Kelvin Benjamin looking good ... where does he rank among AFCE WRs?

[White Linen]

3 hours ago, Commonsense said:

He has a good 5 inches and 40 pounds on most corners, they are coming in low, same as Gronkowski. Sure, he isn’t as agile as smaller WRS and that only hurts his chances of staying healthy.

 

He runs higher than other WR's his size.  

[Bills Fan of St Augustine]

I didn't see Zay Jones on the list. Obvious omission.

[John from Riverside]

35 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

He runs higher than other WR's his size.  

Look at the way his is biult....he is a fricken gazelle

[H2o]

I say Edelman because he has the production and has made some big time plays. At the same token Brady has made many a WR rich in the NFL. Benjamin has the potential to be the best WR in the AFC East, but we have to see him stay healthy and put it all together on the field. 

[John from Riverside]

What I find interesting is the trends of fans complaints

 

This year the trend seems to be "our guys dont run 4.3's so they are not fast enough"

 

It was not that long ago that the trend was "we have a WR core full of smurfs....nobody with any size"

 

Now we have several players that run 4.4 and a HUGE WR in KB........but it is a cast of no names

[BigDingus]

When healthy, both Edelman & Benjamin are pretty even, although they offer completely different skill sets.

If Brandin Cooks was was still in the AFCE, I'd throw him a notch above both, but I think it's a tossup between Edleman & Benjamin. 

However, when it comes to consistency & making clutch plays, I'd take Edelman. It's not always the big TD or 50 yard bomb that makes the difference in the game, but picking up those small first downs in crucial moments, or being able to elude one tackle and eek out that extra yard that can change a game. Edelman does that every game, while Benjamin is more like Watkins & disappears for stretches at a time.

[CommonCents]

25 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

What I find interesting is the trends of fans complaints

 

This year the trend seems to be "our guys dont run 4.3's so they are not fast enough"

 

It was not that long ago that the trend was "we have a WR core full of smurfs....nobody with any size"

 

Now we have several players that run 4.4 and a HUGE WR in KB........but it is a cast of no names

Kolby Listenbee didn’t teach you anything John? For months you said he would make a difference and the guy never even made it on the field. Albeit for different reasons but speed by itself means nothing, it never did and it never will. 

 

That’s why a guy like Goodwin had potential when healthy, he could get off the line and get into his route. Kerley and Benjamin are the only proven guys and neither of them are speed demons. 

 

Heres to hoping one of the young guys continues to impress during TC and then into the season.

 

4.4/4.3 means nothing 

[John from Riverside]

42 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Kolby Listenbee didn’t teach you anything John? For months you said he would make a difference and the guy never even made it on the field. Albeit for different reasons but speed by itself means nothing, it never did and it never will. 

 

That’s why a guy like Goodwin had potential when healthy, he could get off the line and get into his route. Kerley and Benjamin are the only proven guys and neither of them are speed demons. 

 

Heres to hoping one of the young guys continues to impress during TC and then into the season.

 

4.4/4.3 means nothing 

We will never know what Kolbe could have been to the team because we never got to see it.....the "idea" of his speed was enticing.

 

I agree that Kerley and Benjamin are the only two known quantities at this point.

 

In a way this is what is making this offseason exciting......the thought that some of these no name guys might actually have something to offer.

 

And dont dismiss streeter.....I watched him as a Raider and he does make plays

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

When healthy, both Edelman & Benjamin are pretty even, although they offer completely different skill sets.

If Brandin Cooks was was still in the AFCE, I'd throw him a notch above both, but I think it's a tossup between Edleman & Benjamin. 

However, when it comes to consistency & making clutch plays, I'd take Edelman. It's not always the big TD or 50 yard bomb that makes the difference in the game, but picking up those small first downs in crucial moments, or being able to elude one tackle and eek out that extra yard that can change a game. Edelman does that every game, while Benjamin is more like Watkins & disappears for stretches at a time.

funny most sites have Edelman and Benjamin ranked between 35-39 best wr.  Not a lot of star wr's in the afce....

[3rdand12]

15 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Just hope he pulls in  a few TD’s this year ..they are paying him $8 mil..

 

Whilst that isn’t going to break any League WR payment records, it’s quite a lot next to most of his team mates..

why wouldn't he ? Honestly. If you look back at all the factors of last season as a Bill , it was highly unlikely he could have much success besides being a red zone threat.
Playbook, injuries , Tyrod * , injuries.

 gets a mulligan for sure.
Nice to see some good reports coming out !
Keep in mind where he was drafted, and his impressive physical presence. Look at his first season maybe ?
 Lets hold out some hope for him.

 

Thinks he is a solid two. and could be for some time because he can line up anywhere for a mismatch.

