In-Depth Breakdown of Lamar Jackson by Eliot Crist

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Just because folks like to be lazy doesn't make the comparisons any more true either.

 

Go watch video of Jackson.

He's not a "one read and run" QB.

If you think that's an he is you're completely off the mark.

Saying tyrod is better? On what basis?

I stated that Taylor wasn't 1/3 the QB Jackson is coming out. 

That's a flat out fact.

Lamar Jackson is significantly better than tyrod Taylor was coming out of college.

 

It's also lazy to call Mayfield another manziel.

They are undersized QBs from Texas.

That's about it.

Mayfield has better pocket presence.

Johnny was a loudmouthed, arrogant prick in all walks of life.

He was a drunk, a party animal, taunting the press and the public with social media photos of him throwing around $$, all sorts of idiotic immature stuff.

Baker is a cocky guy who had one, I repeat, ONE incident with the law, which he seems to have sincerely felt remorse for.

He took responsibility for it.

Johnny football still has yet to do that for anything.

It's all everybody else's fault with manziel.

I don't see that with Mayfield.

It's lazy to compare the two as being "exactly the same"

 

mic drop

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, aristocrat said:

 

mic drop

 

?boom

Edited February 10, 2018 by SouthNYfan

[Max Fischer]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

And learn how to read defenses and go through his progressions.  Jackson is a massive project.

 

I'm honestly shocked, after having Tyrod for 3 seasons, that Bills fans want another supreme athlete trying to play QB.

 

Have we learned nothing?

 

Comparisons are lazy, good coaches/scouts see each player as unique in their raw talent, experience, production, team, scheduled, personality, ability to improve, etc etc. That’s why evaluations are detailed and complex, and rarely, if ever, broadly categorized into comparisons (which they leave to poor sports commentators). 

 

For example, I learned a aboit Jackson here: http://www.cover1.net/scouting-report-qb-lamar-jackson-louisville/ 

 

Many players have talent and every single one of them has deep flaws, the question is does the player and coaches have the ability to develop talent and overcome flaws and place the player in a position to succeed.  

 

Personally, I think Jackson has as good a chance of becoming a super star as any QB this year, but like every prospect, many factors have to fall in place, that’s why it’s so tricky to trade up when there is no sure thing. For all we know, Jackson could revolutionize the game and Darnold et al will merely become trivia answers (How many teams passed over Lamar Jackson?)

[JM57]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

It's not lazy.  Just like comparing Mayfield and Manziel isn't lazy.  There ARE parallels.  Glaring parallels!  In fact, I'll go ahead and state that Tyrod is better than Jackson. 

 

A guy who has a 53% completion percentage 5 TDs and 7 ints vs teams like Clemson, Wake, NC State and Miss. St. is going to struggle mightily vs NFL caliber defenses.  There's a stat in here that his completions percentage on routine slants is below 55%.

 

Jackson doesn't go through his progressions and he has trouble reading defenses because up until a year ago, he never really had to. His immense talent was good enough.  Lamar Jackson is a 1-read and run QB.  He shines against inferior teams.  His talent allows him to do that, but when sheer talent doesn't get it done, he struggles.

 

Baker Mayfield is a 6' QB with maturity issues.  Who does that sound like?

 

Just because folks don't like the comparisons, it doesn't make them any less true.

Found someone that didn't read the cover1 breakdown

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, JM57 said:

Found someone that didn't read the cover1 breakdown

 

Ironically, he prob could have read it in less time than it took him to write that post

[Rad Likes The Bills]

I want Jackson so bad, I know he would do so well in Buffalo. Our running game would remain top tier, our passing game would take a huge step forward and we would have a generational talent on our team at QB for the first time since Kelly. I say swing for the home run, because his floor is a double. 

[Big C]

I really like Jackson as a prospect. These breakdowns from Crist and Cover 1 make him look exceptional. I do agree with GunnerBill that he needs to add a little weight though. Hope his stock does not soar over the next few months so we have a chance to snag him in the 20s. If we are drafting a QB, I'd rather get a stud DT and Jackson than trade both to go up and get Darnold or Rosen - who may cost more than just the two firsts anyway. 

