vincec Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I have a hunch that Incognito unreturned so that he can keep his money and the Bills did him a favor by releasing him, I don’t think he’s going to play again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, NoSaint said: He can definitely be a well spoken guy and has a unique perspective... but I think there’s a wide gap between lets have him on set for an interview and let’s sign him to a contract to represent a major network day in and day out. maybe one of the edgier cable or radio programs give him a chance to build his resume and get the ratings boost associated with possible shock value. I can’t see him going major network anytime soon though. He keeps digging his hole deeper. Howard Stern would probably be a good landing spot ? 9 hours ago, Peter said: After what happened, Richie wanted to get his release. Not only did he get his release, he reportedly gets to keep $1.15 million whether he plays another down in the NFL or not. This was money that he would have had to return. It must be nice to get $1.15 million whether you continue to work or not. Because of the way that this was handled, the Bills reportedly do not get to recoup that money and, to add insult to injury, that money is now additional dead money against our cap. Dead Money - Spotrac In the end, we have lost another starting linemen (a pro bowler at that) and, for our trouble, we have another $1.15 in dead money against the cap. To me, there had to be a way to manage this better (both the Bills and Incognito). It would have been nice to keep a pro bowl lineman rather than create an addition hole. It would have been nice to give Shady and whoever starts at QB (especially if it is an untested rookie QB) the best possible protection. Divorces are usually ugly.. Many times one side just throws their hands up and says "screw it, you keep the house, the car, and all my sh*t, I just want to be done with your crazy @$$" 8 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Having his salary cut created ill will and resentment that he couldn’t move past. Who likes having their compensation cut when they are a strong performer? The Bills should have kept his salary the same rather than creating a hole. ~$1.5M wouldn’t have killed them. He chose to take the salary cut. His had a choice to say "no" to it. He got buyer's remorse afterwards, then decided to make a public spectacle of it. You continue to ignore this in your responses, similar to what you do in every other discussion, ignore the things that don't fit your argument. 7 hours ago, The Red King said: I'm sorry, he signed the contract. Welcome to the real world. You sign a contract, you honor it. And don't give me any BS about him giving his agent the power to sign a contract. If that's what happened it's still on him because he gave his agent that power. We're talking NFL money, there is no way I allow my agent to sign anything. You work out a deal, shoot me the numbers, and let me make the final decision. Whether what the Bills offered was fair or not is completely irrelevant. Richie agreed to it and should have honored it. Exactly. 6 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: You realize the team signs the contract too and they can cut him at any time? The NFL salary structure is at least 75% based on signing bonuses. This is not the NBA or MLB. The player has every right to hold out and demand what the market will pay. The team has no obligation to renegotiate of course. This has nothing to do with honor. It is economics. He signed it donk. Holdouts are before you sign it, like you feel you underpaid, you ask for a raise, they refuse it, you say "fine I'm not gonna play". Instead they asked him to take a paycut, he said "sure" then decided afterwards he didn't like what he did, so started with the retirement circus. If he wasn't happy with the initial paycut then he shouldn't have signed the contract. The NFL CBA is something the player's Union signed, which allows for non guaranteed contracts, again that's on them for signing it For the record I liked 'cog. I think he plays hard every down and is very skilled. I also think he's completely wrong in how he handled it. Edited May 23, 2018 by SouthNYfan Format 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I agree. But, on the other hand, if I'm a team looking to shell out a contract for a 34 yr old guard, I look at his baggage. And that Miami thing is part of his baggage, along with his previous history with the Rams. He rehabilitated himself as a player in Miami and in Buffalo, but if I'm a GM I look at his very public behavior towards Buffalo, his previous history of drug and alcohol abuse and erratic behavior with the Rams and in Miami, and say "hmmmm" Correct. In my original post in this thread I said there is more to this story. I did know Richie battled with substance abuse. I hope he isn’t losing that battle currently. I also agree at the end of the day Richies recent actions may not help him end up with a contract much more than the Bills have him. Richie will need to decide on health vs money maybe still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 10 hours ago, Idandria said: The Bills have been the best running team in the NFL the past couple years. fred Jackson’s 200+ yard rushing game. He was blowing open huge holes for him to run thru. HOF performance. Yes, without Jason Peters at LT.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Peter said: That goes both ways. ...what...does that even mean? ? Yes...it goes both ways. Regardless of whether or not the contract was fair, once both parties signed it, they should both honor it...and...the Bills had every intention of honoring the new contract, so I have no clue whatsoever what you're getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 21 hours ago, Sky Diver said: How has he been a problem here before they jerked him around? They asked him to take a pay cut and gave him a signing bonus as part of that. That’s not uncommon for a 34 year old player and I certainly wouldn’t call it jerking him around. He agreed, took the signing bonus and then retired without so much as even attending one practice or off season workout. That is an extremely rare, if not unprecedented, situation and one I’d definitely classify as him jerking the Bills around. Especially with the request for release so he could potentially play elsewhere and Twitter BS. 21 hours ago, Best Player Available said: Might not ever know how that went down. Unless cogs signed a new agent. and at some date talks. Otherwise once you're cut you owe the team