 Health and developing the skills to keep those knees from harm are his keys to the game.

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

why wouldn't he ? Honestly. If you look back at all the factors of last season as a Bill , it was highly unlikely he could have much success besides being a red zone threat.
Playbook, injuries , Tyrod * , injuries.

 gets a mulligan for sure.
Nice to see some good reports coming out !
Keep in mind where he was drafted, and his impressive physical presence. Look at his first season maybe ?
 Lets hold out some hope for him.

 

Thinks he is a solid two. and could be for some time because he can line up anywhere for a mismatch.

 Health and developing the skills to keep those knees from harm are his keys to the game.

I am hoping KB is just that.....a solid 2

 

And then hoping one or two of these young guys looks like a 2a.

 

Just enough to keep ups going until next year's big cap and free agency to find that 1

[3rdand12]

9 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It is...I still consider him a #1 WR but he's not in the upper half IMO.

When I think of #1, the upper echelon, these guys are difference makers and big time playmakers like an Antonio Brown, OBJ, Julio Jones etc....those are tier 1 guys.

I think Benjamin is a tier 2 #1.

Fair statement. 

 As of right now , i think his only advantages are size and strength. He does "get" the ball when contended.
all about the matchup. 

 

expecting Daboll and Co. to develop his route skills. such as break and separation ( could improve his method ala playoff game ) get lean and get some speed back.

2 hours ago, Commonsense said:

Kolby Listenbee didn’t teach you anything John? For months you said he would make a difference and the guy never even made it on the field. Albeit for different reasons but speed by itself means nothing, it never did and it never will. 

 

That’s why a guy like Goodwin had potential when healthy, he could get off the line and get into his route. Kerley and Benjamin are the only proven guys and neither of them are speed demons. 

 

Heres to hoping one of the young guys continues to impress during TC and then into the season.

 

4.4/4.3 means nothing 

Streater ?

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I am hoping KB is just that.....a solid 2

 

And then hoping one or two of these young guys looks like a 2a.

 

Just enough to keep ups going until next year's big cap and free agency to find that 1

if Bills could put 2+ and a two and 2 3s i would be delighted for now.
Lest us not discount Kerley. I feel he is a solid pickup for this Offense. Not because i know Brians Off.

Just because i think they had eyes on him all along as a fit and were pleased to score him.
Seeing a stocked PS as long as it does not get poached. UDFA Bills WRs FTW !

[mileena]

Cam Newton loved Kelvin Benjamin and says he was their number one receiver at 1:15:

 

 

AFAIC, he is the top WR in the NFL, better than AB, better than Julio. Josh or AJ are so lucky to have him. Combined with Zay, those two will be unstoppable.

Edited June 16, 2018 by mileena

[Bills Wilk]

Never heard of Robby Anderson

[YoloinOhio]

23 minutes ago, Bills Wilk said:

Never heard of Robby Anderson

He was a udfa out of Temple, he was second year guy last year who became their #1 wr. He’s fast and a good player. Beat Tre white on a TD on TNF I believe. He’s kind of a headcase type. Maybe why he wasn’t drafted 

[Bing Bong]

21 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

). It just shows how dependent the receiver position is. Edleman might not be in the nfl if he didn’t land with the Pats. Now, he might be the “best” receiver in the division

Edelman has a ton of talent, don't discount that because he plays for the Pats.

 

I think it's more about chemistry with a quarterback. Tyrod had chemistry with Watkins, would never have liked a guy like Benjamin. Wilson has really never used Graham to the max. He wants his guys OPEN. Not "I'm not open but I'm running and I promise I'll fight for the ball because that's my thing".

 

Then you have mccown who is a quarterback dependent to his receivers. Remember when they were going to bench Cutler because he was lobbing 50 TDs to Alshon Jeffrey? Or when he did the same with Terrell Pryor?

 

Then watch Kirk not gel with Pryor the year after. Cutler with Jeffrey.

35 minutes ago, Bills Wilk said:

Never heard of Robby Anderson

Dude just Google him

Edited June 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Edelman has a ton of talent, don't discount that because he plays for the Pats.

 

I think it's more about chemistry with a quarterback. Tyrod had chemistry with Watkins, would never have liked a guy like Benjamin. Wilson has really never used Graham to the max. He wants his guys OPEN. Not "I'm not open but I'm running and I promise I'll fight for the ball because that's my thing".

 

Then you have mccown who is a quarterback dependent to his receivers. Remember when they were going to bench Cutler because he was lobbing 50 TDs to Alshon Jeffrey? Or when he did the same with Terrell Pryor?

 

Then watch Kirk not gel with Pryor the year after. Cutler with Jeffrey.