[Coach Tuesday]

He should go to Baltimore and sit behind Flacco for a year or two.  Ideal spot for him.

[offyourocker]

On 2/1/2018 at 2:07 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Here's the accompanying  write up.

 

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/1/25/16931282/getting-to-know-the-2018-qb-class-lamar-jackson

 

If football fans could concoct a recipe with all of the things they demand in a franchise signal caller, they would call out the usual tropes.

 

“Big arm”.

 

“Accurate”.

 

“Throws with anticipation”.

 

“Understands defensive concepts.”..........“Pocket Presence.” .......“From Northeast Ohio and owns a dozen old Bernie Kosar jerseys”

They don’t know it, but they’re describing Lamar Jackson, the standout former Heisman trophy winner who absolutely obliterated and terrorized college defenses for the last two years.

 

…..except for the Bernie Kosar jersey thing. On the rest, hear me out.

 

The Summary:

To understand Lamar Jackson, and the type of player he is, NFL fans need to forget the cliches. The myth of durability in running quarterbacks is a thing of the past, as they’ve determined (WITH SCIENCE) that guys get injured just as frequently from the pocket as they do on the run. The “dual threat” language quarterbacks are pinned with, that is a backhanded way of saying, “Can’t be trusted executing a passing offense,” was obliterated by Deshaun Watson as he thrashed the adage and 2017 NFL defenses. “Skinny knees, won’t survive an AFCN winter” is an epithet on the tombstones of enormous, physically gifted, prototypical Browns QBs of the past as well as the small ones. Understand that Lamar Jackson defies the cliches, and is twice the passer casual NFL fans think he is.

 

Also, understand that Jackson will face the exact same litany of questions that Deshaun faced about his game, and is a better prospect in every respect.

 

I would be extatic if we got him at our draft spot of even when up to 15 or so to get him and gave away a second round pic ( not sure that is cost). 

[Chicken Boo]

My only wish is that I could bump this thread in about 2 years.

 

According to this board, Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, Jackson and Allen are all going to be Hall of Famers.

 

Ok.

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, JM57 said:

Found someone that didn't read the cover1 breakdown

 

I read it.  So?  Petrino made an attempt to break him of his 1 read and go instincts.  Fact remains, when the bullets start flying he will revert back to what he knows.

 

I remember people telling me how Tebow worked tirelessly on improving his mechanics and how electric Manziel was and how he just had "it".

 

Same **** different day.

 

Lamar Jackson is going to struggle from the pocket in the NFL.  There's no way around it.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I read it.  So?  Petrino made an attempt to break him of his 1 read and go instincts.  Fact remains, when the bullets start flying he will revert back to what he knows.

 

I remember people telling me how Tebow worked tirelessly on improving his mechanics and how electric Manziel was and how he just had "it".

 

Same **** different day.

 

Lamar Jackson is going to struggle from the pocket in the NFL.  There's no way around it.

 

Just say no to QBs who default to their legs. No thanks.

 

[Max Fischer]

5 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

Just say no to QBs who default to their legs. No thanks.

 

The evidence suggests otherwise but please proceed with the crusade. 

[Solomon Grundy]

6 hours ago, Big C said:

I really like Jackson as a prospect. These breakdowns from Crist and Cover 1 make him look exceptional. I do agree with GunnerBill that he needs to add a little weight though. Hope his stock does not soar over the next few months so we have a chance to snag him in the 20s. If we are drafting a QB, I'd rather get a stud DT and Jackson than trade both to go up and get Darnold or Rosen - who may cost more than just the two firsts anyway. 

His stature is comparable to Rosen, Deshaun Watson. I go back to when Philip Rivers was drafted. I was hoping that the Bills got him, but his stock kept rising. Hopefully teams have Bill Polian's voice in their heads

[Floydboy12]

My ultimate draft would be for Jackson to drop to us and the edge rusher from UTSA. Maybe get Sony Michele in the second. 

