Victory Formation Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Who said there was no market for him. That's exactly my point, there was a market for him! Fans suggesting he got between 5-7 is highly unlikely, he probably would have taken a 1-2 year prove it deal if that were the case. He probably got between 8-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Turk71 said: I am not thrilled about the signing, I think he got signed because they know him like Tolbert. Better young players are on the rise for less money. I will leave it, whats done is done and time will prove me right or wrong. I sincerely hope I am wrong. I think he got signed because he fills a need. What's wrong with signing someone they know? It happens in every type of industry. Why is it a bad idea bringing on someone you know? So they struck out with Tolbert, they've also had successes in which you want to ignore because you want to be unhappy with Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 53 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Wish they would talk about the Bills moves on NFL Network instead of on the tracker. Bills are getting a lot of positive talk on local LA sports radio. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I remember when people were panning the Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer, EJ Gaines, and Ramon Humber moves. Again, trust the process, at least on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Based on the response of some here, Star is so bad the competition likely won't bother to block him. LOL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think he got signed because he fills a need. What's wrong with signing someone they know? It happens in every type of industry. Why is it a bad idea bringing on someone you know? So they struck out with Tolbert, they've also had successes in which you want to ignore because you want to be unhappy with Star. That is not true, I have been behind almost every move they have made so far. I was just hoping that the Star to Buffalo rumors weren't true, and yes I guess I trust their judgment less concerning Panthers players. I am not unhappy and I hope it works out. Less than thrilled is probably more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Star is a nose tackle, his job is to tie up 2 men and let the LBs roam free to make plays. Run Stop %? How the hell do you hold him negatively accountable for the system and role. I trust these guys know a hell of a lot more than PFF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Turk71 said: That is not true, I have been behind almost every move they have made so far. I was just hoping that the Star to Buffalo rumors weren't true, and yes I guess I trust their judgment less concerning Panthers players. I am not unhappy and I hope it works out. Less than thrilled is probably more accurate. Some people just can't handle success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I'm guessing he signed for about 5 years 33.5-35 million? Curious as to what the details are. I wouldn't be surprised if it was for 30 million over 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 So Is McBeane just going to sign all Carolina players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: So Is McBeane just going to sign all Carolina players? Ivory? Davis? Need I go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: So Is McBeane just going to sign all Carolina players? Yes...all 53 which would include Cam Newton. I didn’t know Vontae Davis played in Carolina. Chris Ivory either. Edited March 13, 2018 by Royale with Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: So Is McBeane just going to sign all Carolina players? If you consider 25% the same as "all", then he is well on this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 This contract has to be something the Agent just wants to slip in when not everyone it watching. Have a feeling this is going to be a very good Team Friendly Contract. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: So I think this means no chance we sign Suh now So happy about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Turk71 said: https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/star-lotulelei/7795 2016 and 17 he was ranked dead last in run stop % for his position. 2013 rookie year 12.9%, 2014 7.8%, 2015 7.0%, 2016 1.7 % dead last out of 75 dts Notice a pattern? Out of 36 fa dts he was ranked 31st . 6 tackles in 16 games. How much are you willing to pay for that? He does have a cool name though, and he was a Panther. The same guys who loved Tolbert? everything I've seen says in His rookie year he finished 2nd in the NFL among all defensive tackles in run stop percentage and was ranked 6th best defensive tackle against the run by PFF . https://www.footballoutsiders.com/index.php?q=stat-analysis/2014/run-stop-rates-2013 https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/2013-pff-defensive-rookie-of-the-year Carolina's defense went from 14th against the run the year before, to 2nd in the NFL against the run in his rookie year. (110yds per game in 2012 to 86yds per game in 13). They finished 1st in the NFL in sacks, too He also finished 4th in AP defensive rookie of the year voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) ^^^^^^^His rookie year he was tremendous. He went from top to the bottom in that metric the next four years steadily declining. Kawan Short has been dominant next to him and that is who Car gave the extension to. Hey, he is a Bill now and I hope they can bring the best out of him. Edited March 13, 2018 by Turk71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: Dude, he's been well known in his career (since college) to be great against the run. And he can absolutely maul people and eat up double teams. He is a powerhouse. He is excellent at holding the point of attack. http://www.carolinahuddle.com/2017/08/28/carolina-panthers-star-lotulelei/ https://www.sbnation.com/2016/11/1/13486176/star-lotulelei-panthers-defensive-lineman-sacks-cardinals-hoss-of-the-week http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Still-a-Star-in-the-making/d497efb7-5a06-4f69-a8ff-42a6a9d5418c https://catcrave.com/2016/03/24/tbt-the-best-of-star-lotulelei/ http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/03/6_things_to_know_about_new_buffalo_bills_dt_star_lotulelei.html. (This link specifically says he is great at holding the point of attack) https://www.catscratchreader.com/2013/4/26/4269364/2013-nfl-draft-the-importance-of-carolina-landing-star-lotulelei (this one mentions it too) http://arizonasports.com/story/4930/nfl-draft-breaking-down-dt-star-lotulelei/ (and another that says he is dominant at the point of attack) The link where you said the article said he's great at point of attack also mentioned he had something to prove, listed on Pro Football Focus as one of the overrated free agents who went from 33 run stops his rookie year to just 16 last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Shaw66 said: I like this a lot. I don't know NFL talent, and I'm unfamiliar with Star. So why do I like him? McBeane like him. They know him and like him. He played for McD and his play was excellent. His stats dropped off last season, which was the one season he didn't play for McD. He must like McD to have decided to come to Buffalo. He's first round talent, and there's no substitute for talent. Linemen tend to last a long time, so he could be a fixture for five years or more. I like your thoughts!! And agree!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I trust the Bills when it comes to defensive players they draft or sign. After the Peterman start I no longer have complete faith in their ability to evaluate the QB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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