has superstar potential. I always thought that they’d go for a higher floor, lower ceiling prospect (Rosen or Mayfield) but they did the opposite. 

Edited August 15, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, Lfod said:

I don't dismiss your concerns. I have them myself. It was a big part of Petermans debut into the NFL. 5 interceptions is a tattoo on his NFL career. A hard stain to wash off. 

 

I agree Nate was a big part of his interception problem. You are correct. If he starts I do believe he will throw interceptions during the season. It's a big part of his play style. He drop back and he fires and sometimes those passes lack some strength. 

 

The only difference is that I believe he has improved some. He strung together a couple of very nice drives in preseason all passing. Yes he threw the interception. It dissapointed me. I made sure to see it on video a few times. 

 

I can't help but to be intrigued by the way he reads the field and is able to connect. It's a special trait that I think Coach is also attracted to. 

 

Actually to me it's just another Tyrod Taylor situation. You have a QB that has a special trait. A skill that can't be denied. You take a shot on that guy hoping everything else falls into play. 

 

The only problem with guys like this is that you do need to game plan for matchups and flaws. A big weakness I now lay solely at Rick Dennisons feet. 

If your not concerned with Ints why not just go with Allen.  He will have some poor Ints but will have some incredible passes as well.  

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Lfod said:

I don't dismiss your concerns. I have them myself. It was a big part of Petermans debut into the NFL. 5 interceptions is a tattoo on his NFL career. A hard stain to wash off. 

 

I agree Nate was a big part of his interception problem. You are correct. If he starts I do believe he will throw interceptions during the season. It's a big part of his play style. He drop back and he fires and sometimes those passes lack some strength. 

 

The only difference is that I believe he has improved some. He strung together a couple of very nice drives in preseason all passing. Yes he threw the interception. It dissapointed me. I made sure to see it on video a few times. 

 

I can't help but to be intrigued by the way he reads the field and is able to connect. It's a special trait that I think Coach is also attracted to. 

 

Actually to me it's just another Tyrod Taylor situation. You have a QB that has a special trait. A skill that can't be denied. You take a shot on that guy hoping everything else falls into play. 

 

The only problem with guys like this is that you do need to game plan for matchups and flaws. A big weakness I now lay solely at Rick Dennisons feet. 

 

Fair enough, and I have nothing against him, just not convinced he has the tools to be a consistent starter in the league.  

1 hour ago, keepthefaith said:

The arm's a concern but McCarron's is very similar and at least in what we saw the other night AJ looked a bit slower in making the decision to throw.  Nate looks like the slightly better athlete/runner than AJ to me.   Ceiling of these two is probably more similar.

 

Did anyone look closely at the film of Nate from the Carolina game and see that he seemed in such a hurry to make some throws that he was still almost back peddling when he started the throwing motion?  Seems like that is something to be corrected and may help his velocity.

 

He's a young dude, just 24.  He can still improve, but yeah this is Allen's team when he shows he's ready. 

 

I agree that the one thing that NP i think does better than AJM right now is make quicker decisions.  But NP also has more time with the team and roster, so that might be part of the reason.  

 

I have nothing against either QB and was impressed by both their first performances.  But my gut feels like AJM has more of a shot at being an effective starter.  

 

Im just not overly stressed on it cuz it’s all about Allen really.  So I’m just hoping one of these 2 play well enough to fetch us some trade value.

[Wagon Circler]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Why do you think that about NP?  Not one thing NP has shown on tape suggests that.  In fact, the biggest risk of NP is how long it takes for the ball to get there.  If he isnt perfect on his throws they will be timed and picked off.  He also throws poorly under duress.  

 

People are WAY over valuing one drive in the first preseason game playing against some starters who are playing a weak and vanilla defense.  They are simultaneously ignoring every other flaw he has demonstrated over his career thus far.  

 

He also made a poor pass, that was late, high, and behind Ivory leading to a turnover.  Again, if he isnt perfect he doesnt have the physical gifts to make up for it.  So while I am sure he will lay some nice passes in here or there, he is also a high risk to turn the ball over.  If he is late on an outside throw, then hello pick 6 because he won't be able to zip it in there.  He has a very low ceiling IMO where as AJM has more of a skill set to have a higher ceiling.  

