Nick Foles Would Love the Opportunity to Start Again

[#34fan]

38 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I always thought his age was a huge reason not to draft him. Same thing with Chris Weinke. However, I'm more of a proponent of youth. But that is true, his talent undid him right away, or lack there of, not solely his age.

 

Now, would I draft a 29year old QB? -Probably not... Definitely not in t he first round... That's not Foles' situation.... He's now a seasoned, Journeyman, with a superbowl ring he earned... If he were 32 or 33 I'd still sign him if I thought he could help my team.

[Virgil]

He’s me plan B. Give up a 2019 2nd rounder after the draft.  Fill 6 holes with our picks.  Give him a 3 year deal. 

 

Let the best man win the job

[Da webster guy]

philly is being cocky, they forgot how pathetic their defense is, probably the worst performance by a defense in superbowl history.  They can't afford to have Foles on the bench and get nothing for him next year when they could get a solid rookie starter for the guy and pray they can sneak back into the superbowl. 

 

 

[jr1]

you need a deep bench like the Raptors in basketball 

[greeneblitz]

Please no, such a risk, his value is multitudes higher than at any other point in his career, he did a great job in the playoffs but took over a 13-3 team with a 2nd year QB under center, he's been just average for the rest of his career, he could be the next Kurt Warner but most likely not.

[Ol Dirty B]

2 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

philly is being cocky, they forgot how pathetic their defense is, probably the worst performance by a defense in superbowl history.  They can't afford to have Foles on the bench and get nothing for him next year when they could get a solid rookie starter for the guy and pray they can sneak back into the superbowl. 

 

 

 

The Bills by themselves had two worse superbowls and only gave up three points less in another. What the hell are you talking about? Worst performance by a defense. You're flat out wrong... 52 points?

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

He’s me plan B. Give up a 2019 2nd rounder after the draft.  Fill 6 holes with our picks.  Give him a 3 year deal. 

 

Let the best man win the job

 

Philly has already rejected this offer. It's convenient to think you can just make what you want happen, but it takes two teams to agree to a trade, and Philly won't agree to this. 

[Virgil]

3 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

The Bills by themselves had two worse superbowls and only gave up three points less in another. What the hell are you talking about? Worst performance by a defense. You're flat out wrong... 52 points?

 

Philly has already rejected this offer. It's convenient to think you can just make what you want happen, but it takes two teams to agree to a trade, and Philly won't agree to this. 

 

No one else is beating down their door. So that might be the best and only offer they get.  Which may change things.  

 

If it’s more than a 2nd, nope

[BeginnersMind]

Foles for a third and build around him sounds like a stellar plan. Been my hope for a while. He does not have a lot of miles and even when he was “bad,” he was on pace for a better year than we’ve seen here in a long time. 

 

Make the trade race on draft day unless getting the guy they want is cheap. 

7 hours ago, stuvian said:

Sam Bradford's knees will make this happen

 

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[Buftex]

18 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Aim higher. Decent starter isn't what Beane is going for. 

Believe me, I will be pulling for whoever they put back there... however, I used the term "decent starter" as a minimum for Foles.  He has as high a ceiling in the NFL as any of these top 6 prospects do...and we have actually seen him perform at a very high level during his NFL career.  I understand the appeal of drafting a guy, believe me I do.  But I also understand the repercussions of whiffing on that pick.  If one of the big name prospects slides down to #12, I'd be thrilled to get one of them...but man, the price-tag is really high for a game of chance.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Buftex said:

Believe me, I will be pulling for whoever they put back there... however, I used the term "decent starter" as a minimum for Foles.  He has as high a ceiling in the NFL as any of these top 6 prospects do...and we have actually seen him perform at a very high level during his NFL career.  I understand the appeal of drafting a guy, believe me I do.  But I also understand the repercussions of whiffing on that pick.  If one of the big name prospects slides down to #12, I'd be thrilled to get one of them...but man, the price-tag is really high for a game of chance.

 

At 29 years old and several seasons into his career Foles sure seems to be taking his sweet time sustaining anything close to showing his "ceiling" on any kind of consistent basis.   

[Buftex]

7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

At 29 years old and several seasons into his career Foles sure seems to be taking his sweet time sustaining anything close to showing his "ceiling" on any kind of consistent basis.   

Perhaps...but his development was pretty stunted in St Louis and KC...he finally got a chance to start again, and took full advantage.  I don't think a guy plays the way he did in the playoffs, and it is just a fluke. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Buftex said:

Perhaps...but his development was pretty stunted in St Louis and KC...he finally got a chance to start again, and took full advantage.  I don't think a guy plays the way he did in the playoffs, and it is just a fluke. 

 

It's never about the flash. Rather the question is sustainability and consistency at the QB position with an ability to lift the play of teammates.  Foles simply isn't that guy and I don't believe he's worth sacrificing precious draft capital to acquire his services. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

I actually see a potential QB controversy brewing in Philly.  If Foles starts the season because Wentz is not quite ready, he could pick up where he left off and have success.  Then, if Wentz returns and does not do well because he is not yet 100%, (he may not be all season) Eagles fans will grow restless quickly and want Foles back in as starter.