[JM57]

17 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I read it.  So?  Petrino made an attempt to break him of his 1 read and go instincts.  Fact remains, when the bullets start flying he will revert back to what he knows.

 

I remember people telling me how Tebow worked tirelessly on improving his mechanics and how electric Manziel was and how he just had "it".

 

Same **** different day.

 

Lamar Jackson is going to struggle from the pocket in the NFL.  There's no way around it.

If you read it and that's all you came away with, I might suggest you only read it with enough depth to confirm your thoughts you had going in. There are plenty of examples in that breakdown of him not being a one read and run QB, but you will see what you want to see. 

 

Yes, he performed noticeably worse against loaded teams like Florida State and Clemson. But yes, Louisville on a whole team level was completely outclassed by those teams. I would confidently say that Jackson is the only skill player from Louisville that would start, or even have a chance to start, for those teams

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, JM57 said:

If you read it and that's all you came away with, I might suggest you only read it with enough depth to confirm your thoughts you had going in. There are plenty of examples in that breakdown of him not being a one read and run QB, but you will see what you want to see. 

 

Yes, he performed noticeably worse against loaded teams like Florida State and Clemson. But yes, Louisville on a whole team level was completely outclassed by those teams. I would confidently say that Jackson is the only skill player from Louisville that would start, or even have a chance to start, for those teams

 

And just what kind of talent will Jackson face in the nfl? 

 

No. Thank. You.

[JM57]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

 

And just what kind of talent will Jackson face in the nfl? 

 

No. Thank. You.

You missed the point. Unless of course you think that when he is an NFL QB he will be playing with practice squad players against starters. Because that's essentially what he was doing at Louisville against your premier teams. Not a single offensive player from Louisville drafted in 2016 or 2017. 3 players into those years, total.

Edited February 11, 2018 by JM57

[xRUSHx]

I want the Bills to get a true pocket QB. After all these years of the Tyrod I am sick of the run first mentality. This article does nothing to change my mind on him. No thank you on yet another QB to scream at the TV to throw the dam ball. The NFL will make him be a QB (ala Tyrod) so IMO that running will be taken away so IMO he will have to sit a few years to learn how to be a QB first, maybe in a few seasons of development to be a QB first he will will become something but who wants to wait that long. 

Edited February 11, 2018 by xRUSHx

[billsredneck1]

Seems to me to be too much of a whaley kind of pick for me...i want a break from the tyrod style. would be nice to see

nfl caliber qb play on this team for once. one more win last year and we walk into the playoffs. score more than 10 points in 4 qtrs and we advance in the playoffs. if jackson fell to us in the 2nd then maybe...

[Solomon Grundy]

6 hours ago, xRUSHx said:

I want the Bills to get a true pocket QB. After all these years of the Tyrod I am sick of the run first mentality. This article does nothing to change my mind on him. No thank you on yet another QB to scream at the TV to throw the dam ball. The NFL will make him be a QB (ala Tyrod) so IMO that running will be taken away so IMO he will have to sit a few years to learn how to be a QB first, maybe in a few seasons of development to be a QB first he will will become something but who wants to wait that long. 

He's not a RUN first QB!! I suggest you watch/read the Crist/Cover1 post again. 

[xRUSHx]

37 minutes ago, the skycap said:

He's not a RUN first QB!! I suggest you watch/read the Crist/Cover1 post again. 

I do not care what he wrote in his opinion of him he is IMO a run first QB, I know this because I have watched him play. This season he has worked on not running as much and to his credit has done better this season as a pocket QB but when the heat comes back on he will revert right back to running like the year before IMO.

 Jackson will not last in the NFL, he will get creamed running around in the NFL like he does in college IMO. IMO he will be on IR by the end of every season he is a starter.

 

 Bill Polian appeared on ESPN LA this week with Keyshawn Johnson, Jorge Sedano, and LZ Granderson. The conversation turned to college quarterbacks and who among the college quarterbacks would be best in the pros. 

