bdutton Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Commonsense said: If it's Allen, Mayfield, Rosen or Darnold I will give them until halfway of 19' Dallas Cowboys drafted Troy Aikman and started him for most of his rookie season. They went 1-15 that season and Aikman threw 15 picks and only 9td's. In his second season, the Cowboys went 7-9 with him as a starter and he threw 18 picks and only 11TD's. In 1991, despite throwing only 11 TD's and 10 ints and played in 12 games. Despite that he remained the starter and now he's a hall of famer. Giving a top tier QB prospect only 1-1/2 years to develop is a mistake unless he is stinking it up so bat that he's an obvious failure. Although with numbers like Aikmans, you'd think he could be a bust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crowing Rooster Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Til he throws his first interception in training camp ? How about OTA'S then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 They get two years minimum from me before I call for their head..... that doesn't mean I will blindly only say positive things until then but I will be for them staying in and working through any struggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, K-9 said: As long as it takes to know one way or the other. I like the old standard of 1,000 attempts. 1000 pass attempts? Just for calibration ....in an effective offense, that's approximately 2 years of attempts Chargers gave up on Drew Brees and drafted Philip Rivers after 909 Brees attempts, after which he won comeback player of the year, they franchised him, then let him walk to NO. Took Alex Smith about 1500 attempts to start looking like an effective NFL QB (in his 6th season, but of course he didn't play) I'm not sure that's a good one-size-fits-all metric? Might be enough for a pro-style college QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Behind our current OL, about three snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 It depends ... If the new QB is the one I wanted to draft, I will make excuses for three or four seasons as to why he isn't performing. If the new QB is one that I hate going in to the draft, I'm starting to B word, piss&moan from his first incompletion/interception until he's ridden out of town three or four seasons. That's just the way we roll here at TBD. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 After 12 games in one season we will have a strong idea. After 24 games total I honestly think we will know the forever on a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 For my own sanity I have to believe the rookie will be better then AJ so I will say 1 year max or if AJ gets hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Well, for one QB and one fan at least, you have your answer. They will give him "-6" days before his draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 quarter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: 1000 pass attempts? Just for calibration ....in an effective offense, that's approximately 2 years of attempts Chargers gave up on Drew Brees and drafted Philip Rivers after 909 Brees attempts, after which he won comeback player of the year, they franchised him, then let him walk to NO. Took Alex Smith about 1500 attempts to start looking like an effective NFL QB (in his 6th season, but of course he didn't play) I'm not sure that's a good one-size-fits-all metric? Might be enough for a pro-style college QB. Nothing is one size fits all. The 1,000 attempts metric goes back decades in personnel circles as a general rule of thumb. Nothing is etched in stone though. Some teams and prospects see and need less, some see and need more before deciding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 2 hours ago, first_and_ten said: Peterman will be a legend around here for years unless by some miracle he becomes great. Anytime a QB throws 3 or more picks in a game, it will be known as "pulling a Peterman". 2 hours ago, sven233 said: If it's Allen, he may not even be ready in 2 years........ Maybe it's just me, but the idea of trading up giving up serious draft picks for a guy that is a project and very well may not even play at all in 2018 sounds plain crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 A lot of this depends on the offense. If we draft a QB and Daboll has them throwing for 250 or 300 yards a game and we are scoring 21 plus points but he throws a few picks type of deal I will feel like we can get it together. If Daboll is super conservative and we push a rookie QB out there and he's throwing about as many times as Tyrod did but throwing more picks (because he's a rookie) and we are scoring 18 points a game and generally looking non competitive again I'm not going to blame the QB. At the very least I'm not going to start with the QB. Get an OC who knows how to run a competitive NFL offense. We have just as much riding on our pick at OC as we do any pick at QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam727 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Ah, spring. Just days before the draft, when a Bills fan's thoughts turn to franchise quarterbacks. It's a given we will be taking one high, likely with a trade up. And of course the expectation is that QB will start immediately and be great. But deep down we all know how this will play out. The fanbase is divided over who to take, even if we picked first. And whoever falls to us will be considered a consolation prize and a sign that Beane got cold feet with his trade up offers. But we will end up with someone. And it's likely they will be uneven. Some good things, some bad. Opinions will be formed in OTA's and camp. Some will panic. Some will defend him. So my question is how long do we fans give our new franchise QB before we start talking about the 2019 draft? I would give any rookie QB a minimum of 3 years before declaring him a bust. But I'd be looking for a viable plan B as early as the 2019 draft if I didn't like what i saw in 2018. I'd rather waste a pick on a 2nd QB that we don't end up needing (and can trade later) than wasting 3 years if we end up drafting another JP Losman / EJ Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I think McCarron starts no matter what. I’ll give him 4 games. Then it’s sink or swim time for the rookie I don't think there's an unreasonable chance Mccarron plays just well enough to hold the job. Want to know what McD and co really think of him because they certainly play favorites at QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 33 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I don't think there's an unreasonable chance Mccarron plays just well enough to hold the job. Want to know what McD and co really think of him because they certainly play favorites at QB Definitely a decent chance a vet can beat out a rook at QB. At least intitially. Curious take on McD and co with QBs. Play favorites? The inherited QB that they didn't even really want started 15 of 16 games last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 He'll be labeled a bust by 10% of the people here before he gets his bro hug from Goober Goodell. Another 5% will label him a bust by the end of mini camp. Add another 5% by the end of training camp. I'd give him this year as the chief clipboard holder, next year as a serious challenger to McCarron, and he should have the job won coming out of the gates in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I love how we talk about the huge need for a "franchise" QB but then think we can trade the 12th pick in the draft plus multiple other picks and then sit on our thumbs for years for them to be ready. Either this is old school play defense and sound offense bring the QB along over several seasons or this is the trade everything for a "franchise" QB, all in, the only way NFL that most of this board thinks it is. No way we are trading Cordy Glen, Dareous (essentially), plus the 12th pick in the draft to take a QB and then have a career backup start. If he's that good of a QB he'll be able to play week 1 with my only exception being if the OC is again incapable of dialing up a game plan that can keep the other team from eating us alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 2, 3 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: Definitely a decent chance a vet can beat out a rook at QB. At least intitially. Curious take on McD and co with QBs. Play favorites? The inherited QB that they didn't even really want started 15 of 16 games last season. they really wanted to get Peterman in is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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