Why Is Our Government Putting People In Cages?

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

The media is disgusting with how they are milking and fanning the flames of this situation. It couldn't be anymore biased or one sided. A twisted effort to plunge the country deeper into chaos and turn us against one another.

 

One sided? What's the other side of babies being sent to warehouses? 

[DC Tom]

8 minutes ago, Keukasmallies said:

3rd pretty much outlines the formula Dem's apply to every issue they deem fitting into their attack-whomever-ain't-us tactic.  Just substitute the name of one issue for another and you'll have the game plan.

 

Plus, in this case the media has truly manufactured the outrage.  No one cares this has been happening for years, no one cares it happens to American families every day with more frequency and less due process.  People are upset about this because they were told to be upset about this, nothing more.

 

Immigration law is a real problem.  This bull **** is an artificial crisis.

[3rdnlng]

It took 9 years for the MSM to discover all this warehousing of babies?

[Buffalo_Gal]

Well, the people who wanted DNA testing may get it:

Attorney General Sessions Exploring Using DNA Tests To Verify Migrants Who Cross Border

Let the lefty-squealing begin... er..continue... er ... amplify 

I'm off to buy some earplugs.
 

[RaoulDuke79]

20 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

One sided? What's the other side of babies being sent to warehouses? 

Now ask yourself this. Would the same people be outraged when this was happening during the previous administration? If yes, why weren't they in such a furor then? If no then it's misdirected outrage not over the fact that babies are being separated, but against the president. 

 

Also explain to me why, that if they care about children so much all of sudden, how is it ok to perform late term abortions. If they care about the homeless so much why are they willing to bring more people in which the system can't support and create more homelessness.

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Now ask yourself this. Would the same people be outraged when this was happening during the previous administration? If yes, why weren't they in such a furor then? If no then it's misdirected outrage not over the fact that babies are being separated, but against the president. 

 

Also explain to me why, that if they care about children so much all of sudden, how is it ok to perform late term abortions. If they care about the homeless so much why are they willing to bring more people in which the system can't support and create more homelessness.

 

The answer is: gatorman is an idiot.  Don't engage him.

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, LABillzFan said:

Sound familiar? It should, because he is very much the spitting image of Barack Obama, the human, with a few major differences, not the least of which is at least Trump has somehow managed to improve the lives of minorities from an employment standpoint. Obama couldn't even do that, in spite of all the fanboys cheering him on every day.

[outsidethebox]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

It's a stretch to believe Trump would actually not lie.  He ain't signed anything yet. It is also a  stretch to believe Trump would straight up reverse it and that it would be challenged, that's really stupid and had to come from Rush through Deranged. 

 

But don't worry, there will be lawsuits over this. You can't committ child abuse and expect everyone to sit on their hands 

Well, Obama did just that for 8 years.

[Tiberius]

What? If this isn't a sign he'll flip...

 

President Donald Trump’s former lawyer and close ally Michael Cohen resigned from his Republican National Committee post Wednesday and denounced the administration’s family separation policy in his resignation letter, reports ABC News. Cohen blamed the time-consuming Mueller investigation as a major reason for his resignation, ABC reports, but he took a surprising stance against the administration by criticizing the forced separation of migrant families. “As the son of a Polish holocaust survivor, the images and sounds of this family separation policy is heart wrenching,” Cohen wrote in the letter, cited by ABC. “While I strongly support measures that will secure our porous borders, children should never be used as bargaining chips.” Cohen used to serve as the deputy finance chair of the RNC’s Finance Committee.

 

READ IT AT ABC NEWS

[Warren Zevon]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What? If this isn't a sign he'll flip...

 

President Donald Trump’s former lawyer and close ally Michael Cohen resigned from his Republican National Committee post Wednesday and denounced the administration’s family separation policy in his resignation letter, reports ABC News. Cohen blamed the time-consuming Mueller investigation as a major reason for his resignation, ABC reports, but he took a surprising stance against the administration by criticizing the forced separation of migrant families. “As the son of a Polish holocaust survivor, the images and sounds of this family separation policy is heart wrenching,” Cohen wrote in the letter, cited by ABC. “While I strongly support measures that will secure our porous borders, children should never be used as bargaining chips.” Cohen used to serve as the deputy finance chair of the RNC’s Finance Committee.

