Daniel jeremiah mock has a key Bills message

[DJB]

Check out Daniel  Jeremiah  2nd mock post combine.

 

 

 

21. Rashad Evans

 

22. Lamar Jackson  - " I wouldn't  be surprised  if the Bills packaged some picks to move up for one of the other quarterbacks, but if they sit still  I could see them building  an offence around  Jackson  skill set.

 

 

Jeremiah  is extremely  connected. He's right down on the floor rubbing shoulders with our very own Bills management  and scouts. Obviously  many of us are hoping  this happens but to hear from someone  actually  in the know is very positive . 

 

 

(Sorry I don't know how to embed stuff and make it look all nice and clean, if someone  could  do that it would  be great ! )

Edited March 6, 2018 by DJB
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[26CornerBlitz]

7 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

[The Jokeman]

I respect Jeremiah as a talent evaluator yet disagree with his thoughts regarding Jackson, as to me Jackson is a taller version of Tyrod which to me not a significant improvement. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

I respect Jeremiah as a talent evaluator yet disagree with his thoughts regarding Jackson, as to me Jackson is a taller version of Tyrod which to me not a significant improvement. 

 

Please explain how this is the case.

[KDIGGZ]

Mayfield at 16 lol ohhhhkkkkkayyy

[DJB]

Thanks CornerBlitz for embedding that stuff for me!!!

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, DJB said:

Thanks CornerBlitz for embedding that stuff for me!!!

 

No problemo.   I actually posted it earlier today in the running mock draft thread. 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Please explain how this is the case.

 

Seriously.  The “Lamar Jackson is Tyrod 2.0” argument is just dumb.  Lazy, ignorant assessment, IMO.

[The Jokeman]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Please explain how this is the case.

The case is both Jackson and Tyrod are exceptional athletes. As a result I doubt that they've never had to learn to fully read defenses as they can use their legs to escape pressure and make plays with their legs which is a highly over rated stat. I mean if look at Tyrod's rushing numbers last year, he had 427 yards rushing which equates to 28.46 yards per game played which to me isn't game changing ability no matter how good his total yard were compared to the rest of the league's QBs. I mean tag that 28.46 yards rushing per game, are we really going to say those yards are what put as at 9-7 last year? 

[Kirby Jackson]

13 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Please explain how this is the case.

They are black and run all of the time. Same guy...

 

Also, they can’t read defenses or process information. Jackson is a combination of Tyrod, Vick, Watson, Leftwich, Doug Williams, Jameis, David Garrard and 1/2 of Russell Wilson (the half that runs all of the time).

Edited March 6, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[26CornerBlitz]

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

The case is both Jackson and Tyrod are exceptional athletes. As a result I doubt that they've never had to learn to fully read defenses as they can use their legs to escape pressure and make plays with their legs which is a highly over rated stat. I mean if look at Tyrod's rushing numbers last year, he had 427 yards rushing which equates to 28.46 yards per game played which to me isn't game changing ability no matter how good his total yard were compared to the rest of the league's QBs. I mean tag that 28.46 yards rushing per game, are we really going to say those yards are what put as at 9-7 last year? 

 

This tells me that you are not aware of the pro style offense that Jackson played in at Louisville under Bobby Petrino that features NFL level route combinations that also requires the QB to read defenses and hang in the pocket to make throws.  There's no way you watched him play and can honestly come to this conclusion. 

Edited March 7, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Utah John]

So it sounds to me that Jackson is combination of Tyrod Taylor and a QB.  That could be a really good combination.  Taylor's running last year was held down by the OC and that was a shame.  There were a lot of first downs there for the taking but TT had been coached not to run for them, and ended up not completing a pass instead.  In 2016, he took those runs and kept drives alive.  But, regardless of his running, he just couldn't throw receivers open.  Last year he didn't have any good receivers but in 2016 he had Watson and Woods so no excuses there. 

 

If you can take Taylor's running skills and add the things an NFL QB is supposed to do, you've got something special.  This is how I read Lamar Jackson.  He could be the guy we need, particularly if we don't need to sell the farm to get him. 

[The Jokeman]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

This tells me that you are not aware of the pro style offense that Jackson played in at Louisville under Bobby Petrino that features NFL level route combinations that require the QB to read defenses and hang in the pocket to make throws.  There's no way you watched him play and can honestly come to this conclusion. 

Yet at the same time the kid has a less than 60% completion percentage and his rushing numbers are off the charts, if he did this in college no doubt he did the same in high school and pop warner etc. He was the 12th ranked duel threat QB entering college. Stuff like this scares me as makes me worry that they need to learn to change from a running QB to a QB that can run (in my opinion two vastly different things). 

[BigBuff423]

24 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I respect Jeremiah as a talent evaluator yet disagree with his thoughts regarding Jackson, as to me Jackson is a taller version of Tyrod which to me not a significant improvement. 

