Mat68 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: Yeah, huge mistake. If this QB hits. 20 years of Brady, then however many years of this guy. Yep, AJ McCarron though, guys! I think you are missing the point that nothing is stopping another team that has a Qb in mind wont just make a trade to 2. Buffalo has the firepower to do it. They could be targeting the same guy and now Buffalo know if they want him they have to go to 2 for him. If the jets waited they could have snuck in and possibly got him at 3 if the Giants were too expensive for Buffalo taste. now there is no surprise the Jets are taking a Qb. If the browns dont take the one they like they know the giants is the only way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Limeaid said: Half your franchise? Exaggerate much? Tyrod, Watkins, Glenn, Darby just to name a few. I thought the point of that capital would be to draft the QB of their choice . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: I had a thought. What if the Jets are playing 4d chess? For those without a chess background 4d chess reference makes little sense. 4d chess is just 3D chess over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: I had a thought. What if the Jets are playing 4d chess? Think about it.. that team has more holes than a dollar store umbrella. They just signed 2 solid quarterbacks in McCown and Bridgewater. What if they took the third pick...but have it open to trades to acquire more picks in the first round? There are no “poker faces” when it comes to needing a franchise QB. It’s just something that you have to attempt to find. GM’s get fired for not finding a QB who wins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Whatever happens I don't think we'll know until draft day. That's what really surprises me about this trade, that it happened today. Why would the Jets show their hand like that? I could see a scenario where we already have a deal in place to get Foles, and we like a QB that will be available at 22. That leaves pick 12 for a player that will immediately contribute. Not saying that's exactly what will happen but I am sure Beane already has a contingency plan in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Limeaid said: So do the Jets. They could trade up with that #3 pick with Giants or even Browns. Personally I hope they go full Ditka and trade all of the picks plus picks from next year to trade up. The jets would have to cripple themselves to move up any further. If the Giants are in win now mode 12-22 56 and 65 would be the ticket plus a high pick in 2019. The Jets cant compete with that offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Tyrod, Watkins, Glenn, Darby just to name a few. I thought the point of that capital would be to draft the QB of their choice . They got other players they wanted and extra picks. Fortunately I think our GM plays chess while you struggle at checkers. Maybe you should try tic tac toe but take my advice and let other player go first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Why would the Bills move up to #2 to take a guy that would rather be somewhere else ? Take Jackson at #12 and use the other picks to fill holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Whatever happens I don't think we'll know until draft day. That's what really surprises me about this trade, that it happened today. Why would the Jets show their hand like that? I could see a scenario where we already have a deal in place to get Foles, and we like a QB that will be available at 22. That leaves pick 12 for a player that will immediately contribute. Not saying that's exactly what will happen but I am sure Beane already has a contingency plan in mind. I wouldn’t like that idea, but it seems possible. With that said, they would have had to keep it secret from McCarron. He wouldn’t have signed here if Foles were a possibility. 1 minute ago, Looper said: Why would the Bills move up to #2 to take a guy that would rather be somewhere else ? Take Jackson at #12 and use the other picks to fill holes. Take Jackson or Allen and Beane will be looking for new employment in three years. Edited March 17, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 IMHO ... The Bills will want to trade up to #2 ... they will inquire ... they will wheel and deal .... BUT Beane & McDermott will NOT change their philosophy, they will not let the Giants bend them over a table. If the Giants ask more than the Bills feel the trade up is worth, the Bills will walk away. You never know ... the Giants may offer a good deal, the QB that the Bills like could fall below pick #3 and a trade up will be addressed again ... or ... the Bills take BPA at #12 and wait for a QB whose value matches our draft spot. As much as I WANT our top graded QB this draft, sometimes it's just not in the cards ... it will be fun to see what the Bills do between now and pick #12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: I think Beane saw an opportunity to shed salary and move up in the draft with Glenn. There is a very strong possibility that move didn't entail him automatically moving up as was assumed. That's the real reason everyone is disappointed. Everyone assumed the Glenn trade was the start of a big trade up for a QB, so now that it didn't happen it's disappointing. But that was always just speculation. We've been trying to trade Glenn since last season. We found a good deal and took it. It didn't mean anything else beyond that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mat68 said: I think you are missing the point that nothing is stopping another team that has a Qb in mind wont just make a trade to 2. Buffalo has the firepower to do it. They could be targeting the same guy and now Buffalo know if they want him they have to go to 2 for him. If the jets waited they could have snuck in and possibly got him at 3 if the Giants were too expensive for Buffalo taste. now there is no surprise the Jets are taking a Qb. If the browns dont take the one they like they know the giants is the only way. So how did the Jets make a mistake? That was the point that I thought was being made. What did I miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Looper said: Why would the Bills move up to #2 to take a guy that would rather be somewhere else ? Take Jackson at #12 and use the other picks to fill holes. This. The chance we move to 2 - or that the giants want to - are slim. Lets build a team team with the picks we have in a deep draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, CLTbills said: Or Gettleman has already agreed to give it to Beane. I doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said: How come you think that? Gettleman said he would entertain offers. I think they were always going to bend us over for #2 overall. I don't think that has changed. But if we are sure this is the guy we want sitting there, paying a lot isn't wrong. 