Tiberius Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Now it's "just about doing the right thing." Yesterday the "right thing" was to keep families together. That's done. Now it's not enough... Because they never cared about children or families. They are emotionally manipulating you because it's easy. They want open borders, nothing less. And they want open borders because many in Congress profit from the smuggling and trafficking (both sides of the aisle) and the left really needs new voters. It's not about compassion. It's never been about compassion. It's about politics. So you have no compassion for the babies left in warehouses. Ok, I guess since you are Trump's water boy you have no choice. Shameful. You are disgusting You nativist bull sh it is hateful, scaremongering and scapegoating of immigrants. You Trump cultists are losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, HappyDays said: This was never a misconception of mine. Like I said in my post a few pages ago the change that the Trump administration made was to start prosecuting every single illegal migrant including those with children. Since some people including asylum seekers were being turned away at the port of entry, it effectively barred some asylum seekers from following the legal process, including some with children. From everything I've read, asylum seekers were only turned away when the volume of crossers was to much to currently process. And even then, they were told to come back later. It's a complicated issue that's being misrepresented to the American public. 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, its just about doing the right thing. Doing the right thing, even though it's against the law. And the people arguing for doing "the right thing" steadfastly refuse to amend the law? DR's wrong - it's not about open borders, or politics. It's about the further weakening of the rule of law, so those in power can accumulate even more power. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: What this shitstorm really shows is how partisan the dems are. They don't want to solve problems for this country but they do want to help themselves at the ballot box. They will do anything including turning their backs to children being sold into work slavery or sex slavery. They don't care if MS-13 or terrorists invade our borders. The only thing that is important to them is their sleazy politics. I think I'm going to start calling anyone who fights reasonable border control a "Pedophile Enabler"--"PE" for short. Pretty rich coming from one of the many who enabled the pedo who hasn't posted here in awhile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Doing the right thing, even though it's against the law. And the people arguing for doing "the right thing" steadfastly refuse to amend the law? DR's wrong - it's not about open borders, or politics. It's about the further weakening of the rule of law, so those in power can accumulate even more power. No, I actually agree, they should change the law. The whole nativist bull sh it needs to end. It's stupid, its hurts the country and it hurts people and businesses. There is no sense to it. DR repeating Trump's garbage claim that this is about more voters is just that, garbage. No one is refusing to change the law, but ya know, you sort of need the votes. Republicans are finding that out right now, today, in the house 3 minutes ago, peace out said: Pretty rich coming from one of the many who enabled the pedo who hasn't posted here in awhile Oops!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: The choice is simple: Use the port of entry (which aren't difficult to reach or find - and are just a few miles away from where most of the illegal southern border crossings happen) and you can stay with your family, avoid prosecution, and begin the process of seeking asylum. Or, Cross the border illegally, putting yourself and your family at more risk than needed, and expose yourself and your family to prosecution, separation, and deportation. I don't see why more people can't understand this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, peace out said: Pretty rich coming from one of the many who enabled the pedo who hasn't posted here in awhile You know, from your posting it appears that you are against securing our borders. Knowing how this hurts the children I must assume that you are for child work slavery and sex slavery. This would make you a Pedophile Enabler--PE for short. Congratulations, you are the first person I've gotten the chance to call a PE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) AWKWARD! CNN host asks Dem senator if she spoke out about same detention facilities when Obama was prez [video] D’OH! Former Hillary spox highlights AP story alleging Obama-era abuses Links repaired ..................Thanks, TYTT Edited June 21, 2018 by B-Man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, DC Tom said: It's a complicated issue that's being misrepresented to the American public. Doesn't seem that complicated to me - you either are a racist who supports taking babies from parents - or you are an immoral nutcase who supports child trafficking At least that's what I'm gathering. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, B-Man said: CNN host asks Dem senator if she spoke out about same detention facilities when Obama was prez [video] Former Hillary spox highlights AP story alleging Obama-era abuses More helpful if links... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Dogblitz is all over the place and hard to follow and the tail light crap is a red hair ring for sure. Hey, my only point on the mention of the tail light crap was to say that many were deported for minor offenses. Do you think that's not true? A internet search turns up many articles about it. For example: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/09/26/who-is-ice-deporting Even CNN says so (from 2014): https://www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/opinion/kohn-immigration-deportations/index.html Quote First, anti-immigrant activists insist that the people being deported are dangerous criminals — and that they should be deported faster and at even higher rates. Yet Monday, The New York Times released an analysis of government records revealing that of the nearly 2 million people deported since President Obama took office, two-thirds had no criminal record whatsoever or had committed