Virgil Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 If all the desired FA QB’s sign elsewhere and if the top 4 QB’s are gone before we can trade up... And without bitching about it or saying “trade up period”...... What would you like to see done with our picks? I would want the Bills to hopefully try to trade back more. I wouldn’t care if they traded out of the first round altogether. Ideally, I’d trade a 1st this year for a 1st next year, to have the ammo for a possible trade up next year. I’d like to take our 5 picks in the first 3 rounds and make it 7 or 8. Basically, I want to build all the pieces we can and set ourselves up for a QB next year. I believe that quality of starter late first round is similar to second round picks. We can really build a foundation and put ourselves in position for a QB next year. If we can fill the other holes with our draft this year, selling the farm to trade up for a QB the following year won’t hurt as much. My biggest fear to trading up this year is that we will have too many holes to fill and not the picks to fill them with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 We filled holes with free agents last year we can do the same this year. QB or bust!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 You don't get in a pool by sticking your toe in , you jump in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: We filled holes with free agents last year we can do the same this year. QB or bust!!! We have a lot of holes. Moreso than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Virgil said: We have a lot of holes. Moreso than last year. Holes in their heads maybe if they don't take a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 I should have known this would be impossible 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I do hope they get a QB they like without moving into the top ten. Besides that, I'd like to see the DLine (two DTs and a DE) and OLine (G/C, RT) bolstered as well as a MLB added. Focus on the trenches as games are won and lost there. If we can't re-sign Gaines, we probably have to add a CB to the list. Too much needed to needlessly spend moving into the top 10 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Virgil said: We have a lot of holes. Moreso than last year. Do we?? We can not continue down this road of no QB because of fear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Here is a draft that will fill many holes if we trade our first two picks and get Baker Mayfield. Also doesn't account for free agents that we will sign. (Using Drafttek) 1. QB Baker Mayfield 2. DT Harrison Phillips 2. LB Leighton Vander Esch 3. OC Bradley Bozeman 4. WR Dante Pettis 5. OT Ike Boettger 5. DT Olive Sagapolu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 Sometimes I wonder why I even write a topic or post a question. People just turn it into what they want anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Virgil said: If all the desired FA QB’s sign elsewhere and if the top 4 QB’s are gone before we can trade up... And without bitching about it or saying “trade up period”...... What would you like to see done with our picks? I would want the Bills to hopefully try to trade back more. I wouldn’t care if they traded out of the first round altogether. Ideally, I’d trade a 1st this year for a 1st next year, to have the ammo for a possible trade up next year. I’d like to take our 5 picks in the first 3 rounds and make it 7 or 8. Basically, I want to build all the pieces we can and set ourselves up for a QB next year. I believe that quality of starter late first round is similar to second round picks. We can really build a foundation and put ourselves in position for a QB next year. If we can fill the other holes with our draft this year, selling the farm to trade up for a QB the following year won’t hurt as much. My biggest fear to trading up this year is that we will have too many holes to fill and not the picks to fill them with. Good and the. Next year we can say well lets wait for a QB. I dont want to give up blah blah get a DT and OG blah blah GO GET THE QB THIS YEAR 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 49 minutes ago, Virgil said: I should have known this would be impossible Well you gotta look at the fact that we've been passing up franchise QBs for so long while other teams have been getting theirs. We can't keep hoping for a diamond in the rough every year. With the picks we have, this may be the only chance we have to move up and roll the dice. Now if we end up signing a FA QB, then your idea has a shot of working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Not improving on Tyrod or giving the team to Peterman is the same as staying in a loveless abusive relationship. Some people just would rather stay with what they know rather than take a chance at improving their lives. Time to move on and move up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, Virgil said: Sometimes I wonder why I even write a topic or post a question. People just turn it into what they want anyways No ,we are just showing you we can trade up and still fill holes. Maybe you should change your view instead of us . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Virgil said: We have a lot of holes. Moreso than last year. Do we? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 It’s not a view. It’s a question. Cousins may sign somewhere else. Other teams may not want to trade back to us or other teams might beat us to the punch. It’s a very real possibility. And IF that happens, then what? Are you going to capon Goodell and tell him it’s unfair and we really need one? Just now, John from Hemet said: Do we? If I’m not mistaken, we have the most open positions in the league once the year starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Just now, Virgil said: It’s not a view. It’s a question. Cousins may sign somewhere else. Other teams may not want to trade back to us or other teams might beat us to the punch. It’s a very real possibility. And IF that happens, then what? Are you going to capon Goodell and tell him it’s unfair and we really need one? It's happening, one way or the other we will get a QB. And if by some miracle (curse) that we don't, then we go BPA and get one next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Virgil said: It’s not a view. It’s a question. Cousins may sign somewhere else. Other teams may not want to trade back to us or other teams might beat us to the punch. It’s a very real possibility. And IF that happens, then what? Are you going to capon Goodell and tell him it’s unfair and we really need one? If I’m not mistaken, we have the most open positions in the league once the year starts Virgil I understand what your saying but i really think that the "open positions" were starting to get filled last year even if they are not on the team yet. We did a lot of tinkering with the back end of our roster to find guys that fit our team as we were signing and releasing players....some of those players that fit our team will be back. The concern is to fill key spots....and to try to improve the team at certain postions QB DT Pass Rush LB I think we are set at spots like WR, TE, RB, possibly OL depending on how they fill about Glenn coming back and Miller taking his old spot back at RG....I think Cadet comes back to back up Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Guy on the Bench Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 It's a great question (despite the fact that no one is answering it). I'm in the trade up at all costs if there's a QB we like camp. But as you say that might not be possible. There are 5 QBs I would take a flyer on at 21 and maybe even 6 (Rudolph would be the 6th). So with your original 4 QB premise, I'd still probably use one of the picks on a QB and pray. If all 5 or 6 QBs were gone, then I'm with you. Trade down if possible. Accumulate picks. Add solid players. Maybe take a mid-round flyer on one of the second tier QBs. And then try to get up high enough in the draft next year again to pick a blue chip QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 There's no reason to worry about the prospect of not finding a new QB this off-season. McBeane will address the position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I for one was unaware the draft even had non qbs to pick from lol. Just doesnt seem as fun 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 How are we going to trade our firsts this year for firsts next year and still fill all our holes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I would rather use both 1sts, but trade down with one of the seconds to get a 3rd and 4th. If we could trade one of those 1sts for a first next year, I would do it, in hopes that it is a top 10 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I will play along, if no FA or trade up for QB. (If Allen falls past 10 I do everything I can to get him) 1. Start TT 2. Get a DT, DB or sign Gaines, and a WR in FA along with some camp filler bodies 3. Draft OLB at 21 4. Trade out of 22 for a first next year and a third this year 5. Add an OT, DE, LB, DB later in the draft 6. Plan on meaningful games being played in December again 7. And plan a trip to Green Bay as soon as the schedule is released and tickets go on sale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said: I will play along, if no FA or trade up for QB. (If Allen falls past 10 I do everything I can to get him) 1. Start TT 2. Get a DT, DB or sign Gaines, and a WR in FA along with some camp filler bodies 3. Draft OLB at 21 4. Trade out of 22 for a first next year and a third this year 5. Add an OT, DE, LB, DB later in the draft 6. Plan on meaningful games being played in December again 7. And plan a trip to Green Bay as soon as the schedule is released and tickets go on sale I’m good with all of that. I’m surprised you go OLB first overall, but I can’t argue with the end result. I think TT is gone and we end up with some other journeyman QB here in his place. Mayve a bearded guy from Harvard (riot ensues) 1 hour ago, John from Hemet said: Virgil I understand what your saying but i really think that the "open positions" were starting to get filled last year even if they are not on the team yet. We did a lot of tinkering with the back end of our roster to find guys that fit our team as we were signing and releasing players....some of those players that fit our team will be back. The concern is to fill key spots....and to try to improve the team at certain postions QB DT Pass Rush LB I think we are set at spots like WR, TE, RB, possibly OL depending on how they fill about Glenn coming back and Miller taking his old spot back at RG....I think Cadet comes back to back up Shady. I’m not talking holes as in lack of quality starters or depth. I think we have over 20 guys who are unrestricted free agents. 