 

I’m sorry but Jackson and Tyrod are almost nothing alike. Jackson is already the far superior QB. 

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

I’m sorry but Jackson and Tyrod are almost nothing alike. Jackson is already the far superior QB. 

Which means he might be another Vick, which to me still not a good QB. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

More AIDS every day

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

19 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

This tells me that you are not aware of the pro style offense that Jackson played in at Louisville under Bobby Petrino that features NFL level route combinations that require the QB to read defenses and hang in the pocket to make throws.  There's no way you watched him play and can honestly come to this conclusion. 

Happens to be the same pro style we are supposed to be implementing here as well. Kinda gives the kid a leg up if you ask me.

[The Jokeman]

23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They are black and run all of the time. Same guy...

 

Also, they can’t read defenses or process information. Jackson is a combination of Tyrod, Vick, Watson, Leftwich, Doug Williams, Jameis, David Garrard and 1/2 of Russell Wilson (the half that runs all of the time).

Na more like Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel, Frank Tarkenton, Flutie in 2000 and the list could continue. 

Edited March 7, 2018 by The Jokeman

[Kirby Jackson]

8 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Na more like Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel, Frank Tarkenton, Flutie in 2000 and the list could continue. 

If you think that he plays anything like Tim Tebow you’ve probably never seen him play.  Jackson has an elite arm (that it is inconsistent). Tebow throws like a blind guy with no arms. 

[Bag of Milk]

Taking Lamar Jackson is a no brainer. He is an electrifying playmaker.

With the other first, as much as I do like the pick of Evans- Jeremiah still has Ridley on the board, it would be hard not to snap him up.

Ridley has legitimate number 1 WR abilty and to lock up your number 1 WR at a rookie contract rate for at least 5 years is sweet.

[aceman_16]

49 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I respect Jeremiah as a talent evaluator yet disagree with his thoughts regarding Jackson, as to me Jackson is a taller version of Tyrod which to me not a significant improvement. 

I do not see this at all. I compare him more to Mike Vick. Big strong,  elusive, fast, similar accuracy and good arm strength. Lamar is not the most aaccurate HOWEVER his at times innacuracies do NOT lead to ints.

[billsbackto81]

After witnessing what he was able to accomplish last year I have no place in disagreeing with whatever McD plans on going with. The man ended the drought in his first year with limited talent, instilling a sense of discipline and belief and a little luck.  Sure he made some rookie mistakes with time management and the whole NateP fiasco but the man has a vision and an eye for talent specific to his plan. If he feels Jackson or any of the other viable option at QB can bring this team closer to a title I'm all in.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 words I don’t want associated with the next Bills QB.  

 

Exceptional Athlete 

[aceman_16]

40 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

The case is both Jackson and Tyrod are exceptional athletes. As a result I doubt that they've never had to learn to fully read defenses .....

What??? Jackson has the most experience reading the 3 levels of defenses of any of the top 6 QBs Just a ton of BAD assumptions here.

[MC Hamburg]

I want one of these QBs from this draft...if it happens to be Lamar Jackson...he wouldn't be my first pick...but I would be exited to see what they be cooking up in the Offensive kitchen. This kid could be something else...or not...but seems to have a chip on his shoulder and wants to prove himself as a true quarterback. I wouldn't cry over it...but i would cry if they don't take a QB and we have to watch another year of the same old same old....mkay

[Needle]

Count me in the camp that thinks Jackson and Taylor are similar in style. I am also someone who never felt Taylor was far off from being a good starting QB. To me Taylor has always been prepared, made consistent reads, a strong leader and teammate.

 

It was his execution that was up and down. The carousel of offenses and lack of weapons certainly had an effect on that. Another understated hurdle has been his height in my opinion. I have always felt it was a major cause in his tentativeness.

 

Jackson has superior tools. The similarity lies in their ability to escape pressure. Neither strike me as a run first QB though. I think having similar QBs with that extra gear allows a coordinator to create a playbook that takes advantage of both QBs. I also think the Taylor and Jackson combo makes a ton of sense. I like both players on this team.

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

2 words I don’t want associated with the next Bills QB.  

 

Exceptional Athlete 

Yeah, I would love for it to say, “terrible athlete.” We should draft Orlando Brown to play QB!!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, I would love for it to say, “terrible athlete.” We should draft Orlando Brown to play QB!!

 

Any time I hear the word "dynamic" associated with a QB, it leads me to believe they'll never work long-term in the NFL.

 

See: Kaepernick, Colin and Taylor, Tyrod.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, I would love for it to say, “terrible athlete.” We should draft Orlando Brown to play QB!!

You know what I meant you {*}£} 

 

exceptional athlete = not a passing QB

[JaCrispy]

Have to say, I agree with Shady and Joe...and after EJ and Tyrod it’s understandable why fans might shy away from a QB who is known more for his running than for his passing.