 

READ IT AT ABC NEWS

 

He's already flipped. His new lawyer is a former prosecutor from the team prosecuting him.

[Tiberius]

Just now, peace out said:

 

He's already flipped. His new lawyer is a former prosecutor from the team prosecuting him.

Oh! 

 

This statement from him is just stunning! 

 

 

[B-Man]

If only there was a branch of government that wasn’t the executive or judicial that could maybe work out a more permanent solution.

 

[ALF]

The democrats were no fan of W for 8 years . I can't recall what his border policy was but it must have been low key not to cause the uproar like now.

 

Whatever Trump is doing sounds expensive by driving agencies crazy trying to implement. I do appreciate keeping families together though.

[njbuff]

This is all a political stunt by the left. Don't ever let that fool you.

 

The Russian hoax is a complete failure and these comatose Dems need something new to have voters attach to them and increasing Trump hate even more for the mid terms.

 

They could care less about immigrants and their children. It's all to gain votes for the mid terms.

 

There are MILLIONS of American children who live in poverty. Does anyone care about that?

[Deranged Rhino]

Twitter is doing nothing to stop this. Hundreds of ICE agents are being doxxed by people working inside the government. 

 

 

 

Look at the comments. Look at the calls for hurting their children. Lefties need to wake up. These are the people who are speaking for your partisanship. They're not liberals. They're fascists in disguise (not even good disguises).

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

 

It's never about keeping kids with their families. It's never been about compassion. 

 

It's about votes. 

 

They think you're stupid. They think you're easy to manipulate because you have compassion and empathy and all the things women like Harris lack. 

 

Prove them wrong.

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[njbuff]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

It's never about keeping kids with their families. It's never been about compassion. 

 

It's about votes. 

 

They think you're stupid. They think you're easy to manipulate because you have compassion and empathy and all the things women like Harris lack. 

 

Prove them wrong.

 

Where was the outrage when this was happening 3 years ago?

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

It's never about keeping kids with their families. It's never been about compassion. 

 

It's about votes. 

 

They think you're stupid. They think you're easy to manipulate because you have compassion and empathy and all the things women like Harris lack. 

 

Prove them wrong.

 

Nobody saw this coming...

 

Oh wait yeah just about everybody did

 

 

 

 

And Liberal/media conversation now changes to why are we even detaining families at all.

 

 

Quote

 

Wired Sources‏ @WiredSources 6h6 hours ago

JUST IN: House to vote tomorrow on Bill that unites illegal immigrant families at the border, Democrats are expected to vote against bill

7:47 AM - 20 Jun 2018

 

 

[njbuff]

Of course the Democrats are going to reject the proposal.

[B-Man]

 

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Marco Rubio‏Verified account @marcorubio 48m48 minutes ago

 

The ink isn’t even dry on the new executive order ending separation policy & some Democrats already arguing that keeping families together isn’t enough. Now they want them & their parents released after unlawful entry knowing full well that high % will never appear for hearing

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

It's never been about the kids. Ever. That's why they were advocating for policies that would put more kids in danger, and fringe supporters are rallying today to doxx ICE agents and their families.

 

It's 2018. We are the most media savvy and technologically sophisticated peoples in history. We MUST be able to see through cheap emotional manipulation without dividing ourselves in the process... or we'are all forked.

[B-Man]

The Utter Hypocrisy And Stupidity Of The Illegal Immigrant Parent-Child Separation Debate

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/32091/utter-hypocrisy-and-stupidity-illegal-immigrant-ben-shapiro …

 

 

This is an era of massive hypocrisy.

 

On the one hand, you have the Left arguing that policy must change with regard to family separation at the border. That would be the same Left that argued in 2014 that it was utterly inhumane to keep children locked up with their illegal immigrant parents, and sued to have that policy changed.

 

On the other hand, you have the Trump administration arguing that “zero tolerance” at the border was good policy, and that family separation was merely a byproduct of the legal workings of the system; the Trump administration also argued that they didn’t have the legal authority to unilaterally overrule Ninth Circuit rulings on the Flores settlement. That would be the same Trump administration now arguing that Trump can unilaterally change policy through executive action.