nothing in terms of signing bonuses, etc. You have to wonder how many ex employees, etc. on the Pegulas sports teams. Are sitting on their couch waiting for those checks to roll in? Most likely more than any other owner. Usually that’s true with signing bonuses, but this would be a bad faith situation. They can be recouped in such situations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 19 hours ago, Doc said: He's got one year left and might have been looking for a decent-sized long-term deal with a new team. I don't know. It will be interesting to see where, if anywhere, he ends up, and for how much. An NFL team is going to give a 34 year old OG with chronic behavioral issues a decent long term deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Can we please get the thread title updated to reflect he was cut?! It is very misleading. [edit: done -mod] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 7 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: I wonder how Incognito would have been treated if he was black. I'm not a fan of that white privilege ****, but why did they release him from the retired designation? He didn't deserve it, and they didn't do it with Anquan who they signed under false pretenses. I know most of you hate it, but this regime's talk of character, faith, and how they treat guys is messy. I hate his success, but when do you hear belichick ever wander outside of production when it comes to players? Getting into all of that other **** gets messy, and I don't like that they do it. Except all of this wasn't invented yesterday. He knew this when signed the restructured contract. Who willingly takes pay cut then holds out? Where are you getting that they signed Boldin "under false pretenses"? That's just silly. 32 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: An NFL team is going to give a 34 year old OG with chronic behavioral issues a decent long term deal? No. I said he might have been looking for one, hence the reason no team would trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, The Red King said: ...what...does that even mean? ? Yes...it goes both ways. Regardless of whether or not the contract was fair, once both parties signed it, they should both honor it...and...the Bills had every intention of honoring the new contract, so I have no clue whatsoever what you're getting at. In other words, by the reasoning you and some others have employed, the Bills should not even have approached Incognito's representative to take a pay cut because both parties had signed the initial deal and should live by the contract to which they had agreed. That is what that means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 What is incognito's deal? A player can just retire, get released, then play for another team? Sounds odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, HeHateMe said: What is incognito's deal? A player can just retire, get released, then play for another team? Sounds odd. Skipped a step. Player can retire Player can unretire Team then has to make decision, do they want unretired player on their roster (and release someone else to make room), or no? Team decides no and releases player Player can then play for another team It's pretty unusual, I'll grant you that 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Peter said: In other words, by the reasoning you and some others have employed, the Bills should not even have approached Incognito's representative to take a pay cut because both parties had signed the initial deal and should live by the contract to which they had agreed. That is what that means. Sorry, false logic. Players and teams are both welcome to renegotiate at any time. See, Coggie had this little tool at his disposal. He was asked to take a pay cut, not demanded. As a result, and I know this may sound crazy to you, stay with me... ...Richie could have said "No." rather then signing the new contract. Wild, I know. And you know what, if he had, I might even be on his side in all this for all the reasons mentioned in this thread. But he didn't. He signed on the dotted line, saying with crystal clarity "I accept these new terms that you offered, and agree to play by them." At that point, any right to complain about those terms went right out the window. That is my reasoning. If one side or the other wants to change the terms, they are more then welcome to readdress the topic, but in the end the signed contract is the default. Bottom line, if Cogs didn't like the terms and wanted to fight for more money, that all should have been done before signing the new contract. He lost any right to complain after he put his name to the paper. Edited May 23, 2018 by The Red King 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 33 minutes ago, The Red King said: Sorry, false logic. Not really, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I doubt he gets any type of big $$, and in fact will probably end up getting less than his pay cut here would have paid him. Maybe he figures by keeping his bonus from the pay cut contract, and adding in his new deal he will come out ahead. I see a pretty low market for his services, though. Especially after his recent behavior on twitter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
707BillsFan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Went to New Era last Friday. His jersey was on the discount rack. I think that means they've moved on and he won't be back. I debated on the purchase, but passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 42 minutes ago, Peter said: Not really, but whatever. How is it not really? He was approached about a paycut. He could have said "no" He didn't. He took the paycut. Then he decided he didn't like it, had "buyer's remorse" so to speak. Guess what? Don't sign the freaking deal if you don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, 707BillsFan said: Went to New Era last Friday. His jersey was on the discount rack. I think that means they've moved on and he won't be back. I debated on the purchase, but passed. But you could go to a Raider or 49er's game Incognito ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: Guess what? Don't sign the freaking deal if you don't like it. Where were you when I should have said 'no' to that '78 AMC Pacer?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
707BillsFan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said: But you could go to a Raider or 49er's game Incognito ? Dang, now I'm regretting my decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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