Nick Foles is going nowhere...

[Big Turk]

8 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Why would the Eagles even entertain trading him?

 

1 - He just proved in the playoffs how valuable an above average backup is.

 

2 - He is on a team friendly deal for next year.

 

3 - Most important...will Wentz be ready for the 2018 season, and even if he does start in the opener,  how long before he is 100%, or what if he has a setback?

 

 

Because his value will never be higher and they will lose him for nothing after next year regardless if they don't.

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Because his value will never be higher and they will lose him for nothing after next year regardless if they don't.

I agree that they should trade him given their situation with negative cap space (of which he takes up 7+ mill) and only  1 draft pick in the first 4 rounds. I can understand though why they would be apprehensive since Wentz’s timetable is up in the air. It’s short term vs long term strategy. They may be ok to trade wentz with his value high and sign another capable backup in FA - Keenum? trade for TT? We give them TT and a 2nd? They would need to restructure his contract though. 

Edited February 7, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Process]

sam braford got traded for a first a couple years ago didn't he?

 

if Bradford can go for a first, a team that loses a qb over the summer will give up at least a first for foles

 

and philly cant pass that up

 

this is assuming wentz is healthy obviously

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Process said:

sam braford got traded for a first a couple years ago didn't he?

 

if Bradford can go for a first, a team that loses a qb over the summer will give up at least a first for foles

 

and philly cant pass that up

 

this is assuming wentz is healthy obviously

I think that is an option as well (waiting for a TC injury) but then you are still tied up with his cap hit throughout this upcoming FA and the draft pick won’t be until 2019. But that seems like something they could do to once they know if they  have Wentz.

Edited February 7, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Cripple Creek]

8 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Why would the Eagles even entertain trading him?

 

1 - He just proved in the playoffs how valuable an above average backup is.

 

2 - He is on a team friendly deal for next year.

 

3 - Most important...will Wentz be ready for the 2018 season, and even if he does start in the opener,  how long before he is 100%, or what if he has a setback?

 

 

Only one reason...magnanimity towards a player.  Not something frequently seen in professional sports or professions in general.

[YoloinOhio]

I think if they do trade him, they will try to do right by him in that it would be somewhere he wants to go and he’s on board. I mean, he did win them the SB. 

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, dneveu said:

 

A tad extreme....  

 

I have 0 interest in Foles for a 1st round pick.  I don't think anyone really does.  The Free agent class will hit a lot of the spots, and the ones that don't will look to the draft.  So they only way to trade him and get something for 2018 would be to trade him when you can.  

Drafting in the 1st gets you 5 years of cost control, trading for Foles gets you one.  

Im not advicating it just showing a logical trade scenerio that Philly would do.  There is a larger amount of teams that need Qbs than available starting Qbs available.  A team that needs a Qb may very well pony up for foles.  

[billsredneck1]

i think a sure fire trade is no. 22 and cordy. peters has been in the league going into his 14th year. he should be making at least as much as cordy....cordy's cap space would come in handy. i myself do not think glenn is going to be able to start playing 16 game seasons and we have dawkins.

 

philly would be better off and can have johnson at rt.  maybe we could also get a player in the trade..like bradham.

 

if there was a way i could do something with tyrod in a trade, i would consider that as well, but i can't see where that would work with philly.

Edited February 8, 2018 by billsredneck1

[OldTimer1960]

9 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Foles is worth more to the Eagles in 2018 as an insurance policy than what they are going to get in a trade.

 

Other than his one miracle year under Chip Kelly(27 TD's and 2 INT's), and a couple of really good playoff games this year, he has put up 34 TD's and 27 INT's(career numbers minus the year previously mentioned).  So how much is a team going to give up(in a trade and then a new contract) for this soon to be 30 year old?

I would not trade much for him.  He had one good season and a few good games at the best time after Wentz was injured.

 

Chances are high that he returns to his average-at-best self with extended playing time.

I don’t think that it would be wise to trade for Foles, unless the price is a 3rd round pick or later.  Alex Smith is FAR more accomplished and he cost only a 3rd and a non-stellar CB.

[CircleTheWagons99]

If Philly said “Foles for Shady shraight up” would you take it? 

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said:

i think a sure fire trade is no. 22 and cordy. peters has been in the league going into his 14th year. he should be making at least as much as cordy....cordy's cap space would come in handy. i myself do not think glenn is going to be able to start playing 16 game seasons and we have dawkins.

 

philly would be better off and can have johnson at rt.  maybe we could also get a player in the trade..like bradham.

 

if there was a way i could do something with tyrod in a trade, i would consider that as well, but i can't see where that would work with philly.

 

Halapoulivaati Vaitai came in for Peters and played really well.

He's a 5th rounder in 2016 and costs them nothing.

 

I was thinking the same thing you were about player trades and Philly dumping cap hits.................unfortunately I don't think they will be wanting Cordy Glenn. 

Peters is 12 million of cap with 6 million dead on his last real year of the contract.

There is a team option year on him in 2019.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

i think a sure fire trade is no. 22 and cordy. peters has been in the league going into his 14th year. he should be making at least as much as cordy....cordy's cap space would come in handy. i myself do not think glenn is going to be able to start playing 16 game seasons and we have dawkins.

