Ol Dirty B Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Meazy26 said: Mostly speculation, but I don’t see why what I said is unrealistic... He was definitely on the Flakka btw... https://youtu.be/I2Tcq-j3oAE I agree with you their, wouldn't be surprised by that at all. I just think the notion that they went and scooped him up from the courthouse, Beane and McDermott have a little conversation with him, then stop off at a McDonald's drive thru and go to the pro day is hilarious. I also think that this experience bettering him is crazy optimistic. Not wrong, just really a positive view point. Which isn't a bad thing, I'm admittedly the opposite usually in my world view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meazy26 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: I agree with you their, wouldn't be surprised by that at all. I just think the notion that they went and scooped him up from the courthouse, Beane and McDermott have a little conversation with him, then stop off at a McDonald's drive thru and go to the pro day is hilarious. I also think that this experience bettering him is crazy optimistic. Not wrong, just really a positive view point. Which isn't a bad thing, I'm admittedly the opposite usually in my world view. In terms of this making him better, I’m going off what we know about the kid. He’s been A-1 in terms of character throughout his life until this unfortunate incident. If he was Aldon Smith, I wouldn’t be giving him the benefit of the doubt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) I'm seriously wondering if Zay will ever play football on his own terms ever again let alone at what the team or the NFL might do to him. This is a serious situation. If Zay had a mental breakdown that's one thing but the types of drugs that might have triggered this situation are enough to get you suspended or cut very quickly. He's very lucky he is still alive after that kind of detachment from reality Edited March 21, 2018 by Livinginthepast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meazy26 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Livinginthepast said: I'm seriously wondering if Zay will ever play football on his own terms ever again let alone at what the team or the NFL might do to him. This is a serious situation. If Zay had a mental breakdown that's one thing but the types of drugs that might have triggered this situation are enough to get you suspended or cut very quickly. He's very lucky he still alive after that kind of detachment from reality So much goes on with players that we don’t see, yet they still have a job. Social media can ruin someone quick these days. Unfortunate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: I'm seriously wondering if Zay will ever play football on his own terms ever again let alone at what the team or the NFL might do to him. This is a serious situation. If Zay had a mental breakdown that's one thing but the types of drugs that might have triggered this situation are enough to get you suspended or cut very quickly. He's very lucky he still alive after that kind of detachment from reality I think it truly is a case-by-case type of situation. Is he a team-first guy? Do you truly believe him when he says he'll get help, or that it was an isolated incident? Is he a truthful honest person? What players did we dump that had drug arrests/problems? Just Dareus - and he had plenty of other issues. Kounandjio maybe? But he wasn't even a fit in the zone blocking scheme (neither was anyone else), and that could've been an additional factor. Considering they kept Henderson even through his suspensions, I don't think it's a straight black and white issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) My hunch is that Zay will get a slap on the wrist and end up fine in the long run. I mentioned this anecdote in another thread, but when I was in college back in the late 90's I liked to smoke a little pot now and then. I wasn't a stoner or druggie or anything like that. Just a generally responsible kid who liked to chill out 2-3x a week in the evening after studying. My dormmate, however, was THE weed dealer for all of the football and basketball players on campus, so we had a lot of different dudes running through there. He had one friend in particular, a 6'9" basketballer, who was crazy and eventually flunked out of school due to his drug habits. Unbeknownst to me, he had been in my room during the day, smoked the rest of my stash, and refilled my bag later on with wet (weed with PCP). That night, after my roommates had fallen asleep, I fired up a bowl and was going to eat a bowl of cereal and play some video games before bed. Things went bad very quickly and I had some very disturbing visual and auditory hallucinations, saw a demonic skeleton in my cereal, believed I was doomed to die and even tried to open up my ninth story window to jump out and escape. Luckily my roommates were able to calm me down and I was lucid enough to comprehend that I was having a bad trip, so they were able to keep me cool long enough for the effects to wear off. I was basically fine the next day and able to attend class, etc. It sounds funny now, but it was very terrifying at the time. Edited March 21, 2018 by TheBrownBear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Ol Dirty B said: WR coaches don't make the decision to trade up in the second round and pick a guy. You're just flat out wrong. You do realize our WR coach was his college coach?