Making the case for Lamar Jackson

[BillsFan2313]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said:

Can we PLEASE STOP WITH THIS CRAP?!?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!

 

You want to stop with facts? That these scores don't matter?

Sure!!

Live in your delusional world

18 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

ALLLLLLLL of those guys are from different eras.

 

You can NOT take a QB with a 13 on the wonderlic.

 

That's like drooling on himself status.

 

 

Haha, ok

[1billsfan]

13 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

ALLLLLLLL of those guys are from different eras.

 

You can NOT take a QB with a 13 on the wonderlic.

 

That's like drooling on himself status.

 

 

DeShaun Watson got a 20 on the test last year, lowest in his class. That test is meaningless when the pads are put on. I could care less what Jackson's wonderlic score is, seriously. He's a decent, hard working kid who's willing to learn and who's ultra competitive without being a first class jerk like a couple of these top QB prospects. Jackson's going to make a lot of NFL players drool on themselves when trying to lay a hand on him.

 

 

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, 1billsfan said:

 

DeShaun Watson got a 20 on the test last year, lowest in his class. That test is meaningless when the pads are put on. I could care less what Jackson's wonderlic score is, seriously. He's a decent, hard working kid who's willing to learn and who's ultra competitive without being a first class jerk like a couple of these top QB prospects. Jackson's going to make a lot of NFL players drool on themselves when trying to lay a hand on him.

 

 

Couple the score with what Breer said about him after the combine and it's concerning. Like it or not.

[Chicken Boo]

19 hours ago, the skycap said:

What the hell was Mel Kiper watching at the combine? He was not all over the place with his throws.

 

Yes he was.  

 

His ball placement was inconsistent, at best.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, 1billsfan said:

 who's willing to learn

 

 

 

Willing and able are two different things.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

2018 NFL Draft: 5 potential trades teams should be discussing

2) Buffalo Bills (12) to San Francisco 49ers (9) for QB Lamar Jackson
Bills GM Brandon Beane is playing it coy when answering questions about the team's willingness to trade up again to get a quarterback. He's already made a deal to move up nine spots (from 21 to 12 in a trade with the Bengals), and I won't be surprised if he and head coach Sean McDermott trade up again to land a true playmaker at the position.

Last year, the Bears signed Mike Glennon to a three-year deal before drafting Trubisky. The Bills could follow suit -- their signing of AJ McCarron to a two-year deal earlier this month should not prevent them from striking for a QB in this draft. As for Jackson, he's a special talent at quarterback. McDermott's defenses practiced every day against Michael Vick in Philadelphia and Cam Newton in Carolina. I think he'd welcome that type of dual-threat QB on his team again this summer. The Niners would move back a few spots and add a third-round pick (No. 65 overall) to their draft haul as part of the trade, and might very well be able to claim the same player at No. 12 that they would have selected had they kept the ninth pick.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

2018 NFL Draft: 5 potential trades teams should be discussing

2) Buffalo Bills (12) to San Francisco 49ers (9) for QB Lamar Jackson
Bills GM Brandon Beane is playing it coy when answering questions about the team's willingness to trade up again to get a quarterback. He's already made a deal to move up nine spots (from 21 to 12 in a trade with the Bengals), and I won't be surprised if he and head coach Sean McDermott trade up again to land a true playmaker at the position.

Last year, the Bears signed Mike Glennon to a three-year deal before drafting Trubisky. The Bills could follow suit -- their signing of AJ McCarron to a two-year deal earlier this month should not prevent them from striking for a QB in this draft. As for Jackson, he's a special talent at quarterback. McDermott's defenses practiced every day against Michael Vick in Philadelphia and Cam Newton in Carolina. I think he'd welcome that type of dual-threat QB on his team again this summer. The Niners would move back a few spots and add a third-round pick (No. 65 overall) to their draft haul as part of the trade, and might very well be able to claim the same player at No. 12 that they would have selected had they kept the ninth pick.

 

Wow, THAT would be AIDS.

 

Trading up for a guy with a 13 wonderlic.
 

[Buffalo Bills Detective]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

Wow, THAT would be AIDS.

 

Trading up for a guy with a 13 wonderlic.
 

But, but, but...JIM KELLY!!! DAN MARINO!!! TERRY BRADSHAW!!!!!!!

