CuddyDark Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Yep. Predicted this would be the pick at 12. He's just their kind of player. I don't think they care about talent in as much as they care about how they can exhaust the talent. If they have similar grades on Allen and Rosen and Rudolph, I think they'd take Rudolph even if he's graded slightly lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 37 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: I think draft night will end up with Rudolph wearing a New England Patriots’ uniform. I think they will trade ahead of us into the teens to grab him if he is still there after our pick at 12. After two years of watching and learning behind Brady I think Rudolph will be a solid pro QB, much to all of our regret. I hope I’m wrong. I was thinking the same thing. If NE picks Rudolph everybody is go say they did a great job and made a smart pick, probably getting the best pocket passer available in the draft. If the Bills pick him its going to be a reach. I haven't heard a thing in the football world about what a strategic blunder it was to trade Garoppolo to SF for a 2nd rounder. They idea I guess was the pick would be at the top of the round and it would be like a late 1st rounder. The plan backfired when he started and ran up 5 straight wins to close out the season. They had their successor and outsmarted themselves. Whoever the Patriots pick I rest easy knowing its 100% certain that he's not going to be as productive as Brady and that team's dominance over the Bills because of the huge advantage behind center is no longer the big edge. As for the Bills, the problem is you just don't know how all these guys are going to translate to the NFL. I trust Beane knows his stuff, has done his homework, and is prepared for whatever scenarios unfold and will make the best pick given the circumstances. I'm no expert at college QB's and I've seen all these guys play a game or two and in my view they all have flaws. Its a question of what they are, can you live with them, and are they correctable? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: I just have to say its both funny and desperate that people are willing to take Allen over Rudolph. All because the media painted him as one of the "big four." ^^^^^^this just like Rosen’s 5 minutes interview yesterday , they heard him say he’s willing to work harder then anyone cause he wants to be the GOAT ! And that was it EVERYBODY wants Rosen , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 For some reason when all is said and done I think the best QB in this draft is going to be someone that nobody is talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) If I'm running things I'm taking Lamar over Rudolph at 12. I'm not considering Rudolph until pick 22. Willing to trade up for (in order of preference): Darnold Mayfield Rosen Taking at 12 (in order): Jackson Allen Considering at 22: Rudolph When thinking of Rudolph all I can think of is Zach Mettenberger. Decent arm, huge stats throwing to 2 top level college WRs (Jarvis Landry and OBJ for Mettenberger) who made him look a lot better than he actually was. Edited April 25, 2018 by Mark80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Way to leave a guy hanging!!! An excellent WHAT??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, macaroni said: we need a QB ..... if we can't find a trade partner for the QB we want, then getting Rudolph is a no brainer. I've always thought he was a viable "plan B" @ pick 22 .... but the more I think about how many QB needy teams are out there, I guess Rudolph at pick 12 shouldn't be out of the question. For example- If Darnold is plan A and is the only QB that McBean is willing to move up and give up bunch of picks for , and Cleveland takes him at 1 Rudolph is plan B , then take him at 12 why gamble and have someone jump in front of you and take him ? Especially team like NE* F@$& the LB’s , DT and every other position Lets get our QB already , 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 34 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: I just have to say its both funny and desperate that people are willing to take Allen over Rudolph. All because the media painted him as one of the "big four." There was some quote around the combine from a FO executive. He was asked, “why do football people like Allen more than fans?” His answer, “because we know more about football than they do.” He was then asked, “why are fans higher on Mason Rudolph than football people?” His answer, “because we know more about football than they do.” Take it FWIW and it is one man’s opinion. I couldn’t find the exact quote but you get the point. I’m not saying that it is right or wrong. Allen though isn’t some “media created darling.” He is a product of the scouting community loving his physical skills. The ego believes that their team can harness those gifts. It all remains to be seen but “football people” like Allen more than regular people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 hours ago, racketmaster said: There are some experts that like Rudolph. Trent Dilfer thinks he is underrated and is very similar to Nick Foles. Steve Fairchild (ex OC) did a deep analysis on Rudolph and has him as a first round talent ahead of Jackson and Mayfield. Chris Trapasso at CBS has had Rudolph as his #1 qb. There are others but your point is generally true in that Rudolph is typically viewed In the second tier of qbs after the top 4 and Jackson. Thanks. That gives me a little encouragement, if the Bills go that route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 I'm screwed. I'm not okay with going full Ditka to trade up. I'm also not okay with staying pat and drafting our future backup QB (Rudolf, for example) with a later first round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Nah. He's coming out of the same system that made the Browns believe that Brandon Weeden was a first round pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 a qb that comes from a 1 read offense, and didnt have to learn how to read coverages? Please no, I wouldnt take him until the third. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Of course I will support him but I will not be happy tomorrow night. At all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Yes. He will be an upgrade from last years qb’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: I think Rudolph could become a good NFL starter. I would be happy with them selecting him, though I would hope that they could do it a shade later than 12, but not sure they can wait till 22 if they want him. I Agree ! All of the prospects this year have somethings they can work on but in the Bills position i think whoever they draft they will have them sit this year to learn how much faster the NFL is than college seeing as they have AJ . I would rather they take Rudolph later & get say Roquan at 12 but i don't think Rudolph would last until 22 but that would be my dream draft scenario Roquan at 12 & Rudolph at 22 ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: There was some quote around the combine from a FO executive. He was asked, “why do football people like Allen more than fans?” His answer, “because we know more about football than they do.” He was then asked, “why are fans higher on Mason Rudolph than football people?” His answer, “because we know more about football than they do.” Take it FWIW and it is one man’s opinion. I couldn’t find the exact quote but you get the point. I’m not saying that it is right or wrong. Allen though isn’t some “media created darling.” He is a product of the scouting community loving his physical skills. The ego believes that their team can harness those gifts. It all remains to be seen but “football people” like Allen more than regular people. Yep this. People make such a big deal about completion percentage and numbers and crap like that and want to draft a career backup at 12. Honestly, if a person cannot see the upside of Allen and see the limitations of Rudolph, I don't know what to say. This is about as obvious as it gets and people need to understand that the draft is about upside projection and having a guy who can make NFL throws consistently. That is not Rudolph. He is a third round pick. He is no better than Aj McCarron or Nathan Peterman, in fact I think both have more upside. Therefore, why bother? I may spontaneously combust if we draft him in the first round. If you want to take him in the third to add depth to the position, cool. But taking him in the first, let alone 12, is utter insanity. Fans are projecting something with Rudolph that simply isn't there. They are hopeful that we can get him without trading up and he will somehow be the answer. He simply is not the answer. I also love the narrative that Allen was surrounded by all of this NFL talent in 2016 and still had some accuracy issues. Who are these guys? Brian Hill, a running back drafted by the Falcons who got cut, wound up on the Bengals practice squad and had like 30 yards rushing. Chase Roullier, a sixth round center who may start for the Redskins this year. Jacob Hollister an UDFA of the Patriots who was their 3rd-4th tight end. Tanner Gentry, an UDFA receiver who was on the Bears practice squad. The bottom line is that this guy played with nobody. I'm all in on Rosen, but anyone who denies the tremendous upside of Allen really has no clue what they are talking about. Edited April 25, 2018 by MrEpsYtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Not drafting him either. Riley Ferguson is going to be the pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 I think he's the 4th best of the QB's... I'd be OK to MEH getting him at 12, but psyched if we had to wait and plucked him at 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, mead107 said: Not drafting him either. Riley Ferguson is going to be the pick I think I might hate Rudolph as much as you love Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 !@#$ no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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