 

But in the end...who really cares.  This is Josh Allens team...these two guys are just playing til Allen takes their job.  So I dont get the obsession between NP and AJM right now, its almost irrelevant as they are not our future.  At best, they are trade bait if they can just be ok out there.  

Which QB played the best? Nate Peterman! Just saying let the QB that looks the best get the job. Nate has taken an early lead. Don't say his performance was overvalued when everyone is making a big deal over two good throws Allen made against a third team defense.

[Alphadawg7]

6 minutes ago, Wagon Circler said:

Which QB played the best? Nate Peterman! Just saying let the QB that looks the best get the job. Nate has taken an early lead. Don't say his performance was overvalued when everyone is making a big deal over two good throws Allen made against a third team defense.

 

Um I didn’t say Allen played better.  I said NP had one good drive (against a vanilla D) then 2 throws into his 2nd made a bad throw that was another turnover.  Hey if he wins the job, great I have  nothing against him.  But people need to calm down over one drive, he gave the ball away the very next drive again.

Edited August 15, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[transplantbillsfan]

On 8/13/2018 at 7:59 AM, BurpleBull said:

 

If Peterman has another solid performance against CLE, I think he gets the nod.

 

Keeping my fingers crossed.

 

 

Against 3rd stringers?

 

Do you think Peterman starts on Friday?

 

AJ is up in the rotation and Allen has been getting 1st and 2nd string reps largely since last week's game. Looking like Allen gets some of those reps in the Cleveland game.

[HappyDays]

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-7-observations-from-2018-buffalo-bills-training-camp-day-15

 

As for the other two quarterbacks, Nathan Peterman and A.J. McCarron flipped responsibilities from how the Bills positioned them on Monday.  Peterman worked with the third-team offense on Monday and was with the top unit on Tuesday -- and vice versa for McCarron. Peterman went 9-of-9 while taking a pair of sacks with the ones, and McCarron was 9-of-12 with the third unit. Neither player has done anything to cancel themselves out of the competition to be the starting quarterback, which further complicates Sean McDermott's ultimate decision.

 

I still think one of them starts the season. They aren't making the decision any easier but this is what you call a good problem to have.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Mat68 said:

If your not concerned with Ints why not just go with Allen.  He will have some poor Ints but will have some incredible passes as well.  

 

Sums it all up right here.

 

Peterman's INTs will be because he's very limited.

 

Allen's INTs will be because he's trying to figure out his limits.

 

The only way you figure out your limits in the NFL is testing them in live game action.

 

That's the basic reason Allen starts sooner rather than later. Maybe not in Baltimore (though I think that's still pretty likely), but this season.

16 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-7-observations-from-2018-buffalo-bills-training-camp-day-15

 

 

 

 

I still think one of them starts the season. They aren't making the decision any easier but this is what you call a good problem to have.

 

Oh man... here's a monkey wrench in the chain from those notes:

 

"With the second-team, Allen looked smooth and sharp while connecting on 9-of-14 passes, and barely missing Malachi Dupre for a touchdown on a deep post. If he plays well enough against Cleveland, perhaps he might warrant some more first-team time ahead of the team's third preseason game -- which have practices in Orchard Park that are no longer open in full to the media. "

 

I'm sensing a last minute starting QB announcement to keep Baltimore on their toes...

 

Allen- 42%

 

McCarron-33%

 

Peterman-25%

 

Those are my odds.

[reddogblitz]

7 hours ago, _Underscore_ said:

 

Incidentally, I don’t get that feel from AJM.  (just my opinion)

 

It doesnt matterwhat "feel" you get. It's who plays better on the field in the games. So far at least it appears to be AJ.

[BurpleBull]

5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Against 3rd stringers?

 

Do you think Peterman starts on Friday?

 

AJ is up in the rotation and Allen has been getting 1st and 2nd string reps largely since last week's game. Looking like Allen gets some of those reps in the Cleveland game.

 

I think McCarron is first man in and Peterman second.

[billsredneck1]

9 hours ago, _Underscore_ said:

I don’t agree about the "competitive spirit" thing.  Maybe it’s just me, but the thing I like best about Peterman is his resilience.  Get cut from Tennessee and keep plugging at Pitt.  Throw interceptions at SD and keep plugging in the snow.  My impression is that he is happy to play when called on, but humble enough to be genuinely be happy to support the starter when it’s his time to hold a clipboard.  He doesn’t pout.  Maybe it’s a faith thing for him.  As Reich was to Kelly, Peterman can be to Allen.  A real team guy – a process guy.