 

On that first hand again, the Left argues that separation policy is essentially Nazi-esque evil. These would be the same people on the Left rejecting a legislative fix in order to “keep the focus” on President Trump, as Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) so charmingly put it.

 

On that other hand again, the Right argues that separating parents from children is a deterrent, while at the same time arguing that the policy is an Obama holdover for which the Trump administration bears no responsibility.

 

So, here’s the simple reality.

1. The Trump administration did not create separation policy. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals did.
2. The Trump administration did push a zero-tolerance policy on border crossing, treating all those who enter the country illegally as criminals.
3. The Trump administration does not have the executive authority to unilaterally change law, as ruled by the Ninth Circuit.
4. The policy should be changed, and should never have been discussed as a deterrent.

[Deranged Rhino]

It's the smile on his face as he says the bit about "inflicting a political price" that shows you everything you need to know. 

 

It was always about politics. Never about the kids. 

 

 

It's a good study in micro expressions here. 

Edited June 20, 2018 by Deranged Rhino

[Albwan]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

the democratic party has moved on from african americans. They know 

they got their votes in their pockets. They are focusing on their new 

open border voters, which they will get, just a matter of time now.

They are pretty close to tearing down the forces that formed this great

country. The criminals are getting their money now so they don't care

about the shithole that they wiil have created 3 decades from now.

[Albwan]

22 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

It's never been about the kids. Ever. That's why they were advocating for policies that would put more kids in danger, and fringe supporters are rallying today to doxx ICE agents and their families.

 

It's 2018. We are the most media savvy and technologically sophisticated peoples in history. We MUST be able to see through cheap emotional manipulation without dividing ourselves in the process... or we'are all forked.

Were forked ...i've lost all faith in the system after today.

Open the borders, finish us off.

george romeros dawn of the dead, its here.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Albwan said:

Were forked ...i've lost all faith in the system after today.

Open the borders, finish us off.

george romeros dawn of the dead, its here.

 

It's always darkest before the dawn. Lots of good things coming. Sooner than you might think.  

[ALF]

Cost of detaining migrant kids higher than keeping them with families

By Bob Fredericks June 20, 2018

 

The cost of holding migrant children who have been separated from their parents in “tent cities” is $775 per person per night — far more expensive than keeping kids with their parents in detention centers, a new report said Wednesday.

 

The reason for the higher cost to taxpayers, according to an official at the Department of Health and Human Services, is that the need to arrange for security, bring in air conditioning, medical workers and other government contractors is much higher than the costs for existing facilities that are already staffed, NBC News reported.

 

It costs $256 per night to hold kids in permanent HHS facilities like Casa Padre in Brownsville, Texas.

Keeping them with their parents in detention centers like the one run by ICE in Dilley, Texas, cost $298 per person per night, according to an agency estimate when it awarded the contract for the facility in 2014, the network reported.

 

https://nypost.com/2018/06/20/cost-of-detaining-migrant-kids-more-expensive-than-keeping-them-with-families/

 

 I can't imagine that cost is accurate. It would be cheaper to put them up in a hotel.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I told you it was that easy 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/homeland-security-drafts-plan-end-family-separation-151501530.html

 

Trump ends separating families.  

 

 

10 minutes ago, ALF said:

Cost of detaining migrant kids higher than keeping them with families

By Bob Fredericks June 20, 2018

 

The cost of holding migrant children who have been separated from their parents in “tent cities” is $775 per person per night — far more expensive than keeping kids with their parents in detention centers, a new report said Wednesday.

 

The reason for the higher cost to taxpayers, according to an official at the Department of Health and Human Services, is that the need to arrange for security, bring in air conditioning, medical workers and other government contractors is much higher than the costs for existing facilities that are already staffed, NBC News reported.

 

It costs $256 per night to hold kids in permanent HHS facilities like Casa Padre in Brownsville, Texas.

Keeping them with their parents in detention centers like the one run by ICE in Dilley, Texas, cost $298 per person per night, according to an agency estimate when it awarded the contract for the facility in 2014, the network reported.