only minor infractions, such as traffic violations. Edited June 21, 2018 by reddogblitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: You know, from your posting it appears that you are against securing our borders. Knowing how this hurts the children I must assume that you are for child work slavery and sex slavery. This would make you a Pedophile Enabler--PE for short. Congratulations, you are the first person I've gotten the chance to call a PE. Keep it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Hey, my only point on the mention of the tail light crap was to say that many were deported for minor offenses. Do you think that's not true? A internet search turns up many articles about it. For example: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/09/26/who-is-ice-deporting Even CNN says so (from 2014): https://www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/opinion/kohn-immigration-deportations/index.html I'm not sure I've ever heard a good argument in favor of allowing people who have been swept up by regular law enforcement procedures, who have been determined to be here illegally, to be allowed to stay. What's the purpose of even having a border, or any immigration policy at all for that matter, if that's the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 Republican Representative from Oklahoma, Army veterans, combat veteran and pro-immigration. I guess he supports immigration because of political motives??? Listen, the man makes good arguments https://www.c-span.org/video/?447184-101/us-house-general-speeches&start=10113 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 31 minutes ago, peace out said: Keep it up Thank you. I will as long as you take the position against the safety and welfare of children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: See? It's not about protecting families and children. It's about open borders. Tibs speaks the truth about what is motivating this partisan mudslinging: NEW VOTERS. Nothing more. of course. the kids are disposable, the parents are disposable, at least until such time until they are useful, then the narrative reaches a fever pitch. that's the insidious part about the open border crowd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: The choice is simple: Use the port of entry (which aren't difficult to reach or find - and are just a few miles away from where most of the illegal southern border crossings happen) and you can stay with your family, avoid prosecution, and begin the process of seeking asylum. Or, Cross the border illegally, putting yourself and your family at more risk than needed, and expose yourself and your family to prosecution, separation, and deportation. Yah, but that takes all the fun out if it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 40 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Hey, my only point on the mention of the tail light crap was to say that many were deported for minor offenses. Do you think that's not true? A internet search turns up many articles about it. For example: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/09/26/who-is-ice-deporting Even CNN says so (from 2014): https://www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/opinion/kohn-immigration-deportations/index.html They are not deported for minor offenses. They are deported for being in this country illegally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: I don't see why more people can't understand this. Because partisanship trumps logic when emotions are manipulated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 57 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Hey, my only point on the mention of the tail light crap was to say that many were deported for minor offenses. Do you think that's not true? A internet search turns up many articles about it. For example: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/09/26/who-is-ice-deporting Even CNN says so (from 2014): https://www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/opinion/kohn-immigration-deportations/index.html Nobody's ever been deported for a broken taillight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Trump Moves to Obama’s Position on Family Detention, Democrats Still Outraged By David French Is a policy ‘child abuse’ simply because Trump is executing it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, B-Man said: Trump Moves to Obama’s Position on Family Detention, Democrats Still Outraged By David French Is a policy ‘child abuse’ simply because Trump is executing it? Given that the courts determined Trump couldn't issue a travel ban, and limited the administration's prosecutorial discretion because "he's racist..." yeah, I'd say there's sufficient precedent to call it child abuse because it's Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: The choice is simple: Use the port of entry (which aren't difficult to reach or find - and are just a few miles away from where most of the illegal southern border crossings happen) and you can stay with your family, avoid prosecution, and begin the process of seeking asylum. Or, Cross the border illegally, putting yourself and your family at more risk than needed, and expose yourself and your family to prosecution, separation, and deportation. November can't get here fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: Hey, my only point on the mention of the tail light crap was to say that many were deported for minor offenses. Do you think that's not true? A internet search turns up many articles about it. For example: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/09/26/who-is-ice-deporting Even CNN says so (from 2014): https://www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/opinion/kohn-immigration-deportations/index.html You knucklehead. The very fact they're HERE makes them criminals. They've violated immigration law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Are those supposed to be contradictions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 They think you're stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Because partisanship trumps logic when emotions are manipulated. It's over for the American people. If you agree with a law, anybody who breaks it must be punished. If you disagree with a law, you should be able to break it without consequences because it's Hitler. We lose. I submit to our Chinese overlords. Praise Mao. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, HappyDays said: He's right in that it was never their intent to separate families. It was their intent to stop human trafficking. The two statements are consistent. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Don't worry. She's got this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 48 minutes ago, joesixpack said: You knucklehead. The very fact they're HERE makes them criminals. They've violated immigration law. i realize that. You don't have to call me a knucklehead though. poor wording. I meant that's how they came to the attention of police and were indeed deported. This is one of the things people are griping about now that they didn't care about a few years ago was my point. My point was really about hypocrisy. In my state,our governor who I Suspect will run for prez next time "found out" that police in the stAte were notifying ICE when they picked up someone they suspected as not being a citizen. He was livid an ordered it stopped. First off, how did he not know this? I knew it was going on. It had been going on for years. Which brings me to another bit of disingenuous and hypocrisy. Politicians love to say "we are a nation of laws. We must hold them accountable." They love to say this about Hillary or Trump. Unless it's a law they don't like or can make political hay from. Then play it up until after the election. It's an issue that may never get solved much less addressed. It's a great campaign issue for both sides. And their donors don't want to do anything about it. It's cheap lsbor. America was built on cheap labor. Follow the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: i realize that. You don't have to call me a knucklehead though. poor wording. I meant that's how they came to the attention of police and were indeed deported. This is one of the things people are griping about now that they didn't care about a few years ago was my point. My point was really about hypocrisy. In my state,our governor who I Suspect will run for prez next time "found out" that police in the stAte were notifying ICE when they picked up someone they suspected as not being a citizen. He was livid an ordered it stopped. First off, how did he not know this? I knew it was going on. It had been going on for years. Which brings me to another bit of disingenuous and hypocrisy. Politicians love to say "we are a nation of laws. We must hold them accountable." They love to say this about Hillary or Trump. Unless it's a law they don't like or can make political hay from. Then play it up until after the election. It's an issue that may never get solved much less addressed. It's a great campaign issue for both sides. And their donors don't want to do anything about it. It's cheap lsbor. America was built on cheap labor. Follow the money. You don’t need to tell me to follow the money. I support a $50000 fine per violation. We need to bankrupt the people who employ these illegals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Don't worry. She's got this... Her platform? Usually a bed? She's going down there to entertain the kids? Boys and girls? Edited June 21, 2018 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Politicians love to say "we are a nation of laws. We must hold them accountable." They love to say this about Hillary or Trump. Unless it's a law they don't like or can make political hay from. Then play it up until after the election. Worse...we've got legislators saying "We are a nation of laws," who actively campaign for the executive to not enforce and even break those laws, instead of...y'know...legislating. The problem isn't the White House. It's the !@#$s in Congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 6:20 PM, Golden Goat said: This^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 So I see the Pentagon has been signed to be the f’ing Baby Sitters Club. Great. That’s what I want my generals doing....babysitting bastard kids from Honduras. Great. Swell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 5:29 PM, ALF said: Cost of detaining migrant kids higher than keeping them with families By Bob Fredericks June 20, 2018 The cost of holding migrant children who have been separated from their parents in “tent cities” is $775 per person per night — far more expensive than keeping kids with their parents in detention centers, a new report said Wednesday. The reason for the higher cost to taxpayers, according to an official at the Department of Health and Human Services, is that the need to arrange for security, bring in air conditioning, medical workers and other government contractors is much higher than the costs for existing facilities that are already staffed, NBC News reported. It costs $256 per night to hold kids in permanent HHS facilities like Casa Padre in Brownsville, Texas. Keeping them with their parents in detention centers like the one run by ICE in Dilley, Texas, cost $298 per person per night, according to an agency estimate when it awarded the contract for the facility in 2014, the network reported. https://nypost.com/2018/06/20/cost-of-detaining-migrant-kids-more-expensive-than-keeping-them-with-families/ This^ On 6/20/2018 at 8:48 PM, B-Man said: TROLL LEVEL: GRANDMASTER. . This^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: November can't get here fast enough. That is !@#$ing hilarious. You could outsource the legislating to YouTube commenters and come up with better bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 8 hours ago, B-Man said: This^ 7 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: This^ 6 hours ago, B-Man said: AWKWARD! CNN host asks Dem senator if she spoke out about same detention facilities when Obama was prez [video] D’OH! Former Hillary spox highlights AP story alleging Obama-era abuses This^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 6:20 PM, Golden Goat said: Agreed. Why didn't Obama do it? Same photos published in the Los Angeles Times in 2014. Do you ever win a point? ? Important distinction is children and parents were detained together (except in rare cases of suspected trafficking) in 2014 as hope of a deterrent. The courts then ruled children couldn't be detained after public outrage over that policy. So, they were basically released until their court date following that until Trump changed the policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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