[Virgil]

Today sealed the deal on me wanting nothing to do with this kid.  It just makes no sense for him to continue to buck the trend in the draft process.  I understand not wanting to be considered for any position outside of QB, but to continue to refuse to run a 40, which all the other QB's did, and teams having difficulty scheduling private workouts with him, shows me that that he just didn't get it.

 

I don't care about the wonderlic, but it doesn't help his cause.  Considering he won the Heisman last year, had a better year this year, and still isn't considered in the top 4, there's something missing that all the GM's are seeing. 

 

I was against him before because of his size and the way he played against elite defenses, but he's really messing up his brand with this offseason.

 

Hard pass

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

Since we now know that he can barely read or write, I'd say this is a pretty legitimate worry for the team who drafts him.

Realllllllly

19 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said:

But, but, but...JIM KELLY!!! DAN MARINO!!! TERRY BRADSHAW!!!!!!!

Still waiting

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Realllllllly

Still waiting

 

THIRTEEN.

 

[BillsFan2313]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said:

But, but, but...JIM KELLY!!! DAN MARINO!!! TERRY BRADSHAW!!!!!!!

 

Ahh yes, I forgot. Nobody threw the ball at all, just handed it off. Jim Kelly didn't run something called the K gun offense or anything, calling plays at the line (With your logic, he should have had the highest wonderlic score to even attempt this offense). Dan Marino still isn't 5th in career passing yards or anything, he barely threw the ball. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

Ahh yes, I forgot. Nobody threw the ball at all, just handed it off. Jim Kelly didn't run something called the K gun offense or anything, calling plays at the line (With your logic, he should have had the highest wonderlic score to even attempt this offense). Dan Marino still isn't 5th in career passing yards or anything, he barely threw the ball. 

 

DIFFERENT. ERA.

 

It's virtually a different game now than it was then.

 

 

[Spielman]

I was on the L. Jackson bandwagon, but, after his pro day, I can honestly say I would not draft him (at least any earlier than the 4th round).   He was awful, especially on deep throws and outs....if he can miss that badly to wide open receivers with no defenders, I can only imagine what he'll look like in the NFL. 

[Solomon Grundy]

52 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Yes he was.  

 

His ball placement was inconsistent, at best.

I'm sorry if you think these were all over the place

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, the skycap said:

I'm sorry if you think these were all over the place

 

 

 

13.

 

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, Loosh said:

I was on the L. Jackson bandwagon, but, after his pro day, I can honestly say I would not draft him (at least any earlier than the 4th round).   He was awful, especially on deep throws and outs....if he can miss that badly to wide open receivers with no defenders, I can only imagine what he'll look like in the NFL. 

You are absolutely full of crap.   STOP MAKING CRAP UP

 

 

When was the last time you actually saw TT throw a good slant?  It was one of the big derogs on him.....

 

Now watch Lamar throw it with ease

[Solomon Grundy]

7 minutes ago, Loosh said:

I was on the L. Jackson bandwagon, but, after his pro day, I can honestly say I would not draft him (at least any earlier than the 4th round).   He was awful, especially on deep throws and outs....if he can miss that badly to wide open receivers with no defenders, I can only imagine what he'll look like in the NFL. 

Fake news

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said:

This is John from Riverside's, skycap's, Alphadawg's and NewEra's ONLY case for Lamar Jackson at 12 (or trading up to 7 with Tampa):
 

 

 

Only case?  LMAO...geezus what a stupid comment to say my or anyone else only case for him is one play.  I cant speak for the others, but I can personally tell you that you are GROSSLY INACCURATE if you think the ONLY thing I can make a case for him on is this one play.  

 

I dont want him or anyone off of any single or few plays.  Some of us happen to believe he is a better passer than you think he is.  That doesn't make us right, its our opinion.  You seem to think your opinion is the only right opinion and now are making assumptions to why we have a different one.  

 

I watched him a LOT in college...and yes, like EVERY prospect, there are pros and cons to their game.  There is NO HANDS DOWN franchise QB in this draft.  There is no "Andrew Luck" type grade on any QB.  I watched every USC game, and trust me, Sam Darnold is no lock.  He makes bone head plays every week.  I love the kids potential, but lets not pretend he had a perfect reel himself, because he doesn't.  

 

I cant even understand the love for Rosen by some here who want to give up 3 first round picks for him and more.  The guy has Bradford like durability combined with a Cutler-esque leadership and likability...Combine Bradford and Cutler into one QB is not inspiring to me.  I would be happy to have him and hope he proves to be more than that, but the kid is as much of a gamble as Lamar is for different reasons.  