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Sad just sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: You do realize our WR coach was his college coach?? I thought our WR's really looked like s__t last season. -What gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, #34fan said: I thought our WR's really looked like s__t last season. -What gives? He’s gone now. Went to chargers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankoElTanko Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: Is there anything better than TBD tackling drugs and mental health issues? These threads bring together all of our subject matter experts: Old timers who have never done drugs: "Hes addicted to smoking wacky tobaccy just like Darius. Lucky he didn't kill anybody tripping on the pot. Cut his ass!" Mental health experts: "I took 2 semesters of Psych and clearly Zay is dealing with deep depression and suicidal tendencies likely brought on from dropping that sure TD pass against Carolina that f@#$ed my fantasy season! Cut his ass!" Actual mental health expert: "my wife works in the psych ward at the local hospital and clearly Zay is dealing with deep depression and suicidal tendencies possibly brought on from having a tough rookie season. What he needs now is all of our hugs and prayers!" Young guy who has done drugs once: "Dude, he was only smoking a little K2 and bumping a few lines. He'll be fine in the morning. People do s@#$ like this all the time when they're drinking and alcohol is still legal! Do you even know how many things can be made out of hemp? Legalization would be a boon for the economy but big pharma doesn't want to give up their monopoly and the government wants us zoned out on Adderall and oxy so we're easier to control!" Preach on brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s gone now. Went to chargers. Well good riddance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: You do realize our WR coach was his college coach?? Yea, and I know he didn't make the trade up or decision to draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, #34fan said: I thought our WR's really looked like s__t last season. -What gives? Can't polish turds. 10 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: Yea, and I know he didn't make the trade up or decision to draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian3488 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I personally want to see how he comes back from this. It's embarrassing that something like that is out in the public eye for one lil mistake he made. Now he has to live with that the rest of his life, reading and hearing about it. Hopefully he has a strong mindset and can get passed that but it looks like something like that may take a toll on a professional athletes mind. Hope it all works out for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: What kind of person records this and sends it to TMZ? Sick. I don't think someone purposely recorded the video of Zay on purpose. Looked like a security camera to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Ittakestime said: I don't think someone purposely recorded the video of Zay on purpose. Looked like a security camera to me. If so, how did TMZ get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Is there anything better than TBD tackling drugs and mental health issues? These threads bring together all of our subject matter experts: Old timers who have never done drugs: "Hes addicted to smoking wacky tobaccy just like Darius. Lucky he didn't kill anybody tripping on the pot. Cut his ass!" Mental health experts: "I took 2 semesters of Psych and clearly Zay is dealing with deep depression and suicidal tendencies likely brought on from dropping that sure TD pass against Carolina that f@#$ed my fantasy season! Cut his ass!" Actual mental health expert: "my wife works in the psych ward at the local hospital and clearly Zay is dealing with deep depression and suicidal tendencies possibly brought on from having a tough rookie season. What he needs now is all of our hugs and prayers!" Young guy who has done drugs once: "Dude, he was only smoking a little K2 and bumping a few lines. He'll be fine in the morning. People do s@#$ like this all the time when they're drinking and alcohol is still legal! Do you even know how many things can be made out of hemp? Legalization would be a boon for the economy but big pharma doesn't want to give up their monopoly and the government wants us zoned out on Adderall and oxy so we're easier to control!" Hey dammit, you left out the SMEs on nakedness. I'm naked most of the time. The cleaning lady doesn't mind. The food delivery people are Ok with it, well, after they realized that I ain't changing, and, I tip well. When does the always naked/mostly naked/sometimes naked community get to have their voices heard on this issue? We refuse to be silenced! This is a moral as well as a civil rights issue, and we demand that everyone in this country see no difference between being naked and being unnaked. Every other way to think is immoral. It's not a matter of being "naked-blind", it's a matter of nakedness never even entering your mind, because you've closed it completely, and therefore defeated your naked-normative bias. Only then will you people be allowed to ascend Moral Mountain. But know this: if you EVER refuse to support our edicts against the naked-normative, you will be cast down from Moral Mountain faster than you can say Brazilian. Edited March 21, 2018 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Your posts have been awful in this thread. Not one person blamed weed, this isn't the 50s. I never accused anyone of blaming weed because weed doesn't tend to cause hallucinations. And if you think criticizing missconceived links between mental illness and drugs makes my posts awful, then I seriously hope that you never have a manic episode. What exactly are you looking for in a thread on a players breakdown, anyway? Entertainment? Blaming? Jokes? Edited March 21, 2018 by MURPHD6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: I never accused anyone of blaming weed because weed doesn't tend to cause hallucinations. And if you think criticizing missconceived links between mental illness and drugs makes my posts awful, then I seriously hope that you never have a manic episode. It can cause hallucinations. It did for me one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Marv Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Is there anything better than TBD tackling drugs and mental health issues? These threads bring together all of our subject matter experts: Old timers who have never done drugs: "Hes addicted to smoking wacky tobaccy just like Darius. Lucky he didn't kill anybody tripping on the pot. Cut his ass!" Mental health experts: "I took 2 semesters of Psych and clearly Zay is dealing with deep depression and suicidal tendencies likely brought on from dropping that sure TD pass against Carolina that f@#$ed my fantasy season! Cut his ass!" Actual mental health expert: "my wife works in the psych ward at the local hospital and clearly Zay is dealing with deep depression and suicidal tendencies possibly brought on from having a