100% on board with your thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Success said: This. The chance we move to 2 - or that the giants want to - are slim. Lets build a team team with the picks we have in a deep draft. Because QB is the most important position in sports, and some of us believe that Darnold, Mayfield, and Rosen are leaps and bounds above Jackson and Allen. Anything less gives us Losman, Manuel flashbacks. Edited March 17, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) I’m sick and damned tired of not having a stud QB. Beane better do whatever the hell it takes to get to #1 or 2. The Bills will never be great until they are great at QB. Edited March 17, 2018 by Binghamton Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Why would the Jets show their hand like that? Panic. They know something that we don't. Have the Bills all but locked up #4 overall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: So how did the Jets make a mistake? That was the point that I thought was being made. What did I miss? They want an elite QB, what morons ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 When I first heard this my thought was this.....the Jets are dumb and will be happy with the scraps of either Darnold or Allen. No way Rosen gets past #2. No way. Then I realized there is another option......the jets will pair the #3 pick with more trade bait to simply swap with the Giants. If the Giants don't have a chance at Rosen, or don;t want him, then they can swap with the Jets and still get whatever non-QB player they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: I’m sick and damned tired of not having a stud QB. Beane better do whatever the hell it takes to get to #1 or 2. The Bills will never be great until they are great at QB. .take the guy that comes with a warranty, money back guarantee and return of your draft pick if he busts......simple..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: So how did the Jets make a mistake? That was the point that I thought was being made. What did I miss? You make that move imo if you see a guy that will lead your franchise for years to come. By moving to 3 their is a possibility that he is drafted 1 or 2. Now a team knows and has 6 weeks to prepare for what it will take to get in front of you. You make that move the eve of the draft or during the draft I think the odds of getting the Qb you want increases 50%. This was a move that the owner wants one of the top Qbs and at 6 they would miss out. I just feel you shouldnt make that kind of commitment and trade unless you are 100% solid on the guy you are getting. Right now their is no way telling what guy you will get. Edited March 17, 2018 by Mat68 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I don't think this is bad for the Jets. They have 3 really high grades on QBs and just guaranteed themselves a shot at drafting one of them. As for how it affects the Bills, I don't think it's the end of the world. I think the Browns are going to take Barkley #1 overall because they'll know that they can still draft one of the top 3 QBs. One of the top QBs could still theoretically be available when the 5th pick comes up and we already know Indy is looking to move down. We could target one of those picks and get one of the QBs without having to move into the top 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Another possibility: As Day One of the draft begins, the Jets themselves may be open to a trade for a king's ransom of picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Mat68 said: You make that move imo if you see a guy that will lead your franchise for years to come. By moving to 3 their is a possibility that he is drafted 1 or 2. Now a team knows and has 6 weeks to prepare for what it will take to get in front of you. You make that move the eve of the draft or during the draft I think the odds of getting the Qb you want increases 50%. This was a move that the owner wants one the top Qbs and at 6 they would miss out. I just feel you shouldnt make that kind of commitment and trade unless you are 100% solid on the guy you are getting. Right now their is no way telling what guy you will get. This is under the assumption that there is no way in hell the Giants or Browns would be opposed to trading with the NYJ to pick three. The fact of the matter is, the Jets have a golden key and 3 doors. We have a silver key and 12 doors. We are both looking for the same thing. We do not have the advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, peterpan said: When I first heard this my thought was this.....the Jets are dumb and will be happy with the scraps of either Darnold or Allen. No way Rosen gets past #2. No way. Then I realized there is another option......the jets will pair the #3 pick with more trade bait to simply swap with the Giants. If the Giants don't have a chance at Rosen, or don;t want him, then they can swap with the Jets and still get whatever non-QB player they want. The giants are not trading with the Jets so they can watch them play with the qb they gave them for the next 15 years . If the Giants trade it will be with someone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Because QB is the most important position in sports, and some of us believe that Darnold, Mayfield, and Rosen are leaps and bounds above Jackson and Allen. Anything less gives us Losman, Manuel flashbacks. This is true, but I want someone who wants to play here. Rosen is giving shoutouts to the Giants, not the Bills. Mayfield is a big city Jets type personality (Broadway Baker) and Darnold has already stated he would love to lead the Browns. That leaves Allen and I see him with the Broncos backing up Case for a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Three words: should have tanked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Three words: should have tanked. Playoffs were neat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Two QB's I like are Darnold and Rosen-- and it's easy to see them going 1, 2. I've felt all along that the Bills need to get up that far to