BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 While I understand the importance and theory, is it a deal breaker? Cold weathered QB's in the league have denounced that stigma, ie Rodgers. That said, it seems to me that hand STRENGTH is much more important. Why do we never see any stats on that? 9 inch hands with 130 lbs pressure is way better to hold a football than 10 inch hands with 100 lbs...just a thought. Will this ever become the norm in evaluation of QB's, or are we forever a non evolving league? Strong hands hold the ball alot better when hit from the blindside than a big hand. Anylitics depts should be all over this as the path to future evaluations IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Yep. Grip strength. It's definitely measurable, so I'm sure they'll eventually start doing it. Grip strength is why rock climbers always seem to win America Ninja Warrior. Not just the big "strong" athletes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 You know what they say about a QB with big hands... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Don't Give these folks any more to think about, They are maxed out already. lol 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) I get the concept but I have a hard time seeing coaches using this measurable because the plan is to not get your QB hit from behind, if at all. It's a defensive measurable for an offensive position. Sounds like playing not to lose to me. Also I doubt that players are going to be gripping the ball as hard as they can when they throw it or are getting ready to throw it. Reminds me of pitching, loose but firm grip. Edited April 20, 2018 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, kdiggz said: You know what they say about a QB with big hands... A tight ends best friend! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Original Byrd Man said: Don't Give these folks any more to think about, They are maxed out already. lol Lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, Original Byrd Man said: Don't Give these folks any more to think about, They are maxed out already. lol So true. I am borderline going crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I get the concept but I have a hard time seeing coaches using this measurable because the plan is to not get your QB hit from behind, if at all. It's a defensive measurable for an offensive position. Sounds like playing not to lose to me. Also I doubt that players are going to be gripping the ball as hard as they can when they throw it or are getting ready to throw it. Reminds me of pitching, loose but firm grip. On the contrary sir. If we/they/ them, all judge hand SIZE as the definition of a strong, capable QB, then why WOULDN'T you include the most important factor of all when it comes to "that" measurable in a QB? That being hand strength rather than size. 38 minutes ago, kdiggz said: You know what they say about a QB with big hands... Is "they" a "she"? Edited April 20, 2018 by BuffAlone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 Its a legit question folks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: On the contrary sir. If we/they/ them, all judge hand SIZE as the definition of a strong, capable QB, then why WOULDN'T you include the most important factor of all when it comes to "that" measurable in a QB? That being hand strength rather than size. Well, I'm just guessing because I really don't know, but hand size,to me, likely correlates more to accuracy and ball flight. I'm sure there are people with small hands that can throw accurate and throw a tight spiral but they probably lack in other areas. Like I said, I get it but I don't think it's something that is going to be used because of the fact it sounds like a fallback measurable. It's like measuring a point guard on his ability to shoot. Is it good, yes. Is it required, not as much as his ability to run the offense and pass the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 55 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Yep. Grip strength. It's definitely measurable, so I'm sure they'll eventually start doing it. Grip strength is why rock climbers always seem to win America Ninja Warrior. Not just the big "strong" athletes. Should we be scouting Ninja Warriors? THAT sounds like a pretty cool story! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Well, I'm just guessing because I really don't know, but hand size,to me, likely correlates more to accuracy and ball flight. I'm sure there are people with small hands that can throw accurate and throw a tight spiral but they probably lack in other areas. Like I said, I get it but I don't think it's something that is going to be used because of the fact it sounds like a fallback measurable. It's like measuring a point guard on his ability to shoot. Is it good, yes. Is it required, not as much as his ability to run the offense and pass the ball. I understand that point. Aaron Rodgers has "small" hands, plays in a cold weather, outdoor stadium. That said, I just think the bigger measurement should be strength v.s. size. I'm willing to bet that these come to the forefront in QB's in the near future, same as it applies to WR's. It's That important. I truly believe that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 52 minutes ago, kdiggz said: You know what they say about a QB with big hands... Josh "Big Hands" Allen the man with the 10 1/8" sch-----g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, horned dogs said: Josh "Big Hands" Allen the man with the 10 1/8" sch-----g Every 1/8 th counts! Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 This is why trump doesn’t play QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: This is why trump doesn’t play QB. Ahh, the perfect "Storm". Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Hand size is only one of those things that can only hurt you not help you. Having a 10” vs 10.5” hand doesn’t matter. Having a 9.25” hand is terrible. To add on, it’s not so much good vs. bad. It’s another metric to help add to the mix when playing the percentages of probability of being good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 My hand is huge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: My hand is huge Or maybe you're holding the wrong balls?? Optical illusions are a real thing, just like boob sweat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Best thread title ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: Best thread title ever. Thanks lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I'm tempted to say it is the most meaningless, useless stat in all of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 Size you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: Yep. Grip strength. It's definitely measurable, so I'm sure they'll eventually start doing it. Grip strength is why rock climbers always seem to win America Ninja Warrior. Not just the big "strong" athletes. Yup, as someone with hands on the smaller side I always trained my grip strength. Doing deadlifts without straps always, indoor rock climbing, and farmers walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: Yup, as someone with hands on the smaller side I always trained my grip strength. Doing deadlifts without straps always, indoor rock climbing, and farmers walk. To me, it just matters more than size. Small hand complex maybe, but ocean motion is real? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: To me, it just matters more than size. Small hand complex maybe, but ocean motion is real? Whopper hands for the win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 With cheese! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, Logic said: My hands are smaller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, mead107 said: My hands are smaller Explains all the handyman jobs you do. Small hands make the job easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 Big hands, I know you're the one.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Ten inches and some change... -That's what Russell Wilson has.... Helps directional control a lot... and helps the QB hang onto the rock when he's on the run... Ideally, I'd like my QB to have at least 91/2... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 21, 2018 Author Share Posted April 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, #34fan said: Ten inches and some change... -That's what Russell Wilson has.... Helps directional control a lot... and helps the QB hang onto the rock when he's on the run... Ideally, I'd like my QB to have at least 91/2... #34 I often agree with you, but No. The big hand thing should not exceed hand strength. Talk about holding onto the ball while on the run? That's more important I think. Don't you agree?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: #34 I often agree with you, but No. The big hand thing should not exceed hand strength. Talk about holding onto the ball while on the run? That's more important I think. Don't you agree?? I agree with hand and arm strength being critical... I personally think a bigger-size hand compliments both... You look at guys who can pull the ball down and take off in traffic.. A QB needs a tight grip in case the pocket suddenly gets crowded. Edited April 21, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 After our EJ experience, what's the point of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 21, 2018 Author Share Posted April 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, #34fan said: I agree with hand and arm strength being critical... I personally think a bigger-size hand compliments both... You look at guys who can pull the ball down and take off in traffic.. A QB needs a tight grip in case the pocket suddenly gets crowded. Aaron Rodgers? 15 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said: After our EJ experience, what's the point of this? To say that "hand STRENGTH" is more important than"Size" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffAlone said: Aaron Rodgers? Aaron's got ten inches... Read through this article. Like I said, I definitely agree with you about hand strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threedollabills Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, kdiggz said: You know what they say about a QB with big hands... They say his name isn't Sam Darnold? Edited April 21, 2018 by Threedollabills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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