Dude just Google him before you out yourself as not knowing the best rookie WR season last year

He actually wasn’t a rookie last year, he was signed as a udfa in 2016.

[Bing Bong]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He actually wasn’t a rookie last year, he was signed as a udfa in 2016.

Dangit I immediately edited that post!

 

I will say that mccown has a knack for being dependent on the receiver when others don't. It seems a few receivers best seasons (Jeffrey, Pryor, Anderson) are with mccown. Pretty remarkable.

Edited June 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Dangit I immediately edited that post!

 

I will say that mccown has a knack for being dependent on the receiver when others don't. It seems a few receivers best seasons (Jeffrey, Pryor, Anderson) are with mccown. Pretty remarkable.

Mccown is Fitz-like. Fitzy did that for Stevie, Brandon Marshall, even TO loved him 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

17 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I am hoping KB is just that.....a solid 2

 

And then hoping one or two of these young guys looks like a 2a.

 

Just enough to keep ups going until next year's big cap and free agency to find that 1

 

...if 100% healthy, it's a realistic expectation especially in his contract year.....if he really excels, he could be your #1 next year with some of the $85 mil in FA bucks....

[Bing Bong]

Y

23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Mccown is Fitz-like. Fitzy did that for Stevie, Brandon Marshall, even TO loved him 

Counterpoints to the quarterback makes the WR. 2 Quarterbacks where their receiver made them.

 

Too many narratives I'm crusading to destroy at this point. Peterman revisionist history, Whaley didn't have a plan (he failed but he clearly had a plan), the "fact" that a good quarteback could have TBD members trotting out as his WRs and "give them real WR #s".

 

A good quarterback still sucks when he doesn't have skill position help. If some people on here are GMs with Drew Brees at QB they'd surround him with Tolbert in the flats, David Nelson, naaman Roosevelt, philly brown, and Robert royal and expect 1200 yard 10 TD seasons from Nelson and Philly.

 

There's a reason the Falcons GM drafted Julio Jones (even with peak Roddy White on the roster), Calvin Ridley, Austin Hooper in the 3rd for Matt Ryan.. he's not an idiot. was a good GM and knew Matt Ryan's weapons on offense would be his formula for creating a Superbowl team, league best offense, and MVP caliber Matt Ryan.

Edited June 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[KD in CA]

Benjamin is the best receiver.

 

Edleman is largely a  product of his system and QB.   Put him on any other team and he's an above-average slot guy.

[Beast]

On 6/15/2018 at 1:47 AM, Jay_Fixit said:

Yes I’m sure. Because I wrote the words.

 

Are you sure? I didn’t see by Jay_Fixit.

[NoSaint]

On 6/15/2018 at 2:38 AM, Aussie Joe said:

Just hope he pulls in  a few TD’s this year ..they are paying him $8 mil..

 

Whilst that isn’t going to break any League WR payment records, it’s quite a lot next to most of his team mates..

 

Its below average WR1 money, and I’d guess he’s among a very small number that are definitive #1 WRs for their team getting paid less than the top TE and RB on their team.

 

hes a value player, generally speaking, even though I’m not a huge fan of his. He should produce, but I don’t think he’s a true game changer.

48 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...if 100% healthy, it's a realistic expectation especially in his contract year.....if he really excels, he could be your #1 next year with some of the $85 mil in FA bucks....

 

 

If spending big free agent WR dollars, I’m not sure the big slow guy with bum knees and occasional weight issues is where I’m backing up the brinks truck.

[Bing Bong]

https://www.thesportster.com/football/the-worst-wide-receiver-on-every-nfl-roster-in-2017/

 

Maybe the worst article i've seen. Spoiler: ROBERT WOODS is on here for the Rams

[3rdand12]

13 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Its below average WR1 money, and I’d guess he’s among a very small number that are definitive #1 WRs for their team getting paid less than the top TE and RB on their team.

 

hes a value player, generally speaking, even though I’m not a huge fan of his. He should produce, but I don’t think he’s a true game changer.

 

 

If spending big free agent WR dollars, I’m not sure the big slow guy with bum knees and occasional weight issues is where I’m backing up the brinks truck.

fair take

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

14 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Its below average WR1 money, and I’d guess he’s among a very small number that are definitive #1 WRs for their team getting paid less than the top TE and RB on their team.

 

hes a value player, generally speaking, even though I’m not a huge fan of his. He should produce, but I don’t think he’s a true game changer.

 

 

If spending big free agent WR dollars, I’m not sure the big slow guy with bum knees and occasional weight issues is where I’m backing up the brinks truck.

 

...in NO WAY am I advocating that...hell, we don't even know if he can be a "stay healthy viable #2" yet in 2018......my apology...should have said a BIG IF.......and as far as the Brinks Truck with Watkins like money on the table, tires should be shot out before nearing the loading dock.....absurd.......and OBJ wants $20 mil......SMH....