 

At the end of the day, getting any of the top 5 QB prospects this year should be something we are all excited about.  Some of us prefer to not pay a bounty and see them all more closely graded than others.  Other people read only mock drafts and mistakenly think the draft starts and ends only with Darnold and Rosen.  

 

Personally...Baker Mayfield is the QB prospect I think is the top prospect in the draft.  But I would love to land Lamar or any of the top 5 who fall to us at 12 too and keep all our picks and still have a stud QB prospect.  And make no mistake, any of the top 5 QB's would be the top or 2nd best QB prospect in most drafts...this is just a crowded and diverse year.

[Chicken Boo]

42 minutes ago, the skycap said:

I'm sorry if you think these were all over the place

 

 

 

3 of his first 6 throws in that vid were off target, particularly when playing in shorts and t's.

 

What am I missing here?

[D521646]

I think the pundits are in for a rude awakening come draft day when they see their sweethearts, Allen and Jackson fall out of the first round.. 

 

No frickin way these two should be drafted in the first, let alone the second.  I think you'll see one of the 2nd "tier" QB's selected before these guys, Rudolph, White?

 

Good luck with your project if you draft these two..  Way to throw away a pick.  LOL

 

Tim-

[Reed83HOF]

[MJS]

Wow, people actually think he threw the ball well at his pro day? That's one of the worst outings I've seen from a potential high draft pick.

 

He looked terrible to me. If you look bad on your pro day that is a bad sign. They are designed to make you look good.

 

I think it was smart of him not to run the 40. Now all the news is about that and not about how bad he looked throwing the football.

Edited March 29, 2018 by MJS

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

Wow, people actually think he threw the ball well at his pro day? That's one of the worst outings I've seen from a potential high draft pick.

 

He looked terrible to me. If you look bad on your pro day that is a bad sign. They are designed to make you look good.

WR's dropping balls that hit them right in the hands

 

Most QBs dont work under center at their pro day

 

Guess you must have listened to it with the sound turned off so you could not hear the analysts giving opinion

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

WR's dropping balls that hit them right in the hands

 

Most QBs dont work under center at their pro day

 

Guess you must have listened to it with the sound turned off so you could not hear the analysts giving opinion

 

I watched it with my eyeballs and he looked bad. I indeed did not listen to it, but I don't care if the analysts were trying to excuse how bad he looked.

 

And absolutely the WR's dropped balls. I don't blame him for that.

Edited March 29, 2018 by MJS

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

WR's dropping balls that hit them right in the hands

 

Most QBs dont work under center at their pro day

 

Guess you must have listened to it with the sound turned off so you could not hear the analysts giving opinion

 

John, your defense of Lamar Jackson is getting ridiculous.  His inaccuracy is a well known issue and if you add the facts that a) he chose to have his mother as his agent and b) he's dumber than a box of rocks ... there's no reason anyone should want this guy to be a QB in the NFL.

[John from Riverside]

52 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

John, your defense of Lamar Jackson is getting ridiculous.  His inaccuracy is a well known issue and if you add the facts that a) he chose to have his mother as his agent and b) he's dumber than a box of rocks ... there's no reason anyone should want this guy to be a QB in the NFL.

Whatsa matter Gug....not the guy you want?

 

He is not my first choice either....my first choice is gonna require a farm to get.

 

Unlike you...I am smart enough to know that the chances of us being able to move up into the top 5 of this draft are not nearly as easy as some are making it out to be.

 

A plan B is needed

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Whatsa matter Gug....not the guy you want?

 

He is not my first choice either....my first choice is gonna require a farm to get.

 

Unlike you...I am smart enough to know that the chances of us being able to move up into the top 5 of this draft are not nearly as easy as some are making it out to be.

 

A plan B is needed

 

I’d sooner roll mother Theresa out there than another sub 20 wonderlic qb

[Real McClappy]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Only case?  LMAO...geezus what a stupid comment to say my or anyone else only case for him is one play.  I cant speak for the others, but I can personally tell you that you are GROSSLY INACCURATE if you think the ONLY thing I can make a case for him on is this one play.  

 

I dont want him or anyone off of any single or few plays.  Some of us happen to believe he is a better passer than you think he is.  That doesn't make us right, its our opinion.  You seem to think your opinion is the only right opinion and now are making assumptions to why we have a different one.  