 

Call me naïve, but I believe Peterman wants to play well AND wants Allen to do well too.  I don't think it's too far fetched to believe Peterman could knowingly be content to play a role in the team rather than only be a star. 

 

Incidentally, I don’t get that feel from AJM.  (just my opinion)

 

that may end up being the deciding factor.....

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Um I didn’t say Allen played better.  I said NP had one good drive (against a vanilla D) then 2 throws into his 2nd made a bad throw that was another turnover.  Hey if he wins the job, great I have  nothing against him.  But people need to calm down over one drive, he gave the ball away the very next drive again.

Man you really need to let it go.  

 

and I get accused of being obsessive.  

 

 

1 hour ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I think McCarron is first man in and Peterman second.

re yesterday 

 

Mike RodakESPN Staff Writer  13h

The Bills continued to rotate their quarterbacks Tuesday, having Nathan Peterman run the first-team offense, rookie Josh Allen lead the second team and AJ McCarron run the third team. That continued throughout the entire practice without Allen taking any first-team reps, which has happened at points during training camp.

 

[_Underscore_]

4 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

It doesnt matterwhat "feel" you get. It's who plays better on the field in the games. So far at least it appears to be AJ.

If the staff agrees that AJM is clearly better, then by all means I agree with you that they would and should start him.  I just don’t think they agree with you.  Respectfully, to my untrained eye, it looks like camp has been a “push” between AJM and NP.   I may be wrong.  Time will tell.

 

If the staff sees it as a “push”, McD might place a value on which player is the best off-field compliment to his long-term QB, and make an investment in giving that guy field time.  If one concedes that Allen is the future (and the management probably does as they drafted him at 7) then the choice is a between a “bridge” that has already demonstrated discontent as a backup, and a long term role player that supports the face of the franchise.  With this staff, I think the tie breaker goes to the “process” guy.

 

I can appreciate your opinion that AJM is better, but I don’t think it’s unfathomable to suggest NP might start week one for the aforementioned reasons.  No disrespect intended….

 

[Royale with Cheese]

I had a dream last night that Peterman was named starting QB.  I'm not an Oracle so it probably means nothing.

However, I will say the last time I had a dream with an outcome....it was Mario Williams over Reggie Bush for #1 overall.

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I think McCarron is first man in and Peterman second.

 

If it's McCarron, Allen, then Peterman... will you change your tune?

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Man you really need to let it go.  

 

and I get accused of being obsessive.  

 

 

re yesterday 

 

Mike RodakESPN Staff Writer  13h

The Bills continued to rotate their quarterbacks Tuesday, having Nathan Peterman run the first-team offense, rookie Josh Allen lead the second team and AJ McCarron run the third team. That continued throughout the entire practice without Allen taking any first-team reps, which has happened at points during training camp.

 

 

Thats rich coming from you.  I don’t have anything to let go of, I was responding to someone directly speaking to me.  How is responding to someone obsessive?  Lmao.  This isn’t a “statement” board, it’s a message board.  You say something, people respond, and you have dialogue with them.  Lol at this post

[BurpleBull]

55 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

If it's McCarron, Allen, then Peterman... will you change your tune?

 

Perhaps concerning how soon he could be named starter, but not on my overall stance.

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Man you really need to let it go.  

 

and I get accused of being obsessive.  

 

 

re yesterday 

 

Mike RodakESPN Staff Writer  13h

The Bills continued to rotate their quarterbacks Tuesday, having Nathan Peterman run the first-team offense, rookie Josh Allen lead the second team and AJ McCarron run the third team. That continued throughout the entire practice without Allen taking any first-team reps, which has happened at points during training camp.