 

philly would be better off and can have johnson at rt.  maybe we could also get a player in the trade..like bradham.

 

if there was a way i could do something with tyrod in a trade, i would consider that as well, but i can't see where that would work with philly.

 

Bradham is a FA. 

 

Philly is $9M in the red on the Cap this year and short on draft picks.  One of their motivations to trade Foles (if they are motivated) would be to shed cap and gain picks.  They are not going to trade Foles for a high-priced veteran player.

 

3 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Lets put it this way, I would absolutely fire any GM that had a #1 draft pick on the table then lost the QB to free agency and received nothing

That a dumb GM.

I am sure the Eagles would love to keep him, won't happen

 

What would you do to a GM that traded a QB who just won you a Superbowl, while Mr Franchise QB is still recovering from an injury, potentially leaving your team with 0 proven QB?

Edited February 8, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan

[Mat68]

2 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

If Philly said “Foles for Shady shraight up” would you take it? 

Yes. Foles has more years and Buffalo needs a Qb.  Try to trade Taylor for a rb.   But with all their Rbs no way they do that. 

[Misterbluesky]

After everything has been said and done..odds are Taylor will most likely be our starter for next years opener.Beane is not going to overpay for a FA and he's not going to sink a group of picks to move up for a qb..he already said he has some major holes to fill.Meaning WR,DE,DT,RT,RG,MLB and OLB.

[Kelly the Dog]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Tyrod has NEVER had anything close to a horrible season.

 

Foles was horrible in 2015 but also a huge disappointment in 2014........he was in Chip Kelly's doghouse before he got hurt.   59% completion 13 TD's and 10 INT.    The career putrid Mark Sanchez filled in for him for half of the season and played better than Foles.    Let's not pretend that 2015 was the only bad look.

 

He's most comfortable in the simple RPO offense but he can run hot and cold even then.

 

  

Yeah, Foles has looked very good less than half of his career, regardless of the coach. But very few QBs are consistently very good. It's tough to say whether the light has really come on for him, which is quite possible, or he's just the equivalent of a super streaky shooter in hoops or goal scorer in hockey.

[YoloinOhio]

43 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

After everything has been said and done..odds are Taylor will most likely be our starter for next years opener.Beane is not going to overpay for a FA and he's not going to sink a group of picks to move up for a qb..he already said he has some major holes to fill.Meaning WR,DE,DT,RT,RG,MLB and OLB.

Im usually not overly negative about the team but this would be “same old Bills” to me and would drain any enthusiasm i had for the next season. I admire the dedication of the Bills optimists on this board who continue to  tirelessly defend  Tyrod in every thread. I don’t get it but it’s fascinating. 

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I would not trade much for him.  He had one good season and a few good games at the best time after Wentz was injured.

 

Chances are high that he returns to his average-at-best self with extended playing time.

I don’t think that it would be wise to trade for Foles, unless the price is a 3rd round pick or later.  Alex Smith is FAR more accomplished and he cost only a 3rd and a non-stellar CB.

I would based on his playoff performances alone. A QB who is clutch in the postseason is worth FAR more than a guy who plays great during the season and sucks when he gets to the playoffs.  Its much hardee to find a guy who excels in the playoffs.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Tyrod has NEVER had anything close to a horrible season.

 

Foles was horrible in 2015 but also a huge disappointment in 2014........he was in Chip Kelly's doghouse before he got hurt.   59% completion 13 TD's and 10 INT.    The career putrid Mark Sanchez filled in for him for half of the season and played better than Foles.    Let's not pretend that 2015 was the only bad look.

 

He's most comfortable in the simple RPO offense but he can run hot and cold even then.

 

  

Taylor never had anything close to a great season either that's what game managers are. If u think being 30th every yr at passing isn't bad then i guess we just see the position in a different way.  I want my QB to throw for yds not run for them. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

3 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

After everything has been said and done..odds are Taylor will most likely be our starter for next years opener.Beane is not going to overpay for a FA and he's not going to sink a group of picks to move up for a qb..he already said he has some major holes to fill.Meaning WR,DE,DT,RT,RG,MLB and OLB.

I'm guessing u don't think we have a major hole at QB.  QB is the mother of all holes for us its been that way since Kelly. As long as mangament keeps putting other positions ahead of QB we will be a middling organization. 

[Royale with Cheese]

I feel like this thread will be bumped in a few weeks to a few months once Foles is traded.

12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Tyrod has NEVER had anything close to a horrible season.

 

Foles was horrible in 2015 but also a huge disappointment in 2014........he was in Chip Kelly's doghouse before he got hurt.   59% completion 13 TD's and 10 INT.    The career putrid Mark Sanchez filled in for him for half of the season and played better than Foles.    Let's not pretend that 2015 was the only bad look.

 

He's most comfortable in the simple RPO offense but he can run hot and cold even then.

 

  

 

Tyrod was horrible this year.

5 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Taylor never had anything close to a great season either that's what game managers are. If u think being 30th every yr at passing isn't bad then i guess we just see the position in a different way.  I want my QB to throw for yds not run for them. 

 

Just remember Baldo believes the only reason Taylor wasn’t drafted in the first round was because of race.  He defends Taylor no matter how bad of an argument it is.