[Kirby Jackson]

18 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Any time I hear the word "dynamic" associated with a QB, it leads me to believe they'll never work long-term in the NFL.

 

See: Kaepernick, Colin and Taylor, Tyrod.

 

It is rarely used on QBs though. Vick is the best example (and the player that most closely resembles Jackson). I would say that his career was peaks and valleys. He had a few great years and a prison sentence in between. I don’t expect Jackson to go to prison but he has a similar skill set. 

 

He certainly isn't without risk. With that being said, he has a massive arm and is an elite athlete. Jackson can mask a lot of the playmaking issues that this team has. He’d be the fastest player on offense tomorrow. He plays in a pro style additionally. Being an elite athlete doesn’t mean that he can’t be a good QB. The tools are there.

 

I still prefer the Bills trade up for Mayfield or Rosen (and still think that is the likeliest scenario). With that being said, getting Jackson at 21 wouldn’t be a bad conciliation. He is boom or bust, much like Allen. The difference is you aren’t using up all of your draft picks on the lottery ticket. 

Edited March 7, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Mark Vader]

Forget about Lamar Jackson.....is Rashaan Evans worth a first round pick?

[JaCrispy]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It is rarely used on QBs though. Vick is the best example (and the player that most closely resembles Jackson) and would say that his career was peaks and valleys. He had a few great years and a prison sentence in between. I don’t expect Jackson to go to prison but he has a similar skill set. 

 

He certainly isnt without risk. With that being said, he has a massive arm and is an elite athlete. Jackson can mask a lot of the playmaking issues that this team has. He’d be the fastest player on offense tomorrow. He plays in a pro style offense additionally. Being an elite athlete doesn’t mean that he can’t be a good QB. The tools are there.

 

I still prefer the Bills trade up for Mayfield or Rosen (and still think that is the likeliest scenario). With that being said, getting Jackson at 21 wouldn’t be a bad constellation. He is boom or bust, much like Allen. The difference is you aren’t using up all of your draft picks on the lottery ticket. 

I like your last paragraph...I think I could learn to live with the idea of Jackson at 21 if I had to, but Mayfield is my first choice.

[Solomon Grundy]

48 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Yet at the same time the kid has a less than 60% completion percentage and his rushing numbers are off the charts, if he did this in college no doubt he did the same in high school and pop warner etc. He was the 12th ranked duel threat QB entering college. Stuff like this scares me as makes me worry that they need to learn to change from a running QB to a QB that can run (in my opinion two vastly different things). 

Jokeman, did you know that Lamar Jackson threw for over 9000 yards and 69 TDs in 2.5 seasons at Louisville?? The keyword being "threw"!!

8 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Forget about Lamar Jackson.....is Rashaan Evans worth a first round pick?

YES

Get DJ Chark and it's on

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, the skycap said:

Jokeman, did you know that Lamar Jackson threw for over 9000 yards and 69 TDs in 2.5 seasons at Louisville?? The keyword being "threw"!!

 

With less than stellar talent.  Imagine if Jackson had James Washington and Marcell Ateman.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

With less than stellar talent.  Imagine if Jackson had James Washington and Marcell Ateman.

That's why I drool at the chance to add Chark to an offense with Shady, Zay, Benjamin and Clay. Blitz, I'm willing to use the second 2 on Chark. Would you do it?

[Bag of Milk]

8 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Forget about Lamar Jackson.....is Rashaan Evans worth a first round pick?

 

He is considered a first round pick across the board.

 

In this day and age of the salary cap I like using number 1's on positions that are extremely hard to obtain in free agency.(without blowing up your cap)

 

Whatever team actually hits on a QB in the first round (some of them will bust, and no one knows which one), will get 5 or 6 years of low salary at an incredibly expensive position. This will allow that team to strenghten their team in so many ways)

 

I would take Ridley   ( a true number one wr) over Evans in the first round for this reason. True number one WR'S are difficult to obtain  in free agency, 5 or 6 years of a number one on his rookie contract offers great value. Smith is a sideline to sideline LB, those  will be available later in the draft. Generally LB's that get drafted higher and are valued to a greater degree in free agency are pass rushing, not coverage linebackers.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, the skycap said:

That's why I drool at the chance to add Chark to an offense with Shady, Zay, Benjamin and Clay. Blitz, I'm willing to use the second 2 on Chark. Would you do it?

 

That all depends on what needs are addressed in UFA.  He potentially would fill a glaring need, but I'm skeptical about rookie WRs transitioning quickly to the NFL game in order to make a big contribution.

[McBean]

I would hate this.

[Mij yllek]

Whenever you can force the opposing team to game plan around the possibility that your QB can take off and potentially score from anywhere on the field, you hold an advantage. Nothing wrong with Jackson at #22.