 

“I don’t think that Lamar, the Louisville kid’s in that discussion".

 

“No, I’m not kidding you. And that has to do with girth and skill set as well.”

 

“You hurting me, Bill,” Keyshawn Johnson then added, “because I think he’s a NFL quarterback.”

 

“I’m not saying he isn’t, I just don’t think he’s in the class of the other three,” Polian said in response.

Edited February 11, 2018 by xRUSHx

[Max Fischer]

Perhaps if Jackson didn’t look like TT some would have an open mind.  May as well say Darnold will fail because he looks like Danny Wuerffel. 

Edited February 11, 2018 by Max Fischer

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, xRUSHx said:

I do not care what he wrote in his opinion of him he is IMO a run first QB, I know this because I have watched him play. This season he has worked on not running as much and to his credit has done better this season as a pocket QB but when the heat comes back on he will revert right back to running like the year before IMO.

 Jackson will not last in the NFL, he will get creamed running around in the NFL like he does in college IMO. IMO he will be on IR by the end of every season he is a starter.

 

 Bill Polian appeared on ESPN LA this week with Keyshawn Johnson, Jorge Sedano, and LZ Granderson. The conversation turned to college quarterbacks and who among the college quarterbacks would be best in the pros. 

 

“I don’t think that Lamar, the Louisville kid’s in that discussion".

 

“No, I’m not kidding you. And that has to do with girth and skill set as well.”

 

“You hurting me, Bill,” Keyshawn Johnson then added, “because I think he’s a NFL quarterback.”

 

“I’m not saying he isn’t, I just don’t think he’s in the class of the other three,” Polian said in response.

His girth and skill set in comparable to Deshaun Watson. I believe Polian made that comment with those guys earlier in the year. Polian has had plenty of misses when evaluating QBs.

[BillsFan692]

Someone remind me who deshawn Watson is and what he has won in the NFL.

 

Everyone talks like he has made it, or something. 

[Ol Dirty B]

On 2/1/2018 at 2:49 PM, Spiderweb said:

OMG... Avoid this possibility at all costs. After watching him the past two years ( I live in the Louisville area) we would be making yet another big mistake. He'll bring some running ability but he's slower than Taylor. Has a published college time of 4.78. He's not like Taylor in one area though, he has no problem turning the ball over. Tebow / Andre Ware II.

 

You comparing him to Tim Tebow has made anything you have to say, null, and void

 

Lamar Jackson and TIm Tebow? What the !@#$, you don't know what you are watching

12 hours ago, xRUSHx said:

I do not care what he wrote in his opinion of him he is IMO a run first QB, I know this because I have watched him play. This season he has worked on not running as much and to his credit has done better this season as a pocket QB but when the heat comes back on he will revert right back to running like the year before IMO.

 Jackson will not last in the NFL, he will get creamed running around in the NFL like he does in college IMO. IMO he will be on IR by the end of every season he is a starter.

 

 Bill Polian appeared on ESPN LA this week with Keyshawn Johnson, Jorge Sedano, and LZ Granderson. The conversation turned to college quarterbacks and who among the college quarterbacks would be best in the pros. 

 

“I don’t think that Lamar, the Louisville kid’s in that discussion".

 

“No, I’m not kidding you. And that has to do with girth and skill set as well.”

 

“You hurting me, Bill,” Keyshawn Johnson then added, “because I think he’s a NFL quarterback.”

 

“I’m not saying he isn’t, I just don’t think he’s in the class of the other three,” Polian said in response.

 

You do realize that everyone in that conversation you just quoted is a !@#$ing moron right? Who cares what any of them said

 

I know Polian has achieved Sainthood among Bills fans, but that guy is worthless now when it comes to evaluating talent. That dude is better off giving me his review of the latest roll of toilet paper charmin has dropped rather than Lamar Jackson's talent.

 

Polian is in Phil Jackson territory... except less successful. 