be certain they'd get one. Trouble is, there is only one potential trade partner now-- a team that may want one of them. The Jets may have played their hand early, but they will get one of the top three on their board. The Bills may get shut out, unless they make a major reach for Jackson at 12-- a mistake, I think. Not exactly feeling great today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Looper said: This is true, but I want someone who wants to play here. Rosen is giving shoutouts to the Giants, not the Bills. Mayfield is a big city Jets type personality (Broadway Baker) and Darnold has already stated he would love to lead the Browns. That leaves Allen and I see him with the Broncos backing up Case for a few years. I agree, but we can’t choose guys based on who wants to be here imo. We’d be picking from the bottom of the barrel regularly. They’ll all be fine with it once they arrive. Kelly didn’t want to come here in the beginning either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Elite Poster said: This is under the assumption that there is no way in hell the Giants or Browns would be opposed to trading with the NYJ to pick three. The fact of the matter is, the Jets have a golden key and 3 doors. We have a silver key and 12 doors. We are both looking for the same thing. We do not have the advantage. They didnt have gusto to do it now what would change on draft night? Buffalo knows what it would take and that is why they made that trade with the Bengals. Beane is too calculated to trade to 3 this far out from the draft. The top organizations are not going to grade the top 5 Qbs similar. They are not all going to be great pros. The NFL has 13 good QBs. This draft isnt going to produce 5. Figure out which one you like best and get him if you think he is a Franchise Qb. Maybe 3 was the only option I dont think that is case. Gettleman wants a kings ransom that Buffalo can pay. 1 is the qb they want going to be their? 2 Is that Qb worth the price tag. Without knowing 1 or 2 I dont understand why you trade that far up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, DriveFor1Outta5 said: I agree, but we can’t choose guys based on who wants to be here imo. We’d be picking from the bottom of the barrel regularly. They’ll all be fine with it once they arrive. Kelly didn’t want to come here in the beginning either. The Giants need a QB as well as Eli is 37 and in "decline" as some say. Assuming Rosen sits for a year or maybe even 2 would be a perfect transition as well. Rosen telling the Giants he would love to play for them might influence their decision to trade down with the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinES3 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) QB aside. Can you imagine the haul from this draft talent wise by keeping the picks? Perhaps they view McCarron as a push for Tyrod overall. Stud MLB, WR, 2nd round center, RT... the possibilities are endless... Even if we suck next year, who is looking to come out in 2019 QB wise? I'm just not panicking any longer... Edited March 17, 2018 by SmokinES3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, SmokinES3 said: QB aside. Can you imagine the haul from this draft talent wise by keeping the picks? Perhaps they view McCarron as a push for Tyrod overall. Stud MLB, WR, 2nd round center, RT... the possibilities are endless... Even if we suck next year, who is looking to come out in 2019 QB wise? I'm just not panicking any longer... 2019 qbs are TRASH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mat68 said: They didnt have gusto to do it now what would change on draft night? Buffalo knows what it would take and that is why they made that trade with the Bengals. Beane is too calculated to trade to 3 this far out from the draft. The top organizations are not going to grade the top 5 Qbs similar. They are not all going to be great pros. The NFL has 13 good QBs. This draft isnt going to produce 5. Figure out which one you like best and get him if you think he is a Franchise Qb. Maybe 3 was the only option I dont think that is case. Gettleman wants a kings ransom that Buffalo can pay. 1 is the qb they want going to be their? 2 Is that Qb worth the price tag. Without knowing 1 or 2 I dont understand why you trade that far up. We don't know. NFL GMs probably do. I'll go out on a limb and say the Jets definitely tried to move higher than 3rd overall, and it was probably made pretty clear that #1 and #2 aren't available or the cost of acquiring either pick didn't make sense. The Browns are going to take Barkley #1 overall (I think they view him as the best player in the draft and will be happy with whatever QB is there with the 4th pick), and the Giants are going to auction off the 2nd pick when the time comes. Maybe someone makes the trade, and maybe they don't. My guess is that when it's all said and done, someone offers the Giants a king's ransom and they move down 3-10 spots and draft an impact player. The Eagles moved up a few years ago without knowing if they'd get Wentz or Goff. The Jets just did the same thing IMO. They have 2 guys rated really similarly and they'll be happy with either one. Edited March 17, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Mistake? I doubt many here would be calling it a mistake if we moved up to #3. They sure did an incredible job of screwing us over for a mistake. Here's the triple whammy: 1) They eliminated a trade partner in the top 5 2) Set a ridiculous price for #2, if it's even available 3) Are bringing a top prospect at QB into the division 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: It would be mildly funny if the Giants trade us #2 just to f over the Jets for jumping too soon. the jets didn't jump to soon they got as high as they could get. there issue would have been if the bills and Denver got 2 and 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, SmokinES3 said: QB aside. Can you imagine the haul from this draft talent wise by keeping the picks? Perhaps they view McCarron as a push for Tyrod overall. Stud MLB, WR, 2nd round center, RT... the possibilities are endless... Even if we suck next year, who is looking to come out in 2019 QB wise? I'm just not panicking any longer... The haul won’t matter, if McCarron’s ceiling is that of a backup QB. The Bills have tired the winning with a mediocre QB method for almost two decades now. It doesn’t work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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