 

https://nypost.com/2018/06/20/cost-of-detaining-migrant-kids-more-expensive-than-keeping-them-with-families/

 

 I can't imagine that cost is accurate. It would be cheaper to put them up in a hotel.

It’s our Tax $$ 

 

The 1%ers don’t pay it.  

[reddogblitz]

20 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I told you it was that easy 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/homeland-security-drafts-plan-end-family-separation-151501530.html

 

Trump ends separating families.  

 

 

It’s our Tax $$ 

 

The 1%ers don’t pay it.  

 

Follow the money. Private prison industry is making a lot of money off this.

 

One question I have not heard asked or answered in this. I've heard 1,000,000 times that 2000 children have been taken from their parents and put in cages.  Not good.

 

Ok, how many children were in these holding centers the day BEFORE this all starteD?  How many children went through this system in 2015?  I know 3000,000 were deported that year.  Were any families broken up in the process? 

Edited June 20, 2018 by reddogblitz

[BringBackOrton]

10 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Follow the money. Private prison industry is making a lot of money off this.

 

One question I have not heard asked or answered in this. I've heard 1,000,000 times that 2000 children have been taken from their parents and put in cages.  Not good.

 

Ok, how many children were in these holding centers the day BEFORE this all starteD?  How many children went through this system in 2015?  I know 3000,000 were deported that year.  Were any families broken up in the process? 

Who was President in 2015?  Why would anyone care?

[keepthefaith]

34 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

The 1%ers don’t pay it.  

 

I thought it was the 47% that don't pay it? 

[Golden Goat]

56 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I told you it was that easy 

 

Agreed. Why didn't Obama do it?

 

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Fake news 

 

Same photos published in the Los Angeles Times in 2014.

Do you ever win a point? ?

 

 

Edited June 20, 2018 by Golden Goat

[3rdnlng]

56 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I told you it was that easy 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/homeland-security-drafts-plan-end-family-separation-151501530.html

 

Trump ends separating families.  

 

 

It’s our Tax $$ 

 

The 1%ers don’t pay it.  

How long before the ACLU sues and the judge strikes it down? Now the left will get blamed for it.

[plenzmd1]

Again, let me emphasize I despise Trump and will be thrilled when he is gone. Having said that, I actually understood his position on this issue.

 

But again, what bothers the hell out of me is the lying. Trump/Sessions/Nielson/Sanders all 100% insisting this was a Democratic law and ONLY Congress could step in and fix it. And there was nothing, emphasis NOTHING, that could be done outside of legislation from Congress. 

 

Shocking it did not take that..how could that be? Were they all just that dumb they did not know the law...or were they just feeding the American people more lies so Trump could get his damn wall.

 

I get how Trump supporters may like his policies, but how in the hell someone can support someone and his entire administration that just lies all the time is beyond me.

 

And please do not answer" but Obama"

Edited June 20, 2018 by plenzmd1

[Deranged Rhino]

9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Again, let me emphasize I despise Trump and will be thrilled when he is gone. Having said that, I actually understood his position on this issue.

 

But again, what bothers the hell out of me is the lying. Trump/Sessions/Nielson/Sanders all 100% insisting this was a Democratic law and ONLY Congress could step in and fix it. And there was nothing, emphasis NOTHING, that could be done outside of legislation from Congress. 

 

Shocking it did not take that..how could that be? Were they all just that dumb they did not know the law...or were they just feeding the American people more lies so Trump could get his damn wall.

 

I get how Trump supporters may like his policies, but how in the hell someone can support someone and his entire administration that just lies all the time is beyond me.

 

And please do not answer" but Obama"

 

The reason why many are upset, and the reason why this is still and issue is because the executive branch is not supposed to legislate with a pen and a phone. It's supposed to happen in Congress, where they have the power (the only ones who have the constitutional power) to create laws that will last beyond themselves and whoever sits in the Oval. 

 

The ACLU is already filing suit to get the EO overturned. That's because Congress will not take action. 

 

You're right this is political. It's always been political, by both sides. But one side is working to fix a problem through the means described in the constitution and the other is advocating for executive fiat. The irony is thick, especially when the side wishing to rule through executive order calls the other authoritarian fascists. 