 

 

Yep

Joe B: 7 observations from 2018 Buffalo Bills training camp - Day 15

1) Josh Allen with the twos again
- Well, it wasn't quite the first-team work that could have happened given the rotation over the last two days, but the fact that the Bills gave rookie quarterback Josh Allen the full day with the second-team offense is vital in itself.  Now having taken two straight days of second-team reps, this is getting Allen acclimated with players that, for the most part, will be on the 53-man roster when all is said and done. He's throwing to roster-caliber receivers, and against roster-caliber defenders. Furthermore, getting him involved with the second-team offense for two straight days could also mean the Bills are readying him for work with the second unit in Friday's preseason game in Cleveland. Should that trend hold on Wednesday, the last practice of training camp, that would be the best evidence we could get that would confirm the plan for Allen on Friday. With the second-team, Allen looked smooth and sharp while connecting on 9-of-14 passes, and barely missing Malachi Dupre for a touchdown on a deep post. If he plays well enough against Cleveland, perhaps he might warrant some more first-team time ahead of the team's third preseason game -- which have practices in Orchard Park that are no longer open in full to the media. As for the other two quarterbacks, Nathan Peterman and A.J. McCarron flipped responsibilities from how the Bills positioned them on Monday.  Peterman worked with the third-team offense on Monday and was with the top unit on Tuesday -- and vice versa for McCarron. Peterman went 9-of-9 while taking a pair of sacks with the ones, and McCarron was 9-of-12 with the third unit. Neither player has done anything to cancel themselves out of the competition to be the starting quarterback, which further complicates Sean McDermott's ultimate decision.

 

 

and then today's depth chart:

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/2018-buffalo-bills-training-camp-depth-chart-day-16

 

AJ #1

 

Allen #2

 

Peterman #3

 

 

That's how it looks like it's going to be for Friday.

Edited August 15, 2018 by transplantbillsfan

[transplantbillsfan]

34 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Perhaps concerning how soon he could be named starter, but not on my overall stance.

 

Fascinating...

 

Not even a "depends on how each QB plays," huh?

[Rocky Landing]

I hate these “quarterback competitions.”  I look forward to a future where we know exactly who our starting QB is going into OTAs. 

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

I hate these “quarterback competitions.”  I look forward to a future where we know exactly who our starting QB is going into OTAs. 

 

Like last year and the year before?  Did you like that?

Edited August 15, 2018 by reddogblitz

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Thats rich coming from you.  I don’t have anything to let go of, I was responding to someone directly speaking to me.  How is responding to someone obsessive?  Lmao.  This isn’t a “statement” board, it’s a message board.  You say something, people respond, and you have dialogue with them.  Lol at this post

You could say it is.   I've been quiet these past months, 

 

wassa matter, did I get your gander up?  

 

are you pretending to not be a severe Peterman detractor?

its camp.   let it go.    

 

you can B word for real in 4 weeks 

[billsredneck1]

19 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Why do you think that about NP?  Not one thing NP has shown on tape suggests that.  In fact, the biggest risk of NP is how long it takes for the ball to get there.  If he isnt perfect on his throws they will be timed and picked off.  He also throws poorly under duress.  

 

People are WAY over valuing one drive in the first preseason game playing against some starters who are playing a weak and vanilla defense.  They are simultaneously ignoring every other flaw he has demonstrated over his career thus far.  

 

He also made a poor pass, that was late, high, and behind Ivory leading to a turnover.  Again, if he isnt perfect he doesnt have the physical gifts to make up for it.  So while I am sure he will lay some nice passes in here or there, he is also a high risk to turn the ball over.  If he is late on an outside throw, then hello pick 6 because he won't be able to zip it in there.  He has a very low ceiling IMO where as AJM has more of a skill set to have a higher ceiling.  

 

But in the end...who really cares.  This is Josh Allens team...these two guys are just playing til Allen takes their job.  So I dont get the obsession between NP and AJM right now, its almost irrelevant as they are not our future.  At best, they are trade bait if they can just be ok out there.  

   in fact huh? i love the way you guys throw out the "facts".  in fact is that game which was a week ago...where nathan was one coulda been caught ball from having a PERFECT outing doesn't seem "in fact" good enough.  maybe his throws should have been sooner? have you been watching practices?...or listening to the radio?....hearing news from different podcasts?...or....are you just looking for something posted here to re insure you have something to say about nate and maybe hoping to be able to reference the sd game?

 

  well  fact is right now he's the best of the 3 when it comes to timing, accuracy and completions....and it ain't even close. i know he's not the long term plan, but i don't understand how any fan can find fault with a guy that constantly goes 6-6/9-9 etc. to start out passing every day.  2017 is over, it's august. change your drawers and catch up with things.