tough rookie season. What he needs now is all of our hugs and prayers!" Young guy who has done drugs once: "Dude, he was only smoking a little K2 and bumping a few lines. He'll be fine in the morning. People do s@#$ like this all the time when they're drinking and alcohol is still legal! Do you even know how many things can be made out of hemp? Legalization would be a boon for the economy but big pharma doesn't want to give up their monopoly and the government wants us zoned out on Adderall and oxy so we're easier to control!" This is fantastic. One guy even called PCP "THC". Apparently everybody and their mother also knows exactly what synthetic marijuana will do to you because they once read a story about another guy one time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hurricane Marv said: This is fantastic. One guy even called PCP "THC". Apparently everybody and their mother also knows exactly what synthetic marijuana will do to you because they once read a story about another guy one time... As the old proverb goes, judge not until you've walked a mile in a man's shoes to buy bath salts and then ate some dude's face while high af. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: If so, how did TMZ get it? By paying the person in charge of the security camera(s)? Pretty simple. Edited March 21, 2018 by T-Bomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, bbb said: It can cause hallucinations. It did for me one time. That's rare. But sleep deprivation can even cause hallucinations, so it might have been weed mixed with not sleeping, or something like that. The NFL's drug policy is so backward on these things. He could have definitely taken a substance that wouldn't show up in drug testing, and it could have triggered a manic episode, but stress is also a major trigger. The scary thing is that if a drug was a triggering factor once the drug leaves your system, there's no guarantee that the mania will subside, because the drug isn't the source. It could take days, weeks and months for him to recover. And that sucks. Edited March 21, 2018 by MURPHD6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I would hope the apartment has better control of it's employees. Seems more likely someone recorded it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, bbb said: It can cause hallucinations. It did for me one time. Are you talking about Peyote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: If so, how did TMZ get it? Well, it all started out in a little town in Indiana.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, Hurricane Marv said: This is fantastic. One guy even called PCP "THC". Apparently everybody and their mother also knows exactly what synthetic marijuana will do to you because they once read a story about another guy one time... I personally love everyone’s college stories ... I learned so much about you yahoos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I personally love everyone’s college stories ... I learned so much about you yahoos I dropped out twice. The second time after an argument with my tutor. I kicked a lamppost in frustration on my way out, broke my toe. I know, I'm a menace to society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Are you talking about Peyote? No. Pot is classified as a hallucinogen, we well as whatever else it is categorized as. At least it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 5 hours ago, jmc12290 said: This is 100% false. Nope. True. Backed by evidence and research, and not news from TMZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213billsfan Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 #Zaynotodrugs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, 213billsfan said: #Zaynotodrugs Russ Brandon would like a meeting with you. 401k and full benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I personally love everyone’s college stories ... I learned so much about you yahoos What do you think you will learn if I tell you that I was roofied by a psycho girl, and cuffed to her bed for 2 days in college? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bakin said: It’s a misconception that this was likely caused by drugs? Take away the drugs and this doesn’t happen. Whatever his disposition it was the drugs that was the lynchpin. You've got the logic screwed up. Drugs can trigger a manic episode, but a manic episode can also be triggered WITHOUT DRUGS. So the point is that drugs aren't a lynchpin. There's lots of cases where a person has an initial manic episode that is triggered by drugs, but that doesn't mean that they would not have eventually had a similar episode, at some point in time, even if they had stayed clean. Edited March 21, 2018 by MURPHD6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, MURPHD6 said: You've got the logic screwed up. Drugs can trigger a manic episode, but a manic episode can also be triggered WITHOUT DRUGS. So the point is that drugs aren't a lynchpin. Are you sure you know what a lynchpin is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 If it is a drug issue then it may be a one off. Kids make mistakes and this is not a hanging offense. There is more than 5 months until the start of the season so he has time to get things right. I for one am not writing him off. Get well soon Zay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 5 hours ago, jmc12290 said: Again, 100% wrong. Go to any psych ED in NYC for an hour, you'll see at least a dozen. You take this board WAY too seriously friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: If it is a drug issue then it may be a one off. Kids make mistakes and this is not a hanging offense. There is more than 5 months until the start of the season so he has time to get things right. I for one am not writing him off. Get well soon Zay. Rookie mistake. At least that's what I was told here after the Carolina drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 46 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: I dropped out twice. The second time after an argument with my tutor. I kicked a lamppost in frustration on my way out, broke my toe. I know, I'm a menace to society. If you would have done it naked, you could have been mistaken for an NFL player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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