 

I watched him a LOT in college...and yes, like EVERY prospect, there are pros and cons to their game.  There is NO HANDS DOWN franchise QB in this draft.  There is no "Andrew Luck" type grade on any QB.  I watched every USC game, and trust me, Sam Darnold is no lock.  He makes bone head plays every week.  I love the kids potential, but lets not pretend he had a perfect reel himself, because he doesn't.  

 

I cant even understand the love for Rosen by some here who want to give up 3 first round picks for him and more.  The guy has Bradford like durability combined with a Cutler-esque leadership and likability...Combine Bradford and Cutler into one QB is not inspiring to me.  I would be happy to have him and hope he proves to be more than that, but the kid is as much of a gamble as Lamar is for different reasons.  

 

At the end of the day, getting any of the top 5 QB prospects this year should be something we are all excited about.  Some of us prefer to not pay a bounty and see them all more closely graded than others.  Other people read only mock drafts and mistakenly think the draft starts and ends only with Darnold and Rosen.  

 

Personally...Baker Mayfield is the QB prospect I think is the top prospect in the draft.  But I would love to land Lamar or any of the top 5 who fall to us at 12 too and keep all our picks and still have a stud QB prospect.  And make no mistake, any of the top 5 QB's would be the top or 2nd best QB prospect in most drafts...this is just a crowded and diverse year.

Well said!

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

I’d sooner roll mother Theresa out there than another sub 20 wonderlic qb

If she can call an audible I'm in.

[502Buffs]

4 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

well seeing his wonderlic score is lower than a janitor..hard pass

What does AROD have to do with this thread?

Kurt Warner bagged groceries

[26CornerBlitz]

 

 

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Whatsa matter Gug....not the guy you want?

 

He is not my first choice either....my first choice is gonna require a farm to get.

 

Unlike you...I am smart enough to know that the chances of us being able to move up into the top 5 of this draft are not nearly as easy as some are making it out to be.

 

A plan B is needed

 

You don't need to insult me, John.  That's not nice.

 

It's simple .. if they can't get THE guy, then don't get ANY guy.  This guy is an IMMINENT FAILURE.

 

The only good things I've read about him are yours and Charlie Victor's interpretations of what's being reported (which is not good, my friend).

 

This guy is literally stupid.  Stupid people don't fare well as QBs in today's NFL.

[flaz]

Not sure I saw an insult in there Gug. Is JfR the former JfH?

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

 

I’d sooner roll mother Theresa out there than another sub 20 wonderlic qb

Good luck to you and Mother

 

I would rather have a football player

13 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

You don't need to insult me, John.  That's not nice.

 

It's simple .. if they can't get THE guy, then don't get ANY guy.  This guy is an IMMINENT FAILURE.

 

The only good things I've read about him are yours and Charlie Victor's interpretations of what's being reported (which is not good, my friend).

 

This guy is literally stupid.  Stupid people don't fare well as QBs in today's NFL.

Yet ran a complex college offense

Yet manage to be ultra productive in college

Yet is considered a high first round pick

 

Yeah.....all he can do is play football

[Gugny]

22 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Good luck to you and Mother

 

I would rather have a football player

Yet ran a complex college offense

Yet manage to be ultra productive in college

Yet is considered a high first round pick

 

Yeah.....all he can do is play football

 

You talking about Tebow?

[4merper4mer]

On March 26, 2018 at 5:04 PM, kdiggz said:

If we didn't just live through 3 yrs of Tyrod there might have been more support for Lamar. Not interested in taking a chance on that type of player again

Because Lamar Always Cuddles Kittens?

[KDIGGZ]

5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Because Lamar Always Cuddles Kittens?

Nope I'd take Cam or Jameis any day of the week and if you look back you will find posts saying we need to do whatever it takes to draft them. Jameis was my top QB since Luck at the time

[Buffalo Bills Detective]

1 minute ago, kdiggz said:

Nope I'd take Cam or Jameis any day of the week and if you look back you will find posts saying we need to do whatever it takes to draft them. Jameis was my top QB since Luck at the time

When I saw Jameis play for the first time, and then saw footage of him giving a pregame speech in the locker room, the first thing I thought was: "He's the next Cam Newton."

[Bing Bong]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said:

When I saw Jameis play for the first time, and then saw footage of him giving a pregame speech in the locker room, the first thing I thought was: "He's the next Cam Newton."

I'm starting to leave the jameis bandwagon. He's holding the team back every game I watch. Doug Martin doesn't help. Thought he was a stud

 

I mean who doesn't want to be called muscle hamster?!