Edited February 12, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Thurman#1]

https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2017/07/18/rsp-boiler-room-no-101-qb-lamar-jackson-louisville-drops-and-accuracy/

 

Waldman's breakdowns are generally pretty terrific.

 

Points out areas that need improvement. He seems to be more positive about Jackson than he is about Allen, for instance, at least on this breakdown (he has several and often compares the two). Sees a real likelihood of development in his game, which is a real positive.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[John from Riverside]

On 2/11/2018 at 1:44 PM, Max Fischer said:

Perhaps if Jackson didn’t look like TT some would have an open mind.  May as well say Darnold will fail because he looks like Danny Wuerffel. 

This

 

Its insane....the hate train for TT is a real thing

[baskingridgebillsfan]

On ‎2‎/‎1‎/‎2018 at 1:07 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Here's the accompanying  write up.

 

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/1/25/16931282/getting-to-know-the-2018-qb-class-lamar-jackson

 

If football fans could concoct a recipe with all of the things they demand in a franchise signal caller, they would call out the usual tropes.

 

“Big arm”.

 

“Accurate”.

 

“Throws with anticipation”.

 

“Understands defensive concepts.”..........“Pocket Presence.” .......“From Northeast Ohio and owns a dozen old Bernie Kosar jerseys”

They don’t know it, but they’re describing Lamar Jackson, the standout former Heisman trophy winner who absolutely obliterated and terrorized college defenses for the last two years.

 

…..except for the Bernie Kosar jersey thing. On the rest, hear me out.

 

The Summary:

To understand Lamar Jackson, and the type of player he is, NFL fans need to forget the cliches. The myth of durability in running quarterbacks is a thing of the past, as they’ve determined (WITH SCIENCE) that guys get injured just as frequently from the pocket as they do on the run. The “dual threat” language quarterbacks are pinned with, that is a backhanded way of saying, “Can’t be trusted executing a passing offense,” was obliterated by Deshaun Watson as he thrashed the adage and 2017 NFL defenses. “Skinny knees, won’t survive an AFCN winter” is an epithet on the tombstones of enormous, physically gifted, prototypical Browns QBs of the past as well as the small ones. Understand that Lamar Jackson defies the cliches, and is twice the passer casual NFL fans think he is.

 

Also, understand that Jackson will face the exact same litany of questions that Deshaun faced about his game, and is a better prospect in every respect.

If this is true then he will go a lot higher than he is currently projected.  Teams are stupid , they all see the same things.  

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Dopey]

On 2/2/2018 at 5:33 PM, #34fan said:

 

I never said he was perfect... He's an acquired taste... If he's that bad of a human being why did LOU take him back?

Never said you said he was perfect. Why did LOU take him back? Probably the same reason they kept Pitino (IMO another P.O.S) as basketball coach until it became too much of an embarrassment to excuse, even with a ton of wins. 

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20835496/louisville-coach-rick-pitino-find-way-trouble

 

Those Cardinals must be very proud of themselves.

 

 

Edited February 16, 2018 by Dopey

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[#34fan]

5 hours ago, Dopey said:

Never said you said he was perfect. Why did LOU take him back? Probably the same reason they kept Pitino (IMO another P.O.S) as basketball coach until it became too much of an embarrassment to excuse, even with a ton of wins. 

 

 

 

 

Short answer: -Because they were both very effective as college coaches... 

Edited February 17, 2018 by #34fan

[Solomon Grundy]

20 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The combine is gonna catapult his draft status. I believe the Bills want to get in front of Arizona.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[transplantbillsfan]

Get me Darnold then Mayfield then Jackson then Rudolph in the 1st.

 

I will be happy with any of them, at this moment.

[Solomon Grundy]

49 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Oh really...... Some on here don't think Lamar can run a NFL offense!! Maybe not "smart" enough. Have you ever hear him speak?? All the dog whistles.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Solomon Grundy]

DROP THE MIC

 

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/20/16928908/lamar-jackson-quarterback-wide-receiver