 

 I know Wentz is a better QB, but I could easily see this happening.

[Buftex]

39 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It's never about the flash. Rather the question is sustainability and consistency at the QB position with an ability to lift the play of teammates.  Foles simply isn't that guy and I don't believe he's worth sacrificing precious draft capital to acquire his services. 

That is the rub....I suspect that you would be sacrificing far less precious draft capital for his services, than you would be for a player who you really have no idea can do the things you want him to do. 

 

Anyways, I will be excited with whatever happens...I just don't think signing Foles is the worst idea. 

[26CornerBlitz]

18 minutes ago, Buftex said:

That is the rub....I suspect that you would be sacrificing far less precious draft capital for his services, than you would be for a player who you really have no idea can do the things you want him to do. 

 

Anyways, I will be excited with whatever happens...I just don't think signing Foles is the worst idea. 

 

The new regime under Beane has faith in their college scouts as well as the coaching staff to bring out the best in whichever QB they wind up drafting.  That's what this is all about. 

Edited April 18, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[papazoid]

Foles for a couple of picks is an acceptable way to go

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

If Foles got traded he would get a new contract. If he stays in Philly I 100% predict a hold out.

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

If Foles got traded he would get a new contract. If he stays in Philly I 100% predict a hold out.

 

You know nothing about Foles if you believe that.

[Buftex]

3 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

If Foles got traded he would get a new contract. If he stays in Philly I 100% predict a hold out.

Foles will not hold out...he will play out the last year of his contract in Philly, and then hit the free-agent market in 2019.

15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The new regime under Beane has faith in their college scouts as well as the coaching staff to bring out the best in whichever QB the wind up drafting.  That's what this is all about. 

Fingers crossed...

[dave mcbride]

10 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

The Bills by themselves had two worse superbowls and only gave up three points less in another. What the hell are you talking about? Worst performance by a defense. You're flat out wrong... 52 points?

 

Philly has already rejected this offer. It's convenient to think you can just make what you want happen, but it takes two teams to agree to a trade, and Philly won't agree to this. 

In the game they gave up 52 points, the Bills turned the ball over 9 times. The Cowboys should have had 59 if not for Leon Lett's showboating.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

You know nothing about Foles if you believe that.

He will be losing out on a ton of money, his value is at its highest point right now. All it will take is a starting WR and a few O-lineman lost to injury and Foles will be back where he started.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

He will be losing out on a ton of money, his value is at its highest point right now. All it will take is a starting WR and a few O-lineman lost to injury and Foles will be back where he started.

 

He can be a UFA in 2019. 

[C.Biscuit97]

If they ever gave up anything of value, I’d lose my mind (even more).  He has less than 16 games of quality football in his career. Of course, that would be a Bill type move.  Miss out on a franchise qb, overpay for Foles. Ugh, I’m already getting ?.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

If they ever gave up anything of value, I’d lose my mind (even more).  He has less than 16 games of quality football in his career. Of course, that would be a Bill type move.  Miss out on a franchise qb, overpay for Foles. Ugh, I’m already getting ?.

 

Not the kind of deal Beane would make based on what he says about value. 

[Da webster guy]

On 4/18/2018 at 1:54 AM, Ol Dirty B said:

 

The Bills by themselves had two worse superbowls and only gave up three points less in another. What the hell are you talking about? Worst performance by a defense. You're flat out wrong... 52 points?

 

whatever.   the only play philly. made was the strip sack in the 4th.   great play by Graham.   

Other than that it was an embarrassment--literally zero forced punts and over 600 yards given up.   Burned all day long.   I agree with Clayton, worst all-time defensive showing on the big stage. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Foles agent must be calling him every day and saying "if the Eagles don't trade you we are holding out".

[Doc]

Worst all-time defensive performance is debatable, but it wasn't a good showing by the defense.  Foles won that game and deserved the MVP.  I'd still take him and flip the Eagles the 22nd overall rather than package the 2-1st rounders, maybe more, and move up to take a guy who hasn't even shown he can win a game, much less a SB.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

49 minutes ago, Doc said:

Worst all-time defensive performance is debatable, but it wasn't a good showing by the defense.  Foles won that game and deserved the MVP.  I'd still take him and flip the Eagles the 22nd overall rather than package the 2-1st rounders, maybe more, and move up to take a guy who hasn't even shown he can win a game, much less a SB.

I guess with Foles he has proven he can win the Super Bowl with a superior O-Line, TE and WR. If The Bean thinks he can get us to the talent level of the Eagles than I guess I could deal with trading the 22nd pick for Foles. If QB's go off the board with the 1st 3 picks I would be very interested in Foles at 22.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Worst all-time defensive performance is debatable, but it wasn't a good showing by the defense.  Foles won that game and deserved the MVP.  I'd still take him and flip the Eagles the 22nd overall rather than package the 2-1st rounders, maybe more, and move up to take a guy who hasn't even shown he can win a game, much less a SB.

