umangatan Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) So the following "spider charts" were shown in the BN article: See it: Why PFF is so low on popular Bills mock draft QB Josh Allen. The data is fro PFF. Do you think these charts are reflective of NFL success? I wish we had charts for QBs from previous draft classes as a method of comparison....Opinions on this? Article link: http://buffalonews.com/2018/04/12/why-pff-low-popular-bills-mock-draft-target-josh-allen-mayfield-rosen-darnold-jackson-rudolph-pro-football-focus-quarterback/ Edited April 13, 2018 by umang_a_desai 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Draft Mayfield and get me a #6 jersey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 1 minute ago, H2o said: Draft Mayfield and get me a #6 jersey Since you said something positive, you didn’t make Baker’s list. You’re lucky! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 They have been on him as the best QB for a while: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 I'd like to see Mayfield's passing chart just to see how many of his completions were "gimmies" as in easy throws like bubble screens, dump-offs, short in-breaking routes, etc. It'd also be nice to see charts for the other guys as well to see which parts of the field they excel at throwing to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 What do previous 1st round qb charts look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest1981 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, blacklabel said: I'd like to see Mayfield's passing chart just to see how many of his completions were "gimmies" as in easy throws like bubble screens, dump-offs, short in-breaking routes, etc. It'd also be nice to see charts for the other guys as well to see which parts of the field they excel at throwing to. This article by Bill Barnwell from earlier in the week at least answers your question as it affects these QB's 2017 season: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23039883/history-tells-us-nfl-terrible-evaluating-quarterbacks-means-2018-draft-prospects Edited April 13, 2018 by Midwest1981 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 I tried so hard not to get invested in these guys but I have a serious man crush on Mayfield. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 4 hours ago, H2o said: Draft Mayfield and get me a #6 jersey Truth is, Rosen is the #1, Baker #2, Darnold #3. If we land either, I'd be a happy man. That said, I can't help but think Beane just got his first lesson in reality. We may not get any of them. Hope I'm wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilmann Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/09/09/baker-mayfield-oklahoma-flag-ohio-state-win How epic would it be to see him do that with a Bills flag on that stupid patriot logo. If it was up to me he’s my pick!! Balls out competitor with a chip on his shoulder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Devilmann said: https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/09/09/baker-mayfield-oklahoma-flag-ohio-state-win How epic would it be to see him do that with a Bills flag on that stupid patriot logo. If it was up to me he’s my pick!! Balls out competitor with a chip on his shoulder. Kraft would suspend him for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I’m a mayfield homer. Love his accuracy and decision making. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 How did he score high on the short grade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BuffAlone said: Truth is, Rosen is the #1, Baker #2, Darnold #3. If we land either, I'd be a happy man. That said, I can't help but think Beane just got his first lesson in reality. We may not get any of them. Hope I'm wrong Opinion. 4 hours ago, Midwest1981 said: This article by Bill Barnwell from earlier in the week at least answers your question as it affects these QB's 2017 season: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23039883/history-tells-us-nfl-terrible-evaluating-quarterbacks-means-2018-draft-prospects Those are interesting #'s. I wonder how much of an affect on overall completion % those lower numbers of short throws have on Allen and Jackson. Also, is that lower # of short throws indicative of the fact that those two ran more pro-style offenses? Edited April 14, 2018 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 10 hours ago, whatdrought said: Opinion. Those are interesting #'s. I wonder how much of an affect on overall completion % those lower numbers of short throws have on Allen and Jackson. Also, is that lower # of short throws indicative of the fact that those two ran more pro-style offenses? Well, yes its my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) Imagine that my Top QB and 3rd QB would be rated 1 and 2 according to this. Yes 26CB I said it. Edited April 14, 2018 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 58 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Well, yes its my opinion I share it with you LOL. My order is the same. Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold. After that, I am not taking a QB before I take Roquan Smith, Denzel Ward, Trumaine Edmonds, Will Hernandez, Darius Guice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 According to this Mason Rudolph is the second best QB and LamarG3's passing grade is equal to Darnold's. I've gone from thinking PFF was a flawed but useful tool to thinking it's only value is as a conversation piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 16 hours ago, section122 said: I tried so hard not to get invested in these guys but I have a serious man crush on Mayfield. You watch them beat a few cupcakes and win some hyped rivalry games on Saturday’s, I know the feeling. but as a big ten fan I mistrust great QB performances sustaining in the NFL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, NewEraBills said: I share it with you LOL. My order is the same. Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold. After that, I am not taking a QB before I take Roquan Smith, Denzel Ward, Trumaine Edmonds, Will Hernandez, Darius Guice. This is spot on IMO as well. IF we miss out on QB, we just go BPA. Plenty of top talent to get cute with our picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Those Blitz and pressure statistics for Allen are scary. I really hope we get one of the other guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 18 hours ago, Midwest1981 said: This article by Bill Barnwell from earlier in the week at least answers your question as it affects these QB's 2017 season: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23039883/history-tells-us-nfl-terrible-evaluating-quarterbacks-means-2018-draft-prospects So Rosen dinks and dunks a bit Mason Rudolph Rudolph held a private workout with the Patriots earlier this offseason, so there's clearly some interest on the team's front. Rudolph is looked as a more of a prototypical Patriots selection as he has good size and an accurate arm. At Oklahoma State, Rudolph increased his completion percentage four straight years finishing his senior season connecting on 65 percent of his passes. In 2017, he threw for 4,904 yards and 37 touchdowns to just nine interceptions. He's also displayed some solid mobility rushing for 10 touchdowns in 2017. While those numbers are strong, Rudolph is still raw and a few years behind a quarterback like Brady could do him a world of good rather than jumping in and playing immediately. When asked at the NFL Combine, Rudolph was pretty open to working behind Brady saying it'd be "pretty darn cool" to craft his game under the five time Super Bowl champ. Rudolph's stock has arguably seen the most positive movement leading up to the draft. While he was once though to be had with one of New England's two second round picks, they may need to use No. 23 or No. 31 to bring the OSU quarterback to Foxboro. https://247sports.com/Bolt/Rundown-of-potential-QB-prospects-the-Patriots-could-draft-117173554 His spider chart looks pretty good as well. I wonder if we could get him at 22 or maybe with a slight trade down from #12. #12 to #15= 150 points or #24 in the 3rd round...... #12-> #18= 350 points or #23 in the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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