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said:

 

  well  fact is right now he's the best of the 3 when it comes to timing, accuracy and completions....and it ain't even close. i know he's not the long term plan, but i don't understand how any fan can find fault with a guy that constantly goes 6-6/9-9 etc. to start out passing every day.  2017 is over, it's august. change your drawers and catch up with things.

 

If you want to go by pre season stats and practices in red jerseys then I guess you can say that factually.

 

Facts tell me a different story. To me AJ looks way ahead of Nasty Nate.  AJ has impeccable footwork and pocket presence. He can tell the pressure and slide around to an open spot and throw the football.  He doesn't just take off running like the other guys do.  He has really good accuracy as well. The 62 yard play Thursday was stallion IMHO.  He got 2 possessions and we scored both times. No TOs

 

If it's close we gotta go AJ.  The book is out on Nasty Nate that he  melts under pressure. Coach Lynn could tell this from last years PS games and took it to him. You saw the results. Jacksonville did the same and in 4 plays he has one one intentional grounding and 1 pick.  If he starts expect to see much more of the same.

 

What mKes You think this won't be a problem?

 

[Wily Dog]

3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

If you want to go by pre season stats and practices in red jerseys then I guess you can say that factually.

 

Facts tell me a different story. To me AJ looks way ahead of Nasty Nate.  AJ has impeccable footwork and pocket presence. He can tell the pressure and slide around to an open spot and throw the football.  He doesn't just take off running like the other guys do.  He has really good accuracy as well. The 62 yard play Thursday was stallion IMHO.  He got 2 possessions and we scored both times. No TOs

 

If it's close we gotta go AJ.  The book is out on Nasty Nate that he  melts under pressure. Coach Lynn could tell this from last years PS games and took it to him. You saw the results. Jacksonville did the same and in 4 plays he has one one intentional grounding and 1 pick.  If he starts expect to see much more of the same.

 

What mKes You think this won't be a problem?

 

 

 

You are living in the past. AJM  is history. 

[reddogblitz]

2 minutes ago, Wily Dog said:

 

 

You are living in the past. AJM  is history. 

 

 You didn't answer my question.  Do you think if Nasty Nate starts Baltimore will not blitz the pants off of him?  This will also the first game for a 40% new OLine. If (WHEN) they do, do you think he will be able to handle it any better than he did last year?  If so, what makes you think so?

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by reddogblitz

[Wily Dog]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

 You didn't answer my question.  Do you think if Nasty Nate starts Baltimore will not blitz the pants off of him?  This will also the first game for a 40% new OLine. If (WHEN) they do, do you think he will be able to handle it any better than he did last year?  If so, what makes you think so?

 

 

 

Have you watched any of the practices this year ? The game against Carolina ? It should be evident that is a new year and all of the bromides against Peterman  are silly.

[reddogblitz]

2 minutes ago, Wily Dog said:

 

 

Have you watched any of the practices this year ? The game against Carolina ? It should be evident that is a new year and all of the bromides against Peterman  are silly.

 

Again you didn't answer my question.  I know it's a new year.  What have you seen in practices in shorts and red jerseys that tells you he is better under pressure?

 

He also went 9 for 9 in the last pre season game last year.  And you saw what happened ...

Edited August 15, 2018 by reddogblitz

[Wily Dog]

1 minute ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Again you didn't answer my question.  I know it's a new year.  What have you seen in practices in shorts and red jerseys that tells you he is better under pressure?

I believe i answered your question , either you did not watch practices or the game .or you didn't understand what you watched. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, Wily Dog said:

 

 

Have you watched any of the practices this year ? The game against Carolina ? It should be evident that is a new year and all of the bromides against Peterman  are silly.

 

...just my opinion, but I see Peterman and McCarron in the mix along with the obvious Allen......probably one of the better threesome camp competitions in recent memory....McBeane may have some interesting decisions ahead if things are reasonably close....keep all three on the active 53 and wait for an injury somewhere when someone comes calling with a trade proposal?......open with McCarron, Allen and Peterman to the PS?...if a poacher shows up, THEN promote him to the active 53?.......hell if we can end up with the next Kelly/Reich duo, me thinks we'd be in pretty good shape at QB...stay tuned.....