37 minutes ago, White Linen said: How are we going to trade our firsts this year for firsts next year and still fill all our holes? Trade #21 for a first next year and a 3rd this year gives us the same number of picks this year and the 2 1sts next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Virgil said: I’m good with all of that. I’m surprised you go OLB first overall, but I can’t argue with the end result. I think TT is gone and we end up with some other journeyman QB here in his place. Mayve a bearded guy from Harvard (riot ensues) I’m not talking holes as in lack of quality starters or depth. I think we have over 20 guys who are unrestricted free agents. I think several of those guys will be back on team friendly contracts....for instance I cant see Donte Thompson going anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 54 minutes ago, BillsVet said: There's no reason to worry about the prospect of not finding a new QB this off-season. McBeane will address the position I agree. But it’s very possible it’s not one of the top 4 guys or Cousins, as so many people are banking on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 Just now, John from Hemet said: I think several of those guys will be back on team friendly contracts....for instance I cant see Donte Thompson going anywhere I agree. But even at 500k deals, that many of them will eat up some cap. The holes make me believe we are out of the Cousins race because we can’t pay him and fill all of those holes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I think they get a QB that falls to them, Jackson Allen or Rudolph and groom them behind Tyrod in this scenario. Seems very process-like. Maybe even a White or Lauletta. I'm liking what I see out of Jackson and Lauletta but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Virgil said: I agree. But even at 500k deals, that many of them will eat up some cap. The holes make me believe we are out of the Cousins race because we can’t pay him and fill all of those holes. Virgil, what does your top 22 list look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 1 minute ago, thunderingsquid said: I think they get a QB that falls to them, Jackson Allen or Rudolph and groom them behind Tyrod in this scenario. Seems very process-like. Maybe even a White or Lauletta. I'm liking what I see out of Jackson and Lauletta but that's just me. If they are there, which I think they will be, and we pass on them..... I will honestly enjoy watching this board explode. 1 minute ago, NewDayBills said: Virgil, what does your top 22 list look like? 22? Draft Board? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Just now, Virgil said: If they are there, which I think they will be, and we pass on them..... I will honestly enjoy watching this board explode. 22? Draft Board? Yeah. I'm just curious what your top 22 draft board would look like. I know it's a loaded question, I'm just curious, I understand if you don't have the time to answer, but just off the top of your head, what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Virgil said: If they are there, which I think they will be, and we pass on them..... I will honestly enjoy watching this board explode. 22? Draft Board? VIrgil he is talking about the top 22 players that count against the cap.....you do realize this is the case right (hopefully I have that right) Regardless...there is nothing preventing us from going after Cousins because we no longer work on the cash to cap model.....we have a LARGE amount of cap space in the year after next....and contracts can be constructed to make it fit. Edited February 26, 2018 by John from Hemet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: VIrgil he is talking about the top 22 players that count against the cap.....you do realize this is the case right (hopefully I have that right) We own 21 and 22 overall. I'm just trying to get a feel for who fans want. (You can play along too.) Edited February 26, 2018 by NewDayBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 1 minute ago, NewDayBills said: We own 21 and 22 overall. I'm just trying to get a feel for who fans want. (You can play along too.) My feeling on the whole thing is I would like to trade up for a QB unless its gonna cost a Ditkas ransom......lets just take our shot at greatness The bridge qb thing I dont know what they will do.....if we trade up I think that player will be starting before the year is done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: My feeling on the whole thing is I would like to trade up for a QB unless its gonna cost a Ditkas ransom......lets just take our shot at greatness The bridge qb thing I dont know what they will do.....if we trade up I think that player will be starting before the year is done If Denver lands Cousins, if the Giants take Barkley and Rosen is sitting there at 5, I could see a big trade. If we stay put, my top 22 gets really confusing for me. I know we need a QB, but if it comes down to Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph, do we want to hitch our wagon to a very questionable prospect? Chances are, if you take a QB in the first, your HC and GM will live by that pick and die by that pick as is the nature of 1st round QBs. Now if one of those guys fell to RD2? It's not a tremendous commitment to them and we can move on quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Virgil said: We have a lot of holes. Moreso than last year. Yup. But that's what low-cost FA is for. Fill the holes with cheap to mid-priced journeymen. Then build through the draft. Personally, I don't expect much next year. We're not likely to get so lucky with an easy schedule and the tough teams all being faced during the worst streaks of their seasons. I don't see success next year. Just a chance to continue putting together the team that should start to look good soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Yup. But that's what low-cost FA is for. Fill the holes with cheap to mid-priced journeymen. Then build through the draft. Personally, I don't expect much next year. We're not likely to get so lucky with an easy schedule and the tough teams all being faced during the worst streaks of their seasons. I don't see success next year. Just a chance to continue putting together the team that should start to look good soon. Well... we all know you're a big Eeyore so it's not shocking you don't expect much next year. I think McBeane has something different in mind... and given another year to build the team they want, 8 draft picks in the first 5 rounds and a free agency period soon underway... I think you're at best being cautious but most likely just being foolish tempering your expectations to the point where you believe this team takes a big step back next year. Early stages... obviously... but I'm calling playoffs again. Now it's time to take the next step and win some playoff games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, John from Hemet said: VIrgil he is talking about the top 22 players that count against the cap.....you do realize this is the case right (hopefully I have that right) Regardless...there is nothing preventing us from going after Cousins because we no longer work on the cash to cap model.....we have a LARGE amount of cap space in the year after next....and contracts can be constructed to make it fit. We have a large amount of cap space in 2019 largely because we don't have anybody really under contract. Once we start to construct a team we'll see what our space actually looks like. Right now we have no idea. It's like the guy in October saying "Man, my budget for next year looks fantastic. I haven't committed to spending almost anything. I'm gonna save a ton, ignoring the fact that his present lease runs out in December, he hasn't got a place to live, a car, any insurance ... Sometimes a lot of future cap space is a fantastic thing. Other times it just means you haven't begun to make commitments to people yet. That's what it means for us. Leaving off guys like Tyrod and Wood, who are still listed but will actually be gone, here's what we have under contract: Cordy Glenn Jerry Hughes McCoy Charles Clay Micah Hyde Jordan Poyer Shaq Lawson Hauschka Tre White Patrick DiMarco Ducasse Andre Holmes Zay Jones Dion Dawkins Adolphus Washington Matt Milano Nathan Peterman That's not the core of a team, it just isn't. Don't get me wrong, there are a few more but the guys above are the ones who we'll be building around. For the record, here are the rest: Marcus Murphy, Tanner Vallejo, Keith Towbridge, Breon Borders, Nordly Capi, Conor McDermott, Brandon Reilly, De'Ondre Wesley, Xavier Woodson-Luster, Cory Carter, Jason Croom, Malachi Dupre, Aaron Green, Rickey Hatley, Josh James, Marquavius Lewis and Adam Redmond. So if you look at this whole group, do you see an o-line? A D-line? An LB corps? A QB? WRs? I certainly see our starting safeties and maybe a TE if they continue with mostly a one-TE attack, if they stay healthy, but beyond that? The reason we have a lot of space is because we don't have a team yet for that year. You look at who Philly already has under contract for 2019 and you're like, dang, that's a very good team already. Not us. We just don't know who we'll be. Edited February 26, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 If we don’t address the QB situation this year then we might be screwed.....I don’t think there’s much in terms of QB talent coming out next year. i think this is the year to pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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