I wouldn’t hate it, but if the Bills were going to do this, wouldn’t they have done it back in March, before they signed McCarron?  Or is this a deal you do only if the QB you like doesn’t fall to 12?  

 

And I would definitely want the Bills to recoup a later round pick from the Eagles if they made this trade.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, mannc said:

I wouldn’t hate it, but if the Bills were going to do this, wouldn’t they have done it back in March, before they signed McCarron?  Or is this a deal you do only if the QB you like doesn’t fall to 12?  

 

And I would definitely want the Bills to recoup a later round pick from the Eagles if they made this trade.

 

Foles will be with the Eagles to start the season.  The Eagles just re-did his contract as a reward for last season.  He could be a UFA for 2019 with both sides having an out. 

[mannc]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Foles will be with the Eagles to start the season.  The Eagles just re-did his contract as a reward for last season.  He could be a UFA for 2019 with both sides having an out. 

I agree.  If the Eagles were going to trade Foles, they would have done it by now.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, mannc said:

I agree.  If the Eagles were going to trade Foles, they would have done it by now.

 

Been saying all along he's inexpensive insurance for Wentz coming of the knee injury. 

[mannc]

8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Been saying all along he's inexpensive insurance for Wentz coming of the knee injury. 

If Foles wins the first few games of the season (and looks good doing it) things might get interesting there...

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

If Foles wins the first few games of the season (and looks good doing it) things might get interesting there...

 

Could be in the short term, but you know in the long run Wentz is the man in Philly. 

[Doc]

42 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I guess with Foles he has proven he can win the Super Bowl with a superior O-Line, TE and WR. If The Bean thinks he can get us to the talent level of the Eagles than I guess I could deal with trading the 22nd pick for Foles. If QB's go off the board with the 1st 3 picks I would be very interested in Foles at 22.

 

They had backup quality players at LT and LG and at WR, neither Jeffery nor Agoholor cracked 800 yards receiving for the year.  But not trading away a ton of picks means the Bills can build up these areas in the draft. 

 

29 minutes ago, mannc said:

I wouldn’t hate it, but if the Bills were going to do this, wouldn’t they have done it back in March, before they signed McCarron?  Or is this a deal you do only if the QB you like doesn’t fall to 12?  

 

And I would definitely want the Bills to recoup a later round pick from the Eagles if they made this trade.

 

McCarron didn't cost them a draft pick and is making $5M/year.  That's nothing and doesn't prevent them from anything WRT the QB position.

 

24 minutes ago, mannc said:

I agree.  If the Eagles were going to trade Foles, they would have done it by now.

 

Why?  What's the rush to trade him before the first round of the draft gets underway?  There is none. 

[mannc]

24 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

They had backup quality players at LT and LG and at WR, neither Jeffery nor Agoholor cracked 800 yards receiving for the year.  But not trading away a ton of picks means the Bills can build up these areas in the draft. 

 

 

McCarron didn't cost them a draft pick and is making $5M/year.  That's nothing and doesn't prevent them from anything WRT the QB position.

 

 

Why?  What's the rush to trade him before the first round of the draft gets underway?  There is none. 

I would think the market for Foles would have been highest at the beginning of free agency.  

[Doc]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

I would think the market for Foles would have been highest at the beginning of free agency.  

 

No way to know.

[26CornerBlitz]

Joe Banner on Nick Foles’ new deal: Nice gesture but changes nothing long term
Former Eagles president Joe Banner said the new dealNick Foles got last week was a recognition of what the quarterback did for the team last season. But in reality, the contract changes nothing long term.

Foles still is expected to become a free agent in 2019, and the Eagles still have until the trade deadline in October to get something for him. Only an injury to Carson Wentz likely changes anything for Foles and the Eagles’ relationship beyond this season.

Edited April 23, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[SoCal Deek]

The Foles situation is uncharted territory. Anyone who thinks that they know what’s going to happen is pure spitballing. Super Bowl MVP QBs rarely hold clipboards...willingly.

[The Red King]

I think Beene considers him an option.  And just that, an option.  I believe he also thinks the Eagles are asking a lot more then he's willing to spend to get him.  I think Beene is willing to play chicken with the Eagles to see if there is a price drop.  If the Eagles blink first, Beene nabs Foles for a bargain that will have us saying "whoa".  If they don't blink first, Beene is content to think "oh well" and move on.

 

I have a hunch there is groundwork in place for a possible trade, but Beene wants to see how the start of the draft shakes loose first.  He has no idea what the final price tag will be for a trade up to a higher pick and doesn't want to trade away any picks to the Eagles that he'd then wish he had back.  If Beene is able to secure the QB he truly wants, great.  That will be the end of the Foles talks.  If he can't, and he has to settle for a QB he's less sure of, he'll likely still have the draft capital to both nab a different QB in the draft and trade for Foles, giving him a little insurance.  If the latter happens, Foles starts, the rookie rides the pine and learns, and we watch Peterman and AJ battle it out.  Winner gets the backup spot, loser's gone.