[John from Riverside]

18 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

fair take

If he produces this year he is gonna get the contract you can believe that

[GoBills808]

On 6/14/2018 at 11:40 PM, GunnerBill said:

So Robby Anderson's best season (2017) and Kelvin Benjamin's best season since his major injury (2016) are exactly the same:

 

63 catches, 14.9 avg, 941 yards, 7 TDs.

 

I think Anderson is the best he is still on the upswing and progressing whereas I fear Benjamin and also Edelman (who has been a stud) are actually on the downslope for different reasons.  Benjamin's separation numbers last year both in Carolina and Buffalo were awful they were among the worst in the whole NFL.  

 

I think Anderson is the only name on that list with a chance to play at an elite level in 2018.  I hope Benjamin can get somewhere close to those 2016 numbers because if he does I will consider that a win for Buffalo.  

Have to disagree. Benjamin put up 1000 his rookie year, 900+ straight off injury, and was well on his way to another 900+ yard season before he got traded to the pass-averse 2017 Bills. He’s only been in the league 4 years...he’s 27. Don’t see how he’s on the downslope at all. Also, ‘separation numbers?’ 

 

Anderson was a nice one year story, much like McCown, and I expect him to fade into the same level of obscurity. Legal issues notwithstanding, I feel confident saying Anderson probably will never match Benjamin’s rookie numbers in his whole career, much less play at an ‘elite’ level. 

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Have to disagree. Benjamin put up 1000 his rookie year, 900+ straight off injury, and was well on his way to another 900+ yard season before he got traded to the pass-averse 2017 Bills. He’s only been in the league 4 years...he’s 27. Don’t see how he’s on the downslope at all. Also, ‘separation numbers?’ 

 

Anderson was a nice one year story, much like McCown, and I expect him to fade into the same level of obscurity. Legal issues notwithstanding, I feel confident saying Anderson probably will never match Benjamin’s rookie numbers in his whole career, much less play at an ‘elite’ level. 

 

Nah. Anderson is a stud. We should have drafted him. Wonder what Kolby Listenbee is up to? 

[Mountain Man]

On 6/15/2018 at 3:08 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

Who has Edelman been complimentary/#2 to in NE?

Gronk.

[BarleyNY]

It’s between Parker and Benjamin. I’ll give the nod to Parker at this time.  Edelman is third, but he’ll likely produce more because of Brady. Pryor didn’t really develop last season, but he’d be my wildcard. 

[GoBills808]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Nah. Anderson is a stud. We should have drafted him. Wonder what Kolby Listenbee is up to? 

We wouldn’t have needed to, he went undrafted ?

 

He’s not terrible but I don’t consider him special at all. Benjamin is the superior wideout and it’s not really close imo.

[3rdand12]

22 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

If he produces this year he is gonna get the contract you can believe that

If he produces and keeps those knees healthy ? 
 I am down with that.

 still  a 2A- 1B for me though.
Next year Bills build the offense off what this years guys can " prove "
 

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

It’s between Parker and Benjamin. I’ll give the nod to Parker at this time.  Edelman is third, but he’ll likely produce more because of Brady. Pryor didn’t really develop last season, but he’d be my wildcard. 

Has Parker put up kb numbers? I didn’t look but it seems not I could be wrong

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

If he produces and keeps those knees healthy ? 
 I am down with that.

 still  a 2A- 1B for me though.
Next year Bills build the offense off what this years guys can " prove "
 

Yep

[Rocky Landing]

I feel like it's been a while since we've had a WR who could consistently catch those kinds of ropes that Newton throws.

[Foreigner]

Besides what he has lost because of surgery, and was damaged goods when he got here, he lost

me with the push off in the end zone in the playoff game. Inexcusable.

[John from Riverside]

28 minutes ago, Foreigner said:

Besides what he has lost because of surgery, and was damaged goods when he got here, he lost

me with the push off in the end zone in the playoff game. Inexcusable.

Are you serious

 

this is what these physical wr do and hardly ever get flagged

 

now your upset just because it didn’t work out

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

15 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

We wouldn’t have needed to, he went undrafted ?

 

He’s not terrible but I don’t consider him special at all. Benjamin is the superior wideout and it’s not really close imo.

 

I know he wasn't drafted. But he should have been. I was on Robby Anderson long before that draft. I loved him at Temple. He is very, very good. He is going to have another excellent year.

 

If you were getting rookie Kelvin Benjamin I'd agree - though his hands were always a legitimate concern. I don't think you are getting that player though. 

[YoloinOhio]

Still looking good in camp