 

 

[njbuff]

15 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Again, let me emphasize I despise Trump and will be thrilled when he is gone. Having said that, I actually understood his position on this issue.

 

But again, what bothers the hell out of me is the lying. Trump/Sessions/Nielson/Sanders all 100% insisting this was a Democratic law and ONLY Congress could step in and fix it. And there was nothing, emphasis NOTHING, that could be done outside of legislation from Congress. 

 

Shocking it did not take that..how could that be? Were they all just that dumb they did not know the law...or were they just feeding the American people more lies so Trump could get his damn wall.

 

I get how Trump supporters may like his policies, but how in the hell someone can support someone and his entire administration that just lies all the time is beyond me.

 

And please do not answer" but Obama"

 

Donald Trump haters say he lies all the time.

 

Donald Trump haters say he is a Nazi all the time.

 

Donald Trump haters say he is a racist all time.

 

Yada, yada, yada, bla, bla, bla.

 

Sooner or later it all falls on deaf ears. People who are not a Trump supporter, but are reasonable, are tired of hearing these things.

 

Trump is trying to fix this issue, but the Democrats have NO INTEREST in fixing anything with Trump. That is the big issue, not all the things Trump haters toss out there about Trump.

 

Tell the Democratic Party to wake up and stop playing politics before you Trump haters bash Trump.

 

This is all a mess because leftists would rather hate Trump than fix the immigration problem. FACT.

[Golden Goat]

2 hours ago, ALF said:

Cost of detaining migrant kids higher than keeping them with families

By Bob Fredericks June 20, 2018

 

The cost of holding migrant children who have been separated from their parents in “tent cities” is $775 per person per night — far more expensive than keeping kids with their parents in detention centers, a new report said Wednesday.

 

The reason for the higher cost to taxpayers, according to an official at the Department of Health and Human Services, is that the need to arrange for security, bring in air conditioning, medical workers and other government contractors is much higher than the costs for existing facilities that are already staffed, NBC News reported.

 

It costs $256 per night to hold kids in permanent HHS facilities like Casa Padre in Brownsville, Texas.

Keeping them with their parents in detention centers like the one run by ICE in Dilley, Texas, cost $298 per person per night, according to an agency estimate when it awarded the contract for the facility in 2014, the network reported.

 

https://nypost.com/2018/06/20/cost-of-detaining-migrant-kids-more-expensive-than-keeping-them-with-families/

 

 I can't imagine that cost is accurate. It would be cheaper to put them up in a hotel.

 

https://www.thenation.com/article/only-the-pentagon-could-spend-640-on-a-toilet-seat/

 

There are many articles just like this one. I'm surprised the cost is that LOW!

[3rdnlng]

43 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Again, let me emphasize I despise Trump and will be thrilled when he is gone. Having said that, I actually understood his position on this issue.

 

But again, what bothers the hell out of me is the lying. Trump/Sessions/Nielson/Sanders all 100% insisting this was a Democratic law and ONLY Congress could step in and fix it. And there was nothing, emphasis NOTHING, that could be done outside of legislation from Congress. 

 

Shocking it did not take that..how could that be? Were they all just that dumb they did not know the law...or were they just feeding the American people more lies so Trump could get his damn wall.

 

I get how Trump supporters may like his policies, but how in the hell someone can support someone and his entire administration that just lies all the time is beyond me.

 

And please do not answer" but Obama"

The administration has claimed all along that it was the dems problem because they wouldn't do anything to fix it, not that it was a democrat law. Trump knew before he signed the EO that it wouldn't stand up in court but figured that at least he would get credit for trying to fix things and the dems would now get the blame. Also the House is voting on 2 different immigration bills tomorrow and they are very unlikely to pass. This will appear as just more dem obstruction.

[njbuff]

It's pretty obvious the people who show outrage over this immigrant issue conveniently forget the fact that these people are breaking the law by trying to enter this country ILLEGALLY..

 

When ANY adult breaks the law, they are separated from their children.

 

Why is this so hard to understand?

 

Oh, that's right.......... the left is DESPERATE for a political edge. So, with the Russian hoax about to go bu the wayside, they something........... and this immigration farce is it.

[B-Man]

TROLL LEVEL: GRANDMASTER.

 

 

 

 

 

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